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Stupidest Captives Of All Time


I *really* wanted to love this film. But the entire time, I just could not get past the stupidity of the female characters. There are just SO, SO many ways they could have escaped and were either too dumb to see it or simply chose not to that I just couldn't take anything else seriously.

I mean, it's incredibly obvious that when "Kevin" is "Hedwig", he's shy, scared, and in every emotional way a nine-year-old. And yet these girls think that testing the ceiling for weakness and then ramming through it making the maximum amount of noise to attract attention to make a hole is the way out rather than, I don't know, just saying to Hedwig, "hey, I want to show you something", and then making a run for it, closing the door behind him? It literally would have been that easy.

Or later, when Hedwig is showing off his room and dances. There's a point that he's actually completely on the floor with his feet in the air for God's sake. JUST. RUN. I mean yes, I get that they didn't exactly know the full layout of the house, but good grief, at least TRY!

At another point, one of them hits him in the back with a chair and then, rather than just KEEP HITTING HIM UNTIL HE CAN'T GET UP, they just run away and hope he doesn't recover. I just...::facepalm::

Maybe it's because I've seen so many other movies with strong, intelligent, resourceful captives in better movies lately (10 Cloverfield Lane springs to mind), but these people just seemed so idiotic at every turn that I couldn't feel but so bad for everything they went through as a result.

One more point...at the beginning. "Kevin" knocks out their dad and gets in the driver's seat. Now I get that the girls in the back were goofing off, but honestly...just how long would it really take people in a car to realize that a TOTAL STRANGER just sat down?! And when the main girl looks in the mirror, sees that the groceries are on the ground, and realizes that the man sitting next to her isn't her dad, she just turns her head around SO SLOWLY to look at him that I was like "oh my God, why are you still sitting there"? Even when he chloroforms the other girls, she doesn't even take THAT opportunity (when he's busy with TWO OTHER PEOPLE FIGHTING HIM) to escape, but instead chooses the absolute worst time to try and subtly open her door. And when it sounds that it's open, she just sits there like "you didn't hear that, did you" and gets herself chloroformed as well.

I'm sorry, I just...these people were morons from beginning to end IMHO. And it ruined what should have been a great film. McAvoy, by the way, was ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. But I just can't look beyond these dumb, dumb decisions made throughout by the people we're supposed to be rooting for.

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You haven't seen many movies, have you?

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Eh...yes. Plenty. But arguing that plenty of other movies have stupid people in them doesn't excuse this one having them when there HAVE been movies that feature INTELLIGENT people in situations like this.

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Ignore stupid replies.

I completely see where you are coming from. I actually thought this was a very good and compelling movie but it could have been heightened to much greater levels if the writing didn't reply on the girls (and the Doctor, for that matter) behaving in such idiotic ways. As you pointed out, other movies have demonstrated that characters don't have to be unbelievably stupid for plots like this to work. For me, I found their actions frustrating (and not in a "it's supposed to be frustrating" way) and that frustration distracted me from an otherwise excellent premise and plot.

Like I said above, I really enjoyed this movie. I'm not dissing it. But it's just annoying that it could have been elevated to such a better degree if the writing of the captives hadn't been so lazy.

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I actually thought this was a very good and compelling movie but it could have been heightened to much greater levels if the writing didn't reply on the girls (and the Doctor, for that matter) behaving in such idiotic ways. As you pointed out, other movies have demonstrated that characters don't have to be unbelievably stupid for plots like this to work. For me, I found their actions frustrating (and not in a "it's supposed to be frustrating" way) and that frustration distracted me from an otherwise excellent premise and plot.

I agree with you completely. I was so frustrated at how they behaved, especially Casey - if she had listened to the other two at the beginning, they might have had a chance to escape by all three of them rushing him, same for when they were in the kitchen. If she had helped the Asian girl and joined in on attacking him they could have gotten away. I was hating Casey all through the film basically.

