That prisoner in Norway...
The one with the Mike Tyson tattoo. Is it just me, or did he totally look like Tom Hardy?
shareI liked this movie a lot, and I've liked all of the sections in other MM movies where
he has talked about socialism and what the US is missing.
But, this thing with the Scandinavian prisons is harder for me to digest. What do you
think about that? That guy was a murderer. They did not go into the facts of the case,
but still, I don't know what to think of that?
Not sure what you are trying to say other than "you don't know what to think." Do you think that punishment rather than rehabilitation should be the focus? Obviously the Norwegians disagree.
Perhaps it ought to be enough to remove the culprit from society rather than to brutalize him further. And think how much less brutalizing it is to be a guard in a more humane system.
What is wrong with saying I don't know what to think ... I don't.
I can see both sides.
For someone like the BTK killer, or that Anton Brevik I think his name was who was the mass-murderer of all those kids I have deep reservations about treating someone like that as human, however, they are human? I think inhuman animals should be put to death humanely, but the problem in the US with this is that the police and judicial system obviously does not work and is biased against certain people and groups.
If I had to make a decision I would go with the way they it in Norway or some of the other countries. I did not notice a lot of problem racial issues there though, or terrorists.
It is a bigger question and problem than is shown here is the point, but certainly the law and prisons in the US South are disgusting ... as is most of the South, having lived there for a short while.
This is a great movie and I hope people will see it and start thinking, and maybe vote for Bernie Sanders. We definitely need a revolution in the US ... this way that all the other developed countries have taken clearly they cannot all be wrong and the US is the only place that is right, or there is some overriding reason why Americans have to live like this.
The school lunches in France compared to the US almost made me cry, and I am a tough guy ... that was revolting.
Sorry - I didn't mean to imply it was wrong not to know what to think, just that the way you stated it was somewhere between statement and question.
I've read that many American children are growing up not knowing how to use utensils because all food is presented to them as finger food. French children are not only eating a variety of healthy and delicious food, but they are being painlessly taught the ways of polite society. Yet we are still transitioning to healthier burritos.
Well I think the facts speak for themselves, sure you can put bad people into a bad jail and treat them like dogs or even kill them. But guess what, America's crime rate is not going down and the number of re-offenders are just going up.
In Norway the statistics and facts speak for themselves, their crime rate has dropped since this new prison system was introduced and the number of re-offenders has gone down to become the lowest of any country in the world.
At the end of day that is all that matters, what is the point of having police and a judicial system if it does not do the one thing it is in place to do? Namely decrease crime and keep normal citizens safe.
I think every country in the world should learn from this movie. It is impossible to become a perfect country, there will always be crime there will always be certain problems, but at least if they adopted everything shown in this movie. Hell the world would be an amazing place to live in then.
>> In Norway the statistics and facts speak for themselves,
>> their crime rate has dropped since this new prison system
>> was introduced and the number of re-offenders has gone
>> down to become the lowest of any country in the world.
You might do well to remember that one does not cause or
imply the other. There are lots of things that Norway does
that may cause less crime, and since they have less crime
and have seen a new way to exist they may have implemented
more human prisons.
Also, I believe that in America the government doesn't really
care about the crime rate or the prison rate, except as to
how they can make money off it. The kind of money and
protection the wealthy have in America means they virtually
never face any crime, except maybe white collar Bernie Madoff
type crime. In the US no one with authority or power wants to
spend the money to make a better more peaceful or less
crime ridden society ... they just do not care.
America is going the opposite way from all the other developed
countries, and the developed countries of the world ought to
start to care about this, because the US is amassing money and
power that is threatening the rest of the developed world instead
of doing anything positive to develop the underdeveloped world.
True?
Please explain the differences in the rate of reoffending? Unless they actually do something different AFTER the person has been released it can only be the prisons that make the difference.
shareI think you are getting more statistical than human behavior indicates with that question.
You speak to people's motivations or perhaps their genetics or even their peer group.
It is kind of random, so I don't think you can make deductions about that.
I know I'm super late to respond.
I know there's a Norwegian guy below who tells it like it is (aka: Norwegians don't approve of their lenient prison system, they're supporting REVENGE on people who did nothing to them).
I have absolutely NO IDEA what counts as a murder in your country OR HIS country.
But still - I'm sure you can think of a situation when you in some way take part in someone's death, and in your justice system it's consider murder. Examples are: you're drunk or drugged, someone literally falls of from the sky (jumping of a building or whatever) and you're the murderer BECAUSE you were drunk/drugged while observing that. Show me a country that doesn't punish people like that - and YES, Portugal would. Not putting people to jail for alcohol/drug usage is one thing, but assumption of guilt in case of usage is another.
And that was only an example. I'm sure you can think of a situation that would make you guilty in your country's justice system, even though you did nothing wrong.
And that's not even mentioning actual murders committed by someone who would never do that to anyone else (so again: revenge is one thing, but actual incarceration is supposed to isolate people from others to PREVENT them from doing the same thing - what if they killed someone on purpose but won't do it to ANYONE ELSE, EVER?)
And that's only murders. Then we have people who stole or lied or made someone make a bad decision... or people who did absolutely nothing to anyone, but were caught smoking weed (remember Norway is not The Netherlands/Czech Republic/Jamaica/whatever).
And I didn't mention this but kind of have to... The glorious USA happily kills people having brain tumors, who can be cured with a comparably simple surgical procedure. We know some of the "murderers" had half of their brains shut down when they were committing their crimes. And we know it wasn't actually them who committed those! You aren't yourself when you have a tumor shutting down half of your brain. But it's more important to get revenge on the umm... animal (for lack of better word), than to bring back the human that was supposed to live in that body. And those cases are piling up even though we've started diagnosing the death row waiting list very very recently. Go read up on it.
Yeah I know, no one will read this :( TL;DR: most people are sociopaths demanding revenge for stuff they never experienced, or were, or will ever be, in any way, affected by. Meanwhile they want a revengeful justice system, instead of something fixing people who did something wrong.
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