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What's with the sexist anti-male generalizations at the end of the film?


Men were responsible for the financial crisis, men are responsible for war, only women can save the world, risk-taking is always bad, authoritarian quotas who force organizations to hire based on gender not merit are A-OK and so on.

What happened to Moore's argument for equality and equality of opportunity (NOT equality of outcome since one cancels the other) during the rest of the movie? Why did he have to and it on such a hateful note?

It's a shame, I really liked the movie and, honestly, I fully agree with the rest of Moore's ideology which isn't just socialist but also anti-authoritarian.

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::sigh:: How come sticking up for women's proven abilities to do things well constitutes "a hateful note"? Sorry, but your post is a complete non sequitur to me. In fact, I wonder if you're telling the truth about how you feel about the movie when you say you like his "ideology" and calling it "socialist," a buzzword used by people on the right to discredit people on the left, usually without any evidence. Like in your post, for example.


"How was the war, sir?"
"As any war, ma'am, a waste of good men." (Poldark)

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Jesus Christ, read the damn post before replying. Like I said, he pretty much claims in there that men are responsible for war and the financial collapse while claiming that only women can save the world because apparently they're so much better. This hateful nonsense can proven easily wrong using the simple example of the neoliberal scumbag called Angela Merkel that has been destroying Europe with austerity and privatizations for 6 years now or Thatcher before her that ruined UK.

Also, Michael Moore self-identifies as socialist so you're obviously don't know what you're talking about. Socialism isn't a dirty word and there's nothing wrong with someone supporting it. In fact it is a far better socio-economic system than capitalism.

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You know, there's no need to swear, nor is there any reason to assume I didn't read the post. You make all kinds of assumptions about what I think and know, so I wonder if it's even worth it to continue the discussion. And Michael Moore has never self-identified as a socialist that I know of. I've met him, talked with him, heard him speak live, read some of his books, and seen him numerous times on TV. Never heard any such thing. He wants what works the best for the most people, and sometimes that may mean a socialistic program like public schools and Medicare for all, but that doesn't make him a socialist per se. But hey, have it your way. Who am I to object? Only a mere woman who knows nothing about anything.


"How was the war, sir?"
"As any war, ma'am, a waste of good men." (Poldark)

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It's literally the top search result when you google Michael Moore and socialism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neyMdjrbM18

Jesus Christ dude, you claim that you've been following his career for years and you didn't know he's a socialist? Really now? Why do you think his previous movie is called Capitalism: a love story? You think he was being non-sarcastic? Did you even watch it?

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It's literally the top search result when you google Michael Moore and socialism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neyMdjrbM18
So? The radical right has been engaging in anti-Moore propaganda for decades now. The dreaded "socialist" is their favorite epithet to use against anyone they don't like. It doesn't matter whether or not it's true. When it comes to Michael Moore, it isn't. He's a Democrat. That does not equate to socialist. And anyway, what's so terrible about socialism that you have to engage in using it to put down a fellow patriot? No one is suggesting the government take over everything as in pure socialism. Why are you so freaked out about people having some services provided for their tax money? Services the government can deliver more cheaply than the private sector where profits are the main motivation for everything and add significantly to the cost.

Again, there's no need to swear, and I'm not a dude. And yes, I watched Capitalism: A Love Story, which you apparently did not. The point of the movie was not to have socialism but democracy, where everyone has a voice and a chance to be successful. But hey, who am I to correct you? I'm only a woman who doesn't know anything about anything.


"How was the war, sir?"
"As any war, ma'am, a waste of good men." (Poldark)

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So? The radical right has been engaging in anti-Moore propaganda for decades now. The dreaded "socialist" is their favorite epithet to use against anyone they don't like. It doesn't matter whether or not it's true. When it comes to Michael Moore, it isn't. He's a Democrat. That does not equate to socialist. And anyway, what's so terrible about socialism that you have to engage in using it to put down a fellow patriot? No one is suggesting the government take over everything as in pure socialism. Why are you so freaked out about people having some services provided for their tax money? Services the government can deliver more cheaply than the private sector where profits are the main motivation for everything and add significantly to the cost.

