He lied about Norway, what else did he lie about?

I en forvaringsdom skal retten fastsette en tidsramme som vanligvis ikke bør overstige 15 år, og ikke kan overstige 21 år. Etter begjæring fra påtalemyndigheten kan retten likevel ved dom forlenge den fastsatte rammen med inntil 5 år av gangen. Sak om forlengelse reises ved tingretten senest tre måneder før forvaringstidens utløp. Det bør også fastsettes en minstetid for forvaringen som ikke må overstige 10 år. Forvaring er i dag det eneste virkemidlet det norske rettsvesenet har til disposisjon for å idømme lovbrytere en reell livstidsdom, da det ikke er noen øvre grense for en slik doms varighet.

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Breivik was sentenced to a maximum of 21 years initially, but when that comes to an end, his sentence can be extended with 5 years at a time, if it is deemed unsafe for him to return to society. This can (and will, probably) continue until his death.

So the maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years, but if you're a mass murdering maniac, there is a workaround to keep you away from people.

I can't really see him being released, as I highly doubt everyone in Norway would be able to be as forgiving as the father interviewed in this documentary, and Breivik would not exactly be safe walking the streets of a norwegian city...

You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

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If its superior then why does so much of the world send their kids to US universities rather then Norwegian ones?

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Its their version of treating inmates as humanely as possible, make no mistake they are still prisoners as they werent allow to leave the place.

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According to the doc, it is more effective than the US system. Why wouldn't you believe that treating someone nicer would have a better effect?
Do you behave best when you are mistreated? Just asking.

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I think what you're referring to is Bastøya, which is a prison island you can't just escape that easily. So they're free to go where they want on that island only. This is experimental and most prisons here are not like that.

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...I also wonder how this type of open jail could be effective.

You give people who hasn't got respect as a pretext, human affection and access to learning easier access to those fields. You also let them understand how society is supposed to work versus how criminality works. For those most unrelenting in changing it will probably also work in a way to assert guilt for committing crimes.

@ameerjabril

Michael Moores lies all the time in his films. He's a professional propagandist. That's why so many people including the very people who he claims to support hate him.

Using hyperbole statements frequently to emphasize differences is a common practise and he often marks it out. Lucily Moore isn't the go to source for statistics even though compared to propaganda channels like Fox he would be.
You can verify his statements because mostly he gives either examples or references through keywords in the given context - that encourages you to learn for yourself no matter which side you are on.

If its superior then why does so much of the world send their kids to US universities rather then Norwegian ones?

The few top universities of USA has huge brandvalue (having attended Harvard has through Hollywood been so widely acclaimed that it is simply perceived so in alot of the world). As you got a huge socio-economic segregation in USA the top Universisities will get a tremendously large part of money and influence compared to those in the bottom due to the density of the populace and available funding through that and others who attend.
Then you have the huge e-spionage side to american military which pushes out all these inventions onto their intellectuals to be first out with inventions and capitalise technological inventions (access to wide spectrums of high tech).
If that was not enough there are also informal groups with a high presence in the USA, aswell as a higher powerconcentration (not only because of the military but as the main, still, superpower).

I hope that explained it.
If not; In USA a few get alot of means while the rest suffer for it. In most other countries the means are more evenly distributed and there is larger degree of education and competition because of it.
So in short there are some Universities in USA that are amongst the best, but overall they fall behind. The high segregation and difference in available opportunity also has a negative impact on the nation overall.

Ignorance is only a bliss if you haven't reached awareness.
My imdb posts are getting altered.

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Studies have shown that a very very high (I think in the 90% range) of murderers are no threat to anyone else. As to whether it's effective, here's what I just wrong on another thread on this board. I think it addresses some of your question.
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You make a lot of good points, and I could comment on several, but I'll just mention one about the prisons in Norway. They have so few guards and they aren't run by people who make a profit off of keeping people in prison. Decades ago the state of Missouri looked to California (my state) for how to deal with juvenile delinquents. Their recidivism rate was in the high 70s, the same as California's, So they decided that they would try something different.

They got rid of all their juvenile prisons and created a bunch of small group home like compounds that only housed an average of 5 to 10 teens. When a child arrived they were assigned a small stuffed animal as a buddy. If the teen destroyed or lost it, they were always given another until they learned to keep it. They wouldn't let them eat junk food, only wholesome real food. They had gardens and had the teens work in the gardens to grow much of it themselves. They had therapists of various kinds working with them every day and they helped them with their learning and skills.

After several years of this, the recidivism rate dropped to the high teens, like 17%. So, from 77% down to 17%. Those teens were then out working and paying taxes instead of being a burden on taxes. They were breaking the cycle of family problems that got them there (most kids in juvenile prison are from broken families and are also victims of abuse from a very early age).

Here, in adult prison, most, even if they're not run by for profit companies, have profit centers, like high telephone calls out and high fees in their little stores. These profits offset the cost of the prison. But they lead to disconnecting the prisoners from their families and communities and making them more resentful to a system that they see as abusive, and one that takes away their voices by, in many states not letting them ever vote again even when they are out and off probation.

In the movie Michael Moore shows what our tax itemization should look like, and he sites the military as (I think) 68% of where our taxes go. I don't know if it's that high, but no number I've ever seen has ever been below 50%. That's crazy. Other countries should share the costs, the policing and the decisions as to how the world adjudicates disputes or responds to aggression.

Moore only had so much time in the movie, and he was trying to make a point that there are more successful models available. In the USA we just hear about US exceptionalism and that we are the best. And if you question it you are often shouted down as unpatriotic and told "you should leave the country if you don't like it." Most Americans are told and believe that we have the best of everything, but if you look at the international standings we are no where near the top in many areas, and i think we're almost last in education.

Sorry for going on so long. You see why I picked just one topic.
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More right-wing projection. Speak for yourself. People on the left don't tend to hate on folks that want a better country and a more loving society.

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I believe the Norwegian prison system is terrible, and is based off Darwin's theories. i.e. The strong survive, whereas the weak parish. Norway has less crime because they're a much smaller country with less diversity. That doesn't mean their correctional facilities are ideal.


The criminals are laughing their sick heads off at all of you, and taking advantage of you. People's nightmares in Norway are getting to enjoy their lives while their victims could possibly be mentally and emotionally damaged forever, if they are not dead. Those that have not been prey to crime are walking around unprotected by the Norwegian government, and the horrible animals who resemble humans that commit crimes are not being punished properly. They are in fact rewarded for their evil deeds and treated like King's, forever having an army of peasants and cowards there to defend them and their "rights", yet no one has any care or concern for the victim's rights. I see all kinds of clips on YouTube about Norwegian inmates, but never any on the prey, and that's because, as a Norwegian told me on YouTube once, no one cares about the victims.

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