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they all had stockhome syndrome

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they all had stockhome syndrome

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That word doesn't mean what you think it means...

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It's inconceivable!

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You mean they were all not pregnant?

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I could sort of understand why the girls acted how they did. At least it did show the 2 girls actively wanting to fight and Casey pushing back. I think Casey was too scared to try something right away. The most annoying pet to me was that the doctor never said his name when killed at the end. She conveniently left instructions for the girls that she couldn't do herself?! She had so much time to call out Kevin's name!

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I'm not sure if I would cascasll anyone stupid not knowing how strong they are and they could be overpowered by there kidnapper.maybe they should have screamed hoping someone would come to the rescue or hope it weakens the kidnapper to get away

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Dr. Fletcher was drugged. She couldn't speak when the Beast killed her.

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I think you're just sitting in your chair watching a movie and thinking of the best possible things that someone should do in an extremely intense situation. You don't attempt to put yourself in the shoes of the characters at all but more or less are thinking how a hero in a movie would react or someone with training like a cop. Also your "solutions or ideas" for them to escape would've almost certainly landed them in the same positions they ended up in anyways.

In my opinion, the girls acted and behaved exactly how I think highschool girls with privileged lives who've never experienced real trauma would behave. Atleast the two girls. Casey on the other hand is different because of her history, she was likely scared because of the trauma she had experienced and wanted to figure out their situation before they bullrush or run from a psychotic man.

They tried running and as you saw in the movie that several doors are locked. Like the one girl said there was another door outside their own that was locked. There was really no where to run and even if they got past the doors the other doors were locked as well. They attempted to run and actually were smarter than I expected, finding out about the vent and attempting to run, but that worked out terribly. The one stupid thing the girls did was hide in that friggin locker instead of keep running.

As far as Hedwig goes, do you really think that these three young girls would figure out a highly controversial and complicated disorder within hours of being captured by this guy? Upon being captured by some "psychopath" would you really be thinking "Oh obviously this is his childlike state where he has the iq and physical strength of a toddler lets just run away!" I mean even if you did he could turn back to Dennis at any moment. Do you really look at a grown man who has kidnapped you and who is talking like a toddler and think oh this is someone I want to *beep* around with or take advantage of? I highly doubt it. I am not saying don't fight back but there's no fvckin way those girls stood a chance against Dennis and you always run the risk of angering an already psychotic man who could murder you at any second.
When the one girl hit him with the chair your response is to keep hitting him til he cant get up? Do you really expect a typical 16 year old girl to have that kind of aggression and mentality? It was hit him hard, hope it knocks him out and get the hell out of there which really isn't that stupid.

When they were in the car the other two girls didn't notice. But Casey did and her response can be completely justified. Basic human instincts differ from person to person, and when it comes down to it, it's either flight fight or freeze. Casey froze. None of their actions were really that inconceivable when you really think about it.

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That's exactly how I perceived it as well. As if these characters were realistically in this situation, not as if they were able to stand back and assess every move they make as a calm and collected viewer.

I know it's hard to imagine an accurate idea of how you'd act in that situation OPPO, but you wish you were that clear minded as a captive. You'd cry until he ate you.

That being said, I did have an issue with Casey being able to advise the other girl to pee herself so she wouldn't have to strip for the germaphobic Dennis. However once it was revealed that Casey had obviously endured sexual abuse in particular, it seemed justified.

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I agree. However, on the other hand, this is the movie's most pronounced weakness. The writing was quite realistic, but not realistic enough. Somekind of an uncanny valley of scriptwriting.

Movies are poetic. They are not documentaries. It's not important what is really realistic, the only thing that matters is that it should look realistic. More often than not, over-dramatization is preferable.

I would expect faster pace of the kidnapping, because when something wrong happens and you are frozen like what Cassie did, things go really fast relative to the victim. So to make the point that she was frozen, the process of kinapping should be so quick. It's the reverse Quicksilver scenes from X-Men movies. When you move really fast, everything else slows down. When you are frozen, everything else happens really really quick.

