Joker and Harley vs Polyamory.


If I had to fit the pieces of the puzzle for part of Hamill Joker's back story, Hamill Joker IMO on the Conroy Batman was a dude that was not sexually abused as a kid but hanging out with gangsters and these guys sometimes abuse kids to gangster them... but joker was too tough and IMO maybe one of them tricked him to abuse his friend and what followed from this wrong was murder to uphold good social values... after an already alarming mind was goaded into trying gang relations.

I vaguely remember on a Batman-Superman cross over Joker even got away with killing 10s of thousands of people... But he did it over social concerns to right society or scare people to acting the right way and when the resulting effects were incalculable to make the world a better place socially, I think he wanted to personally move away from mass murder. There's a way the system keeps on letting him out because he is one of the few that can even try to uphold value through such actions, bat as a Conroy Batman villain he is also a vigilante, and he also tries to do good deeds and deeds with purpose, but being in lunacy he has misunderstandings....


However the Conroy Batman villains/vigilantes get better from therapy whereas Conroy Batman will never get better.

Joker however is getting better and part of it is from a human connection from having sexual relationships with prostitutes. This is a man that is so sexually pristine and pure (maybe not so much but ironically more so than a lot of people) that after many decades of abstinence, he finally got a girlfriend that often times is unavailable, and was monogamous for many years, and now that he stepped out of monogamy, the only way he feels safe being with another another is paying for it... it is something he mentally has to do to overcome his 'rape' fear to even have these relationships....

But as he has these sexual relations with prostitutes he gains a greater understanding of human relations and that staves off this murder instinct that instinctual even he knows he cannot understand it for the betterment of humanity by the time it gets to mass murder... whatever right he was trying to wrong once it gets to mass murder, he won't even understand the social correction from it...

Cuz again he's the form of the standard Conroy Batman villain. Since they can learn from therapy they may have issues and have a hard time seeing their good when there is so much to question, but ideally they would have rather helped than harmed... and they keep getting out of these asylums because the way they think though it is dangerous is so unique that society feels that may befit a specific purpose and therefore they are often granted clemency due the nature of the dual potentials...

But he is getting better... in fact Conroy Batman is now uncertain of whether or not he should still be in the game... For example criminals in the killing joke now view the Joker as the greatest threat and deterrent to crime - Hamill Joker is now the most fear inducing element to prevent wrong....

The goodness of the criminal element is necessary to justify Conroy Batman, or else he started a crimewave.

Now Sorkin Harley, when we examine her nature, she was a big tramp sleeping with the whole world including women, gangster, Batman, etc.

But to examine her relationship and gain a better understanding of who Conroy Batman really is, I'll point to Mad Love as examining the pivotal impetus of the crime wave.

So the Mad Love is Harley's Mad Love over the Joker. (Who tried to kill her that episode and threw her off a 50 ft building but because Batman drove her crazy and Joker saw it as a way to imbue sanity, and then ride on for her, as she spiritually helps him on his mission, and he does his victims justice as he eternally champions for their cause or goodness, maybe something that they were not strong enough to defend, that he tries to imbue in himself to fight for them to make up for it.)

So he saw a way to save Harley eternally as she was getting corrupted because he knew that if he threw her off the building, she would understand her error, so this was his big chance to save her forever....

But he just killed his girlfriend and Batman was so inhuman that he couldn't understand the nature of the Joker's frustrations in such a trying moment.

But he didn't kill his girlfriend (who is the only strong enough to potentially murder him if he went too far, her dilemma, she may have to kill her true lover, who she champions for because he improves unlike Batman - unless he gets better through everyone else getting better.


Because her purpose was too strong to die from a 50 ft fall.

But what pissed her off, and drove her nuts despite all this, was not the Joker but her mad love for Batman.

If we pay attention closely in this episode the fundamental error of Conroy Batman is revealed. He is actually on a deeper level gay and in sex love with the Joker, which makes all this philandering different than if he was straight... it's more a sign of his vanity or desire for fame.

So what he was doing as Bruce Wayne (and Batman sometimes too) is sleeping with the toughest gangster chicks in Gotham (like Batgirl AKA the Commissioner's daughter) and driving them nuts because he is secretly gay but doing it for fame and to win people over (see how Batgirl was defaming him before he went for it in this movie)... And for him to not understand relationships the same way most normal people do was what drove Harley insane in the first place, everything she would have to try to justify who keeps things so casual. And is arguably insane enough to have an asylum built over him but will never go through therapy...

He gets off on getting into relationships with these gangster women (often like Harley involved with other men) and then they go crazy and piss off their boyfriends (because they are not always single) and then he beats up and arrests their boyfriends and is forever perpetually alone in relationships because a good man is damn near impossible for a gay man as vein as Batman.

But they all seem to know it if you understand the innuendo between those three in that episode, and it is very relevant to what happened in The Killing Joke.

So now what is the difference between the Joker-Harley relationship and polyamory?

They know it's wrong.

For example at least one of them was in a monogamous relationship (the Joker) for all those years and it staved off his jealousy.

But when he is so dangerous and there are other issues in play and especially when Harley is often unavailable, he started banging hookers too... in The Killing Joke.

And now as his reputation as the scariest vigilante in Gotham to criminals, making Batman unsure if he should go on, but trying to stop them makes them more good even when it gets tougher and tougher to say what he should have allowed, compared to what he could have done, if his criminal nature is more imbued in vigilantism, that's more good.


But they still know it's wrong. They're not making each other bang random people for loyalty. They're not creating a situation where if they had kids gangsters could walk on them, and if they tried, then they would have to deal with Harley and the Joker fighting back. It would be understandable if Quinn got jealous of Joker (even if he did nothing) if the Batman was just inside... it's giving more to the Joker.

So there's something that strains their relationship and it's not ideal but at least they are not making these issues an IDEAL and that's polyamory. And then you force your partner to get sexually abused by others.

I argue that polyamory is not what these two are doing. Polyamory is when you say that what these two people are doing is right when it's wrong and then it just blows out sustenance.

Why not just get divorced but maintain a good relationship then? Compared to attempting to make all this MORE for both of them on top of this to start...

That would be madness.

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