How is this kid not fired?


Fabian.
First he loses his keys all the time, showed up late because his mommy didn't wake him up in time, let some inmates go through control tower documentation AND leave with it and now he leaves a gate open resulting in an inmate getting out of the unit.
The inmate went to go see his caseworker even though he was directed not to. That could have been dangerous. The caseworker was not expecting the inmate, and the inmate was not being escorted by guards. He could have shown up and either assaulted or killed the caseworker.
He downplays his mistakes saying that the margin of error is so smal. His error was huge and is was a simple thing to do, close a gate, as he was walking away from the gate the inmate even told him the gate was open. The producer had to be the one to tell him an inmate was missing and instead of calling on the radio immediately he goes to find the missing inmate having no idea what he looks like ANd still leaves the gate open if you notice.
Then his training supervisor talks to him and saying he has received calls from his administration about and zfavian has the nerve to appear surprised. Oh really? He replies. LOL!
Next week it appears he is in a control unit in charge of doors and he doesn't know how to open them. Some officers are trying to hold onto a very combative inmate yelling at him to open the door and he is all I don't know how to use these. So they just put him in there and don't show him how to use the door switches? I think he was shown and either didn't pay attention or is too stupid. When he talks he looks stoned or just a big look of DUH on his face.
How is he not fired? The gate thing alone he should have been fired hell the week before with the inmates going through and taking documentation (and he didn't tell anyone about it either) is a fireable offense. This is an 18 year old idiot. He should not be in charge of these felons.

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I can't stand Fabian. I hate seeing him walk into a unit looking so small with is shoulders hunched, and speaking with such an insecure sounding voice. I'm not knocking the kid if that's just his demeanor. That's fine if that's how he is outside of the prison, but inside, he needs to be present, and walk around with some authority.

For the life of me, I don't understand why this prison is happy to hire 18 year olds. I don't care how "mature" some 18 year olds can be in comparison to other 18 year olds. At that age, no one has enough life or work experience to be working in a place like that, and to be dealing with those kinds of people. To list a few of their biggest experiences at this point, we're talking about people who just got out of high school, who got their driver's licences within the last two years, and whose last jobs were probably their first jobs ever. It was either Fabian or that kid who quit a few episodes ago who was a cart pusher before working at the prison.

I agree that Fabian should have been fired after open gate incident (especially after the mistakes he's made before). We'll see what administration has to say after the control tower next week.

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I agree they shouldn't be hiring 18 year olds, and quite frankly I don't think some of them have even graduated high school, they either dropped out or got their GED which isn't the same as spending four years I a socialized environment such as high school. I taugh high school for 13 years and I can just tell some of them can't even put together a comp,eye sentence like Fabian, no way he graduated.
Not only is their last job is their only job but it is miles away different from this. Working as a cart pusher or at Walmart like Lily is miles different from working as a correctional officer. These kids can't even drink. You should have to be 21 or better yet 25 to work there. You mean to tell me that the person who said it was ok to hire these 18 year old would trust their safety with these kids at their back? I think not.
Lily can't even count after the whole wheelchair parts fiasco. She also won't write up inmates. Has no control or authority. While the supervisor was showing her how to spot drugs in he mail he found something and showed her. She then tells the camera and I quote "It feels good to have caught some drugs coming into the prison, I think this will help give me the experience I need to an FBI agent which is what I want to be." WHAT! First of all the supervisor found the drugs not you Lily, second you an FBI agent? I half expected her to pronounce it like Kelly Bundy did in one episode of Married With Children, Kelly called them Fubee guys. In other words phonetically pronouncing FBI instead of saying each letter. Lily is another one that I don't believe graduated high school. Her last and only job was also a cart pusher at Walmart.
By allowing he hiring of 18 year olds here they are setting a president that trickles down all the way through other high school kids. By upping the required age limit to 21 you are allowing if not making it possible for these kids to get some more years of education at college even a community or junior college and at minimum get some units in criminal justice, and of course some more life experience. By allowing the hiring of 18 year olds like most kids they won't aspire to do more especially in preparation for this career. What more they won't even aspire to graduating high school what's the point when you can just get a GED or drop out and then get a job "feeling" like a badass, (whether you are one or not is another matter).
It's just a mess all the way around and the worst part is the higher ups are confused about why there is such a high turnover rate and are scratching their heads as to what could possibly be the problem. Really? Maybe their previous job was a cart pusher at Walmart too.

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I agree wholeheartedly that the people they hire should at the very least be 21. I personally think one of the hiring requirements should be at least a year or two of college with a couple prerequisite social science courses like sociology or psychology, just so that theoretically, incoming staff can have an idea of how and why people behave the way they do, and will also have had some life and work experience.