Again, there's no need to swear, and I'm not a dude. And yes, I watched Capitalism: A Love Story, which you apparently did not. The point of the movie was not to have socialism but democracy, where everyone has a voice and a chance to be successful. But hey, who am I to correct you? I'm only a woman who doesn't know anything about anything.



Learn to read. You're the one who said he's not a socialist treating the characterization as an accusation when I already explained that being a socialist definitely isn't a problem. In fact I am a socialist. It seems that you're the one who has a problem with socialism since you're hellbent on trying to paint Moore as a capitalist while ignoring the facts I've presented.

Btw the point of Capitalism a Love story is that you can't have democracy with capitalism because the rich eventually hijack it.

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Whatever. I'm so done with this conversation.


"How was the war, sir?"
"As any war, ma'am, a waste of good men." (Poldark)

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Btw the point of Capitalism a Love story is that you can't have democracy with capitalism because the rich eventually hijack it.


There is no form of government and no economic system that cannot be corrupted. Thinking that socialism is immune to being hijacked by those who want personal gain is naive.

As for Moore, he doesn't seem to have any problem with raising capital to make movies from which he derives a personal profit, which if he claims to be a "socialist" makes him a hypocrite.

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You just demonstrated you don't know what socialism is.

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"Who am I to object? Only a mere woman who knows nothing about anything." Victim, much? Nobody was questioning yr chromosomes.

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Of course not. I'm so outa here.


"How was the war, sir?"
"As any war, ma'am, a waste of good men." (Poldark)

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Og, so you're one of those idiots who thinks feminism is being anti-men 

Men's greediness was responsible for the financial crisis, that's a fact.




If I don't reply, you're most likely on my ignore list

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Og, so you're one of those idiots who thinks feminism is being anti-men

Men's greediness was responsible for the financial crisis, that's a fact.



Good God, how did I miss this gem? Nice generalizations there, gee, you sure proved to me that some feminists aren't sexists. I have already given examples of greedy and destructive female world leaders, how do you respond to that?

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Og, so you're one of those idiots who thinks feminism is being anti-men

Men's greediness was responsible for the financial crisis, that's a fact.


No, 400 crooks who happen to have a penis were responsible for the financial crisis. While I'd love to trade penises, my question is what their dick has to do with mine?

You say you aren't anti-men and then you go on to say men, not Wall Street crooks but MEN were responsible for the financial crisis.

Fück you.

Yours truly,

A man.

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#NotAllMen


(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NotAllMen)


If I don't reply, you're probably on my ignore list for something I forgot already

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A hashtag, are you autistic or something? Piss off to twitter.

~Lance

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I added the link to Wikipedia to save you the time to google it if you don't know what it means, you stupid *beep*.

I'm done. You bore me. To the ignore list.



If I don't reply, you're probably on my ignore list for something I forgot already

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I don't care to know what your autistic lingo means, only retards use hashtags in casual conversation. Have fun living in your mentally-challenged lalaland. I wouldn't be surprised if you're posting here from a psyche ward.

~Lance

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I don't think many white males in the U S have suffered sexism or discrimination or oppression. Pointing out that females and minorities and white males are all equal human beings isn't being sexist to white men. Michael Moore has reiterated that in his work and he happens to be a white male himself. He also is not a socialist but points out how such programs are successful in other nations without a huge tax burden on its citizens.

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And isn't it amazing that your calm and rational post, which simply states the facts of the matter, will probably not be accepted as such by at least some folks determined to see what they've been brainwashed to see. It's really hard to believe how well propaganda works.


"How was the war, sir?"
"As any war, ma'am, a waste of good men." (Poldark)

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Men were responsible for the financial crisis, men are responsible for war, only women can save the world, risk-taking is always bad, authoritarian quotas who force organizations to hire based on gender not merit are A-OK and so on.

