So the Joker was forgiven for paralyzing Barbara?

It seems the story ends with Batman befriend with Joker and everything would be alright, forgetting that Joker made Barbara paralyze and almost driven Commissioner Gordon mad and killing a long list of people....

He could have at least beat the spit out of him. That would have made me feel better , but that's not what the story was.

There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap

At the end of the movie, you can hear only Batman laughing.

Some people say he choked Joker to death, while the creator says he threw the book at him like Gordon wanted.

I choose to believe that he choked Joker until he realized he was going to kill him, so he stopped. Beating Joker is pointless, no matter how much you beat him the crazy *beep* gets off on it. Batman is tired of his "game" anyway.

Joker still gets returned to Arkham (or killed by the Batman, if you prefer that interpretation of the ending).

and the implyed rape of a paralyzed Barbara


can you imagine?
an imaginary menagerie manager
imagining managing an imaginary menagerie?

I used to think that the Joker killed Batman in the end of that story. It just never made sense to me to interpret it any other way with Batman geeking out like that. Now, I can see it is ambiguous and can be interpreted a few different ways, Alan Moore's commentary notwithstanding. There's a panel that looks as though Batman may be ready to choke him, there is a panel where Joker may be ready to stick him with his handshake needle. Then the laughing and the police lights go away. We really don't know what happened.

What do you say, you dumb bitch?

Gordon in Conroy Batman world (they have a particular cast with a certain perspective when Conroy is Batman) is bad because he bats a blind eye to crime and he is the commissioner, but for a man like him to openly support vigilantism, it means he's letting a lot of stuff go within the force that a man of his Commissioner position should be trying to prevent, if he would even openly support an uncontrollable vigilantism.

But the way he's good is that he won't play favorites just to win so whatever Joker's case may be (and he too realizes that his daughter may have even died otherwise, especially as hot headed and violent as she was) the way he was handled was without extra punishment from the commissioner's favor. That's why the Commissioner is good.

But for Conroy Batman to be good, the vigilantes that escape the asylum need to keep on becoming better people, because even though they do a lot of harm, as they gain understanding, they do more to save the world...

And what it looks like now is that Batman is unsure because he may be preventing more good deeds, but that may make them even try to be good even harder...

But keep in mind that Joker may be the number one crime preventer by now because criminals are even more afraid to commit crimes because of the Joker than Batman. Despite being a former mass murderer, now going forward, he might be the top vigilante in town...


Because when he goes to his therapy sessions, he gets better from it, and how he explains it to them, they'll eventually be convinced he will prevent more harm than he causes if they let him go... and people that think along normal lines won't be able to stop it.

We have to remember that Conroy Batman created this system and the asylum was initially created for him so unless they secretly become more and more good, more effective vigilantes and less criminal in other ways, Batman will become bad because it all stems from him....

So he's a guy that will never get treatment, and will always stay the same, so he cannot improve unless the world he creates is improving and his arch enemies that keep on getting released from the insane asylum keep on secretly affecting the world in even better and better ways, moving forward.