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This is so beeped up!

posted 8 years ago by mickster29
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First off, using a school shooting to promote your religion is very wrong in my eyes. She wasn't the only person to die, so even if her family is ok with this, several other people died with her. Also, she was never an outcast for being Christian. Most of her classmates said she was very well liked and actually somewhat popular. If my assumption is correct, this movie is going to be about "evil atheists hate and attack the perfect Christians." I guarantee you when the shooters see her, they're going to ask if she believes in jesus, and when age says yes, they're going to shoot her, EVEN THOUGH THIS NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!

[–] FridayOnElmStreet 8 years ago

Fully agreed.

[–] ethandahlke 8 years ago

If you go to the memorial at Columbine High School, you will see that many of those killed were Christians, and on her personal memorial it has the last conversation she had. " When asked if she believed in God she said "You know I do.""

*Gasp!* You Read My Post!

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[–] lettyatuni 8 years ago

Isn't it sad that already lies are being spread?

They made this film to justify more hatred against atheists.

[–] skeltonmike 8 years ago

If you believe these filmmakers want Christians to hate atheists, you're missing the point.

[–] grejones44 7 years ago

I've not seen the movie, but if you think this movie was made to gin up hatred against atheists, you are wrong, chief. Two, troubled, angry, mentally deranged kids killed a bunch of their classmates and they targeted some Christians during this massacre. Those boys killed people. Isn't that a hateful act, in and of itself? No justification for killing innocent people exists.

[–] Korios 7 years ago

No justification for killing innocent people exists.

I completely agree. There is also no justification for exploiting these killings to aggressively promote one's religion - or pampering "good god-fearing people" with shameful "films" like this in order to make money out of them, whatever this film's true intention really is.

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

[–] jswilliams-24974 7 years ago

"That conversation didn't happen". Yet her friend who got shot beside her witnessed it happening. Nice try, though.

[–] wish_return 8 years ago

first of all, this is a movie not a documentary. It happens to be based off of real life events just as other movies based off real events. It does not need to be accurate. Where is the outrage when people make movies based on Civil War, Holocaust, 9/11, and other tragic events?

For example Gone with the Wind: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1kkyoy/how_historically_accurate_is_margaret_mitchells/

lastly, the movie is based off HER diary, it's her story and her perspective. No one is saying she was the ONLY victim. She just happens to be Christian.

[–] lettyatuni 8 years ago

I believe people did make issue about films based on 9/11.

There's less complaint about things like Civil War etc because it happened a long time ago and so feelings are less raw. When films are made so close to a tragedy, it feels exploitative; some have expressed discomfort of the closeness to the actual event, to her diary being used and to any possibility of her opinions being misconstrued.

However, the main reason people don't like it and mention the inaccuracy is because this film, by what we can see, has an agenda and therefore is insensitive.

It looks like it's making out she was a victim because of her religion and the killers did what they did because they were not religious.

I've seen other religious people who understand why this film is insensitive. It obviously is if you have a degree of empathy.

Imagine this:

A terrible tragedy happens one day, a man walks into a supermarket and murders several people, including a family of four, several teenagers, an elderly couple and three kids. A few years later, a film company made by atheists make a film. In their film they focus on one of the victims, an outspoken atheist who believed in love and tolerance. In the film she's beautiful, smart and classy. The murderer is a christian. He asks her if she is religious before he murders her. This did not happen in reality.
Also, previously the same company has made several films in which religious people are portrayed as violent, entitled, stupid and inherently criminal.

How would you feel?

[–] wish_return 8 years ago

so are we censoring free speech then?

they have the right to make what they want (as long as its legal boundaries). Slander and libel are not legal.

if they want to make a movie, let them. I mean we have religulous and SNL skits about Christians, etc.

besides, we haven't actually seen the movie yet so I can't make a firm decision.

[–] whitespirit26 7 years ago

THANK you, Wish. This witch hunt is bogus.

[–] Wax_Paper 7 years ago

If someone up the comment thread implied this film should have been illegal to make, then they're wrong and they don't understand how free speech works.

But I think what the majority of people are saying is that this movie is disgusting and it was made in bad taste. It was a shameless way to promote Christianity, and I believe this kind of proselytizing does more harm than good.

But you're right about free speech; racists, bigots and everyone else should be allowed to create whatever art they please. It's disgusting, but that's their right.

[–] letitiadionne 7 years ago

so are we censoring free speech then?

That's not what was said.

People (religious and atheist) are saying that it's insensitive, close the event and inaccurate. The same complaints happened around the film about 9/11 and the Family Guy joke about New Orleans.

[–] grejones44 7 years ago

The motive for the killings was that they were crazy and filled with hate and recrimination.

If someone made a move in which an atheist, who was a good citizen, kind to his/her neighbors and was killed brutally by someone claiming to be a Christian, I would not be offended in the least. Also, if a production company started churning out accurate movies portraying the same, I wouldn't be offended. It is more offensive regarding how Christians are portrayed in most everyday, average TV shows/movies. Most are portrayed as either uptight prigs, sinister agents of evil, or willing to sell out their faith at the toss of a hat. Rarely are people of faith, at least in today's world portrayed earnestly, but then again, nothing much else is portrayed earnestly. While I also said it is more offensive, I'm not easily offended and I pretty much expect it. So, no big deal.

Also, just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn't mean that they are. Lots of evil has been done by people claiming to be Christians, as well as other religious and non-religious people since the beginning of time. I don't think that is a debatable fact. However, there is a witness confirming that Rachel Scott was murdered because she did claim she believed in God.

Perhaps you are thinking of Cassie Bernall? I believe that there is some question about the exchange between Dylan Klebold and her. https://books.google.com/books?id=JujrCCedbicC&pg=PA117#v=onepage&q&f=false

I don't believe those boys hated Christians or targeted Christians exclusively, but there is evidence to illustrate that they did hate Christians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW-ZdyU1e30 (warning, pretty rough language).

I don't believe they were thoughtful enough to figure out whether they were atheists or agnostic or anything else. They were more attuned to being thoughtful regarding weaponry and committing mass murder. They are poor souls and I pity them.

[–] wrs6565 7 years ago

Eric Harris was a very nihilistic person based on all the evidence we have. While I'm not Dave Cullen and am not quite as fixated on the idea that Dylan Klebold was a good kid led astray by Eric Harris, I will say that Cullen's book provided a lot of evidence that Dylan was *not* an atheist, however he was a depressed, suicidal boy whose belief in God did not stop him from committing murders.

[–] silentone00 7 years ago

I wish they made a movie about the 2 kids that shot all those teenagers. It'll be a bigger hit.

[–] kickingasses 7 years ago

of course you are right. but the movie will never be made, BECAUSE? it is politically incorrect just like 9/11 and other terrorism movies. Christian film makers should stop making these bible films mainstream, because lets face it, no one other than their flock will watch it.