What happened to Moore's argument for equality and equality of opportunity (NOT equality of outcome since one cancels the other) during the rest of the movie? Why did he have to and it on such a hateful note?

It's a shame, I really liked the movie and, honestly, I fully agree with the rest of Moore's ideology which isn't just socialist but also anti-authoritarian.


Completely agreed. Every other part of his movie was kickass except the sexist, false narrative at the end.

I love how people completely ignored your points about that haggard whale Angela Merkel and Margaret Thatcher too. Shows what sheep most people are regardless of political orientation.

~Lance

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Agree 100%

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I did not like Moore's appeasement of "hardcore feminism" in the movie, it was one of the weak points. I'm all for equality, but the statement that women could save the world from further crisis and financial crashes because they have the common well-being in mind (which was exactly what the Icelandic feminists said) is a very preposterous one to make. Women can be *beep* people just like men can. I also did not like his allegation that it was a good thing that there's a parliament with a majority of women in it - so now suddenly, equality doesn't matter anymore? Weak, Moore. But overall I liked the film.

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I agree it was a bit too much. I don't think there is any evidence women would have done better and I certainly did not agree with the gender differences they asserted but to be fair, men have indeed been ruling the world and have cause all this. If you want to be in charge you have to take responsibility for it.

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I'm from the United States and I was an undecided voter with regards of the upcoming presidential election we have in November. I feel both candidates are evil. However, my plan presently is to vote for Mr. Trump. The reason why is because I finished watching Moore's documentary today, and I really don't wish to make sexists happy by supporting Clinton. (And who I mean by "sexists", I am referring to women and their servants who hate men.)

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In my opinion that's a very very bad reason and flawed logic. To me you come off as a sexist in denial because of that.

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Because only men can be greedy. Its not really men fault that more women are more interested in Medicine and Psychology. Than they are about getting into Politics and Finances. And Frankly i doubt blame them.

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1. I never said women aren't greedy and 2. you know VERY little about how society and the human mind works.

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I agree it was a bit too much. I don't think there is any evidence women would have done better and I certainly did not agree with the gender differences they asserted but to be fair, men have indeed been ruling the world and have cause all this. If you want to be in charge you have to take responsibility for it.



If we take responsibility as men for the world by generalizing that only men rule it can we also take responsibility for all technological advances in humanity given that the vast majority of great scientists were men? Or do feminists pick and choose where to generalize?

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I think the point is that if you have an unequal system where one gender (or use another trait) has a disproportionate amount of power in the system, then it is hypocritical to blame everyone equally. If you have more power, you are more responsible.


As for the movie, yes maybe Michael Moore is biased about women in business and what would have happened if they were all in charge the past 20 or so years. That being said, I thought it was interesting that they said that the law that required that both genders be on the board for a corporation where the maximum % of the board can be one gender is 60%.

I think it is interesting idea because it implies that we need balance in business especially with gender. Maybe use our use our stereotypical biological traits to use as a check on business. Also supporting feminist ideals that we are all equal. Therefore it is not good for a business to have too many men or too many women in charge, you want to have both.

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The women-run bank in Iceland that did not go under in 2008 was due to the women's careful investing.

She said - they did not invest in anything they did not understand. (ie: credit default swaps, and such)

It seemed to be a quest to get 'bigger' no matter the risk...ie: a 'big penis competition'.

And she was right.

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It seemed to be a quest to get 'bigger' no matter the risk...ie: a 'big penis competition'.

And she was right.


Men risking everything to explore, invent and push the limits is what advanced the human civilization. Blaming risk for everything is beyond daft. The problem wasn't the risk, it was greed and both sexes have tons of that.

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I'm 100% with you. I was really enjoying this documentary until it got to the "women will save the world part". It painted men as greedy, selfish, uncaring and women as sensitive, loving, more intelligent. There are *beep* men and there are *beep* women. I'm a woman myself and I don't believe one gender is superior to the other.

Really ruined the doc for me. I get enough feminist propaganda shoved in my face on a daily basis. I watch movies to escape that, FFS.

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