And then I expect more crying and panicking. I mean real people maybe calm as them when kidnapped, maybe not, I don't know. But this is a movie, people should be crying, shouting, wailing, etc. Nobody really want to see scenes like this, so make it in succession of quick cuts. End with them sleep of exhaustion then wake up with imperfect hair and soggy eye-scortums.

Another thing I would like to see is Kevin really hurting them. Most movie watchers as with probably most modern people including myself may never experience being hurt physically. So we can't relate to these girls' fear of Kevin. Need to show some hair grabbing and a couple of hard hitting punches to the stomach that end with two of them puking just to make a point. The pissing-on-herself scene can be converged here too.

But the most frustrating one is that how come a 9-yo understands that kissing a girl creates pregnancy??

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Of all the characters I thought that the therapist was probably the worst. Her psychological insights were horribly laughable and really, once she starts suspecting something, it doesn't make sense for her to confront Kevin without any help.

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Yes, the doctor going - alone, without even telling anyone - to a potentially dangerous situation didn't make much sense I suppose you could say she thought she could "reach" her patient but still. And the scene where the girl stopped to watch videos instead of carrying on an escape also seemed a bit much...

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@roncerabona And the scene where the girl stopped to watch videos instead of carrying on an escape also seemed a bit much...
There's a similar scene in Wolf Creek - it's stupid stuff like that which shows how lazy the script is.

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In movie land she's stupid, in real life not so much.

I work in psychological circles and in real life patients like that are rarely dangerous, especially when they have no history of acting out in such a manner.

Her fatal flaw is something which she admitted, which is seeing her patients like family instead of maintaining professional objectivity as she should have done. It's much the same way as when adults don't realize they were abused by their parents or are actively being abused by their spouse. They can see someone else in nearly the exact same situation and think how horrible that must be, but are completely blind to the fact that they were or are in the same situation, because they don't perceive their circumstances as being the same. When you think of someone as family it can massively warp perception of reality as to who and what they are, until it's too late.

And yeah Casey was being stupid due to her own situation at home, where she is convinced that someone in charge can essentially do whatever they want and she's powerless to stop them (she tried once and failed). She accepts that the situation is hopeless regardless of the reality.

And unfortunately society programs females into thinking they should be submissive, particularly in response to aggressive males. So unless they have specific training otherwise (like 6 months of Kenpo) they would naturally be rather scatter brained and submissive in stressful situations.

I can also attest that I'm roughly the same size as James (Kevin) and there is no way in hell those girls could have psychically overcome me, at least not without me taking at least two of them out in the process.

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Yeah, really stupid movie. I also did not watch Unbreakable but have seen a fair share of movies, just not that one so I was like "huh?" at the ending of the movie. Wasted $20. I also had no idea it was an M.Night Shyamalan movie. I am tired of his stupid movies. I agree that the captured girls had so many opportunities that made this film very dumb. It's not a clever movie. It's dumb. If I had known this I'd see something else.

Also, what an extremely idiotic thing to do IMDB. To shut down these boards is probably the most idiotic thing in history. It's OK though because I'll just go to Youtube to read people's opinions. So long for IMDB. It's a gonner.

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dont forget all the passengers on those 911 flights who let some terrorists hold planes full of people hostage with box cutters... box cutters...

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And how do you know those passengers were aware that the plane was over taken and if so, at what point during their flight were they made aware?

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yup except the government already killed those people before they crashed those planes into the towers. jet fuel doesn't burn at a high enough temp to melt steal beems.

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jet fuel doesn't burn at a high enough temp to melt steal beems.


When are you *beep* ing retards going to realize that the fire didn't melt the beams, it just weakened them?

And it's beams, not beems, you idiot.

Here's a graphic demonstration of why you're so stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

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