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"The Beast" is just ridiculous


I can't say that the movie was bad, but it wasn't good either. What bumps it up so high in the lists is probably James McAvoy's acting. I'll say that it went good at first, with the different personalities still being a mystery and all that. But when we reached the point of "The Beast", it all went downhill. Why need to add fantasy stuff in a movie that is supposed to be realistic and creepy? It's like it has been taken from a 10 year old kid's drawing because he's the son of the director's best friend or something. It made me laugh everytime they said that "the beast is coming". It's just plain stupid, I feel that they should have made the 25th personality some really creepy, torturer guy that went to jail in the past or something (see Total Drama: Revenge of the Island's Mal ).

Even so, I'm not sure if all the "beast" stuff is worse than the "plot twist" at the end that made sense for 15% of the audience, excluding me or my friends that saw the movie.

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No. The beast would have been ridiculous if he was covered in fur with long claws like the drawing. It was a shirtless homicidal james mcavoy. Nothing over the top except for maybe some wall climbing


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Well... Some wall climbing and some shotgun blasts to the chest.

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Well... Some wall climbing and some shotgun blasts to the chest.


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Come on guys, you should know what you are looking at. This movie belongs to the same universe as Unbreakable (spoilers!!!!!!!: the main guy has superpowers). This is another guy with superpowers born from their own will. If this is absurd for you don't watch the sequel as it is supposed to bring both movies together. If you are aware of this I think it's a wonderful movie.

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Why need to add fantasy stuff in a movie that is supposed to be realistic and creepy?


1. Who decides whether a movie is supposed to be realistic or not?
2. What does realism have to do with creepiness?

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Why need to add fantasy stuff in a movie that is supposed to be realistic and creepy?

1. Who decides whether a movie is supposed to be realistic or not?
2. What does realism have to do with creepiness?


1. I think he is just stating his opinion and I agree. The wall climbing made it a little silly. I still enjoyed it though.
2. Because almost the entire movie was about his multiple personalities and the doctor explaining how real they actually can be. Then it spins off into Superhero Villain land. Which is fine but it was like 2 separate movies or 3 if you add in the twist.

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So the connection to Unbreakable, a story about a man who survives a horrific train crash without a scratch and is the sole survivor and has superhuman strength is realistic?

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I saw Unbreakable once a few years ago, so i didn't really make the connection in this film.

I couldn't enjoy the climax because it built up so slow, and when i saw promo posters and teasers i convinced myself the "beast" personality would be a werewolf(monster movies excite me).

I enjoyed the lead performances, but it did go downhill and felt unfulfilled to me also

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no way! it can happen. it happened to a friend of mine.

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It's alright with me about the Beast as the 25th character but what I didn't like is how it turns to a superpower movie at the end by climbing the walls, jumping on the train like a ninja, running like an animal and finally he didn't die from the gun shots! it was good movie by the way but the ending it was a little disappointing.
Sorry for my Bad English / English is not my tongue language :)

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I guess I can understand You not liking this movie if you honestly went into thinking it was going to be "Realistic"

But for me and I think everyone else who saw the trailers, it was perfectly clear "The Beast" was probably going to be Supernatural...

This movie exists in The Unbreakable Universe where Superheroes and Super Powers exist...

Hell the movie even works if it had nothing to do with Unbreakable, again Based on the Trailers, no one knew it had anything to do with Unbreakable, based on the trailers, this movie was A Split Personality Thriller that looked to have some kind of supernatural elements.

thats how the movie was sold and marketed....and it works...

I think you went into this movie with the wrong expectations, If you were expecting A "Realistic movie about Split personalities, then I guess I can see why your disappointed, But Most everyone else Based on the Trailers, and especially based on M. Night Shyamalan Previous movies, expected something completely different...

and Audiences got exacty that.

but then they got more...With the ending...

not only did the movie make sense as a stand alone, But It also makes even more sense with it set in the Unbreakable Universe.

You saying The Beast is ridiculous, is only true if You completely misinterpreted the trailers.