The thing I don't get about hiring Lily is the fact that she's 5 foot nothing, and 100 pounds soaking wet. I know there are people that would cry discrimination when it comes to saying someone like Lily shouldn't be hired because of her size, but I don't care. There should be physical requirements beyond the ability to complete boot camp. I guarantee any one of those inmates could take Lily out in a matter of seconds. Just like Fabian, I can't stand how shy and timid she is. That kind of demeanor is fine outside of the prison, but they need to walk and talk with presence and authority when they're in the prison. I can't stand it each time Lily gives a directive in that whiny, near non existent voice of hers, only to have the show cut to her talking about needing to gain respect from the inmates.

Something I mentioned in another thread was what I think is the prison's crappy training.

Every few episodes, some of the older rookies (like Ariel, who's been there for 10 months) end up working in a unit they've never worked in before. I don't get how that happens after working at the prison for nearly a year. Why wouldn't training include rotating the rookies through EVERY building/unit? Or at least rotating them consistently enough so that they're not being introduced to a unit when they start working as COs, only to end up not working in the unit again for months on end. And if I remember correctly, Ariel was working with another officer who wasn't particularly familiar with the unit. Why in the world would that pair be scheduled to work together? If the prison is so understaffed that it requires mandatory overtime, but can't schedule a veteran who knows exactly what they're doing with a rookie officer, then this prison is screwed.

And speaking of overtime, a few episodes ago, they had Israel who had just come off of a 12 hour shift, and started his mandatory overtime working in a unit where he had never worked before, and was given the responsibility of transporting inmates he had never interacted with out of their cells (I think for tier, which meant the inmate would not have been restrained while outside of his cell). Israel was there waiting for someone to assist him (as he should have been) and all of a sudden he was told he can just transport the guy on his own. And if I recall correctly, that particular inmate was known for being unpredictable and violent. That whole scene had me shaking my head.

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I agree with everything you said.
I sometimes wonder if the producers are purposefully making this prison look bad and just making it totally obvious to the higher ups that are scratching heads as if to say to them DUH! This is why you idiots!
I agree they should have an education requirement and that one class should be sociology or psychology, a lot,of other jobs require it in cases where you work with other people like education.
I also agree their training should have required rotations in each unit. Doctors do rotations in each area like pediatrics, emergency room, etc whether that is going to be their specialty or not.
When you do your student teaching year it is a year beyond your BA, you student teach full time AND still take a full time course load at the university teaching your w to be a teacher.
Well most people student teach in the elementary schools because that is where they are going to teach, others with a single subject credential (meaning you are a math major and will be teaching just math or whatever subject) will usually student teach in the middle school or high school because that is where they are going to teach. However, my credential (music) is a k-12 credential so I student taught in elementary school, middle school, AND high school. I primarily wanted to teach music in high school and my professors even said I didn't have to do all three but I wanted to. There was a chance (especially due to budget cuts) that I couldn't get my ideal job so I needed to be prepared to teach any grade level and that involved student teaching each grade leveler, and it was eye opening for me.
My high school mentor teacher threw out his back, needed back surgery and was the. Kachin of the girls golf team where they went on all day games so I was doing solo teaching a lot more tha. Student teaching, so much so I got my sub permit and started getting paid for each time I solo taught.
My middle and elementary student teaching was at the same school a k-8 school and I had a much better mentor teacher. The elementary music teaching was primarily done in a classroom and the middle school stuff was pull out band both beginning and advanced and choir.
Each area is so different. High schoolers are ready to get out and go, some are respectful and some aren't but those are also the years they start turining into their parents so I learn a lot about students parents in those years.
Middle school is the worst for me (and I have a 6th grade son too, lol) because they think they are on the top of their totem pole because they are the top grade of their school and they don't know just how far they have to go or how falling from the top is falling from the most dangerous height. They challenge you at everything trunking they know more than you.
Elementary school is cute. They do everything and don't care who is watching. They pick their nose and wipe it on their shirt and don't care. They fart and say excuse me and every moves on, it's great, and cute. Kids there make and break friendships forty time in a day and it's okay! Lol.
I think that working each grade gives me the skills needed to work with any student and see how different students learn different ways, not every kid is going to learn your way of teaching them. Especially special Ed student which I also taught because music is an elective and special Ed students get to pick one general Ed elective and it is usually art or music.
That is a great example for me because after teaching for five years I had my child, three years after he was born he was diagnosed with autism. It wasn't a surprise to me because I saw the developmental delays I saw in some of my special Ed students.
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I knew HOW to deal with it because my experience in teaching different students special Ed students included and autistic students included . That could be the same here if the CO's work in training with different types of people they can learn how to deal with them.
I know which battles to pick and chose from with high schoolers, because of the experience.
I think it sums up best when someone asked a friend and me what we teach. My friend replied kindergarten and was met with a showering of oh how cute, and adorable from the ladies to which my friend had a look of huh? On her face because that wasn't how she felt about it, I rep,iced high school after her and I was met with shock and oh I'm so sorry, and that must be terrible, to which I had a look of huh? On my face because that wasn't how I felt. I replied that no it's great, I love it. My friend the kindergarten teacher was tired of kids yelling, and cleaning up glue (and snot) and didn't find that stuff cute and adorable, she loves her job but it isn't all cute and adorable as people think.
Hose ladies didn't mean any offense but they don't have the experience working with those kids so they don't know. Just as these new CO's don't know.

