If a guy is sober and gets a girl drunk in order to have sex with her, is that rape? And the girl doesn't say yes or no because she's too drunk to give or not give consent
And let's say it's her first time and she doesn't really do anything just lays there and he has sex with her
she's too drunk to give or not give consent
If your main criteria for whether you'll have sex with a drunk girl is, will I be convicted of rape by a jury, you might want to raise the bar higher.
shareWhat if the girl is not old enough to drink and the guy is? And he's the one buying her drinks with the intetion of using her for sex. Plus the girl definitely being too drunk to think straight. Thanks for the answer btw!
shareIt's a crime to buy a minor alcohol. But it's also sometimes a crime to drink alcohol depending on the circumstances if you're a minor and you do so of your own accord. So they could both be facing criminal charges for that.
I still don't think it would be rape though, but it would definitely look a lot worse for him if she was under 21 and he knew that and continued to give her drinks regardless of that knowledge. I'd say it's definitely not rape, unless she was so incapacitated that she was literally unable to move, and therefore unable to say no.
What if the girl is not old enough to drink and the guy is? And he's the one buying her drinks with the intetion of using her for sex.
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What is the guy is not old enough to drink and the girl is? And he's the one buying her drinks with the intention of using him for sex.
Yes, it is always a biased and one way street with females and they are always play the victim and the male is always at fault. She wants just the same thing from him, as he does from her, but of course we can't ever taint a female as having a deviant or questionable sexual thought.
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If it's two people who are both drunk and they have sex then I think that's fine but a sober man purposely getting a girl drunk so that she is not aware enough to consent to sex before he starts having sex with her, should be considered an act of rape, yes. Even if she chose to drink that can lead to her being too inebriated to decide to have sex.
shareThe problem with this is that rape is defined as forced sex. If someone is merely drunk and not making good decisions that isn't being forced. Yes this scenario sounds unethical but that isn't enough to make something rape. This reminds me of women who want to claim rape because a man lied to them about what he does for a living or how much money he makes. That isn't what rape is.
shareNot being conscious enough to consent is nonconsensual sex which is rape. If you don't consider having sex with someone who hasn't agreed to have sex as rape then we're done here.
shareNot being conscious enough to consent is nonconsensual sex which is rape.
He literally said the girl in the scenario is too drunk to consent to sex before the guy starts having sex with her.
shareThe OP never mentioned unconsciousness. There's no such thing as being too drunk to consent. We're not talking about being unconscious.
sharethe girl doesn't say yes or no because she's too drunk to give or not give consentJesus Christ man. What the hell do you think he meant? Did you just ignore that part and pretend it was talking about just drunk sex? The girl is so drunk that she is incapable of indicating in any way that she does or does not want to have sex and then the guy starts having sex with her. That's rape to most people but I'm glad you think that's totally cool, keep doing whatever you do on your dates.
I'm done responding to you.
I'm not defending rapists. But this is a slippery slope talking about having sex with girls who are drunk being rape. I definitely said it is unethical, but that doesn't mean it's rape.
I think I stated my position pretty clearly. I'm not defending having sex with someone who is literally unconscious.
You're a f<>king female tw@t aren't you, with a male username, because you are jealous and wish you were one. Are you a big, fat, ugly, butch bull dyke?
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If you don't consider having sex with someone who hasn't agreed to have sex as rape then we're done here.
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Just listen to the self-righteous, self-entitled, self-important, I have spoken and am holier than thou, and this is the way it is. Rape has to be proven dolt—it's not rape just because you say so—and how many scheming and manipulating female liars are there out there?
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You are genuinely a $hitty person. People like you are the reason these boards are being shut down and now I'm starting to realize that maybe it's for the best. Try not to rape anybody you piece of $hit.
shareOh, because I call you out on your self-absorbed, hostile and embittered attitude towards men, that makes me s<>tty, yet you have no idea of how crappy you come across as and how sick your rape fantasies are. Does anyone even like you?
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Honestly, everyone needs to ignore this woman-hating troll----I remember it from a board where it would constantly trash women, call them weak, and never had ONE good thing to say about them---it was on the board for the movie SUFFRAGETTE. So don't engage with this stupid, ignorant troll, just tell it to screw off and ignore it,quickly.
sharerape is defined as forced sex
if the guy gets her drunk so bad she becomes unconscious then yes it is.
shareThat's not what they're talking about. They're discussing someone being too drunk to make good decisions. Like a girl getting too wasted to even stand up getting into bed with a guy and making out with him leading to sex. All seemingly consensual except for the fact that her judgment was too impaired to make good choices.
shareYES
shareFor all your "is it rape" questions, watch the amy schumer football town nights video.
shareYes, of course, are we being punked?
shareYes, it is rape, because this is how some guys prey on girls, get them drunk, so that they aren't in a position to fight back or even remember being raped. And that's part of the reason some guys get away with it because since she was drunk (or drugged, in some cases) at the time, a woman won't always be able to recall what really happened to her.
shareAnother thing kind of worth asking is, given the popularity of rape and revenge genres including of this series...
Even if in the OP in the LEGAL sense it is, and to an extent possibly so it is in a MORAL one, should the guilty perpetrator, were they to either get away with it or get light sentence or released on a technicality, be either killed for it or brutally tortured, like in I Spit on Your Grave type of movies?
And if he does say serve 3 or so years in prison but then released, are we to monitor him via Sex Offender Registries or just let him go, what if he genuinely confesses and doesn't do it again? And if he re-offends, what do we do to him?
And if yes OR no, then would that kind of rape, assuming it may differ to the particularly violent and brutal ones we've all seen too well (that also cause a great deal of physical damage if not result in outright murder of the victim, yes sometimes these things do happen this way, horrible as it is), be a legal or a moral matter, and would the victim of it be hurt as badly (well probably yes)?
Let's say for argument's sake the law DOES allow vengeance on guilty sexual offender perpetrators, would that make the world a better place?