Nothing about The Beast is ridiculous if You understand The Universe and if went into the movie with the right expectations.

basically If Split was marketed completely differently Without A Hint of "The Beast", With no Hint at all Of Supernatural in The Trailers, If The Movie did Not take place In The Unbreakable Universe, Then Yes you'd have A Point, The Beast is ridiculous ...


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That's like saying "The movie would make sense if you read the book". I understand what you're saying regarding expectations, but a film soundn't require supplementary materials for the audience to orientate themselves in it's universe. Everything should be set up in the film itself, and I shouldn't need to turn to the trailer, or another movie, to explain what's happening. All they did in terms of a set up was to have the personalities say "The Beast is coming". I didn't see any hints that there are going to be supernatural elements in Split untill The Beast showed up and started walking on walls and all that. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see it being marketed as being a part of the Unbreakable universe.

Basically, the supernatural/superhero elements should have been introduced in the movie earlier, if we were supposed to be seeing it as a stand alone. Or it should have been marketed as a part of the Unbreakable universe, so that people didn't get confused, or go in with the wrong expectations.

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I understand what you're saying regarding expectations, but a film soundn't require supplementary materials for the audience to orientate themselves in it's universe.
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It doesn't, the film 100% works as a stand alone, If The end shot featuring Willis wasn't there, They film still completely work as a supernatural Thriller

The film ends With The screen black and The Title "SPIlt"....that absolutely could have been the end of the film and The film works perfectly, You dont Need The After credit scene to make the movie work, It was added by choice not by Necessity.

Everything should be set up in the film itself, and I shouldn't need to turn to the trailer, or another movie, to explain what's happening.

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Again you dont. The Film works on its own as a Supernatural Thriller, If you dont understand what happened in the Movie thats on You, The movie was simply, It works both as a stand alone and as a part of a bigger universe.

You dont Have or Need to watch Unbreakable, You can completely understand and enjoy the movie as a stand alone, You can completely leave the theater having just watched A "Supernatural thriller about Split Personalities...

If you really enjoyed it, Then Thats when it gets even better, If you loved the movie, Then thats when The Post credit Scene Adds even more to the movie by connecting it to Unbreakable

Its your choice, You can completely view the movie as a simply stand alone movie, The story 100% makes sense as A supernatural thriller...

If you've Seen Unbreakable, You can then view the movie in a different light

either way the film works

All they did in terms of a set up was to have the personalities say "The Beast is coming". I didn't see any hints that there are going to be supernatural elements in Split untill The Beast showed up and started walking on walls and all that.

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In The trailer They are Painfully clear that the film is going to be Supernatural and The Beast itself is going to be Supernatural...

in The Trailers We literally see Snippets of McAvoys Body Transforming in A clearly unnatural way, We hear His Bones Cracking and Popping which indicates his body is transforming...We get A Snippet shot Of McAvoy in The Hallaway Climbing On top Of The Ceiling in a way that clearly looks superhuman or completely Unhuman.

I literally do not see how anyone could watch the trailers for this movie and come in with expectation that The Beast Isn't going to be Supernatural.

again I think This is more of a YOU problem than anything else....You clearly Misunderstand The Trailers for this movie.

You went in expecting something that clearly wasn't sold or marketed, This movie was Marketed Perfectly, The Hints of Supernatural wereThere, You just missed them and as a result went into the movie with the wrong expectations

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see it being marketed as being a part of the Unbreakable universe.

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Your right, there was zero marketing suggesting it had anything to do with Unbreakable....and the reason why was because It didn't need to be...

The Film can Stand on Its Own...You dont need to see Unbreakable to enjoy and Understand this movie.

Basically, the supernatural/superhero elements should have been introduced in the movie earlier, if we were supposed to be seeing it as a stand alone

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Ok now I'm questioning if you actually even seen the movie?

either you haven't seen the movie or you just didn't pay attention.

The Supernatural Element was introduced very early(I think In the first 15 Mins) and was repeatedly talked about and mentioned as A Subplot.

That was the Purpose of The Doctor's role...after Kevin's first meeting with the Doctor(again In The first 15 mins, right after he kidnaps the 3 girls) Kevin Leaves, The Doctor goes over to her neighbors and is watching TV and Then first Mentions That "Maybe People With Split personalities are The Ultimate human form or something like that, she mentions that maybe they have been able to tap in to The Brains Full Potential, and for the rest of the movie she repeats it even giving a Lecture, talking about how powerful Split personalities could be and how there could be no limits.