Sorry I kind of took the long way around to get ere, but hopefully my point is understood.
You and I are on the same page anyways, it so rarely happens here, lol.

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Oh good god, the preview of the next episode has Fabian flushing an inmate's contraband down the toilet.

If this kid isn't fired by the end of the season, I won't know what to think.

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I just started watching today's episode, I don't know what happens with the doors but how since not fired already? Now he is flushing contraband! Why?
If the producers of the show see what's going on then his bosses do to? Are they as dumb as Fabian? I don't feel sorry for these higher ups. Hey are worried about supercool they need to be worried about Fabian *beep* right there.

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Also, wasn't there another really Asperger-y kid, in the beginning of the season that looked like Fabian, and quit his first day. He was scrawny and not mentally all there. His head was just somewhere else. He was also putting on chapstick a lot in front of the inmates LOL. Everyone kept having to repeat sh$t cuz he just wasn't all there. Then he quit after some "scary" incident his first day. Sometimes I get confused and think it was Fabian. Anybody remember him?

Also, another thing I noticed, is the obesity of the veteran guards. It's such a contrast from the scrawny rookie kids they're bringing in now, however neither is appropriate, or should be accepted. This one guard a few episodes ago, had to be pushing 4 bills. Dude was massive. I'm supposed to feel comfortable with him working with me when something pops off three floors up, or in the showers way down the hall? I would feel no more safe working with a scrawny kid like Fabian, then a morbidly obese veteran.

FFS where are the physical standards and requirements. They should be required to pass a physical, remain in a certain weight range, and complete a fitness test every year to remain eligible for employment. I know law enforcement has the highest race of obesity, study wise, but that's just not safe. There needs to be standards 100%

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Yeah I remember him...staring into space all the time applying his chapstick LOL. At least he figured out quickly that the job wasn't for him. This Fabian kid though, geeze, how many mistakes can you make?!!

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YeahI remember him too. I think his name was Andrew.

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Agreed. I kinda wondered why they push physical fitness hard in the academy when they’re going to be working 16 hour days right away and let’s face it, none of them are going to be doing PT off the clock.

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I am so tired of hearing every single segment he is in he has to say "I'm just a little kid" or, "I'm only 18, so I'm young".
We hear that...we hear Lilly having to mention every segment that she is a female, and every segment that Cohen Mangin is in he talks about being raised in a family of CO's. Last episode he said something like, "I'm different than these other CO's because I grew up around it".
STFU! All of you. We get it..you're young, you have boobs, and you think you are special..

EDIT: Actually, I don't think it is Cohen Mangin, it is the other guy who's father is a LT or something.. ( I can't remember his name..Chaz something?)


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Ok now he is flushing found contraband and is offering prisoners to be his servant instead of writing them up? How are his supervisors not seeing this and how is he not fired? What do the people that work with him think? Aren't they saying something?

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Did you see last nights??
I couldn't believe he did that to the inmates..made them work for him so they didn't get written up. Then he actually said that he finally got the respect he deserved, and seemed to feel really good about himself!! UGH
I don't know what made him think he would do well in this career! Same with a few others. I am new to this series, but have been watching season one as well. It seems like so many of them just went into it blind..



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I just saw the last few minutes, thank a God because that was driving me nuts, I hope wherever he applies to next sees this series and doesn't hire him.

Now Ariel, if she wants to quit that's fine but you need to be professional and at last call in and quit.
Wherever you go to work next you have to put this job down as employment history and they are going to call for a recommendation, this isn't the way to get it.
Where are people learning common sense when it comes to employment I just don't get it.

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I wasn't sure if you had seen the entire episode, which is why I didn't give too many details and end up spoiling it for you or anyone else. The epidose was a $#!+ show...but was actually one of, if not my favorite one so far!

I was a bit surprised when Ariel didn't show up. I hope nothing bad had happened, but it seems like a response to her trauma from the assault. Did they have that on film? I don't remember it. Nor do I remember Puerto being assaulted but someone on here had mentioned he was assaulted and was out of work for a number of months.

I agree, neither of the two from this episode (Ariel and Fabien) were very smart to go about things that way since they will need the refrence. The only thing I think may spare them from a negative refrence is that former employers are not supposed to go into details about their employment. They are only supposed to confirm or deny employment dates, not go into detail about why the person was let go. Of course there is always the chance of the person from HR offering up the info anyhow.



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I think Fabian is trying to sabotage himself.

I mean he took a tough course and he still can't do the most basic things like assert himself and physically stand up straight?

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