I'm sorry but you missed all these Hints+Clues, Literally her entire character and Ark was her introducing and Explaining The Supernatural elements of Kevin So Later on in the movie "The Beast" being Supernatural didn't just come out of nowhere.

lol somehow You entirely missed A Huge Subplot in the movie, You missed An Entire character setting up The Supernatural elements so when The Beast does turn out Supernatural, It actually makes sense and was sets up instead of just coming out of nowhere

if we were supposed to be seeing it as a stand alone. Or it should have been marketed as a part of the Unbreakable universe, so that people didn't get confused, or go in with the wrong expectations.

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again this is a YOU Problem....Most everyone else went in with the correct expecations

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In The trailer They are Painfully clear that the film is going to be Supernatural and The Beast itself is going to be Supernatural...


I did not watch the trailer. So to reiterate my original point, a viewer should not have to have seen the trailer to know they are watching a Supernatural triller, as they are watching it.

Yes, maybe I missed the supernatural-ness in the Doctor's hints. But she could've been talking about more real world effects of his condition. There are theories about how the mind could affect the physical body, without there being anything supernatural connected to that.

It needed to show that this was a universe in which the supernatural is real more explicitly. Like The Sixth Sense did. They set up that ghosts were real in that universe, so the twist made sense. As it was, Split was a movie about a bunch of girls that were taken prisoner by a very sick man, that somehow turned into a literal monster in the end. Again, that is as you are watching it, without seeing the trailer. After that I don't think there are many people who would have a problem figuring out what happened.

But, yeah, it's my problem that I didn't realise there's going to be a twist in a Shyamalan movie. But forgive me if I think that got old 15 years ago.

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Ignore that freakin guy. He really is an idiot stuck in his own little world. "The trailer! The trailer!" Stfu already.

This guy is retroactively psychic didnt you kow?

This movie sucked and so does the director

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I completely agree It was set up as a psychotic (or mentally disturbed/DID) patient kidnapping girls. Nothing led us to believe it was supposed to be supernatural (or a monster movie), especially all the clinical doctor talk. It's like it tried to be two different movies.

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Shyamalan really wanted to create an origin story for a new villain here to go up against Bruce Willis in Unbreakable 2. His real mistake, I think anyway, is in actually trying to tie the McAvoy character to a real disorder. He was either going to get flack for making light of the disorder, which he does kinda do here, or turning it into some supernatural nonsense, which I too feel is the bigger sin here.

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You keep mentioning that most of the audience knew going in that the beast would be supernatural because of the Preview. Of course Shyamalan movies are always going to give that away even without seeing the trailer. I think MOST of us knew upon, "Shyamalan is making another movie" that it would be supernatural.

I think the issue is that he did such a fantastic job with the multiple personalities being not supernatural that they didn't really need him to be a wall climbing beast to get a great reaction. I really don't see wall climbing and resisting gunshot wounds as screaming supernatural anyway. I guess part 2 will display more of his otherworldly superhero traits.

Either way. I liked it. I did not see the trailer either.

Not sure why Mr Brown is getting annoyed though. People aren't saying they didn't understand the film. They are just discussing their thoughts. It's entertainment. It should be fun not angsty.


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You are an idiot.

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The movie is basically a supervillain origin story. Apparently Shyamalan wrote this villain character at the same time as he wrote Unbreakable, but never could fit him into that movie.

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Actually I think he came up with it as a villain for Unbreakable 2 but then he realize he had a lot there, way too much for the sequel, and so he decided to craft this movie first.

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It's only ridiculous if you don't take into account that the Beast belongs in a universe where there are superhuman people.

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ArmadilloKnight - Agree 100%

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And it was trying to drive home the point that split personality disorder can cause different body chemistry within the individual personalities. The wall climbing was a little crazy but men free hand rock climb and that wall looked concrete and not flat if I remember right. He was certainly very fit and muscular. I loved the way they did it, even if the wall climbing was a little far fetched. But we're dealing with M Knight here.

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