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Oscar baiting based on false racism accusations


I'm not even American and I've heard of Katherine Johnson 15 years ago in science class, how could someone so "underrated" and "underappreciated" make it all the way to another continental's 9th grade science book ? And I recall reading about her once or twice over the years way before this movie came to life. I recall she had been awarded more than once for her work also. So what is with all these racial connections really? Why can't they celebrate a successful intelligent woman without having to make her a victim somehow..ughhh freaking Hollywood.

Aya A.R

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I'm African American and stuff like this pisses me off.
They are doing a true disservice to the story in order to sell tickets and to pander to the minority audience. This movie looks like a bad Lifetime/Tyler Perry movie.
As I've said before, tell the story right or don't tell it at all.

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Well, she may have made the history books, but I lived through 8 days of TV coverage of the Apollo 11 mission, and I don't think she was mentioned once by any of the networks.

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Nor were any of the other mathematicians working on the project.

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1. Why are you bringing up race?
2. Like the other poster mentioned, I've read and seem a litany of Apollo spaxe program and their contributions have been neglected.


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omoxus wrote:

1. Why are you bringing up race?
2. Like the other poster mentioned, I've read and seem a litany of Apollo spaxe program and their contributions have been neglected.


1. You obviously know nothing about science.
2. Katherine Johnson and the others have been publicly recognized for their contributions for decades now. For example, courtesy of NASA: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/katherine-johnson-the-girl-who-loved-to-count
3. They were not mathematicians nor were they scientists essential to the development of the space program. If you argue they were irreplaceable, then the guy with the lug nut wrench who tightened the screws on the space capsules was too. John Glenn did not need Johnson to verify certain computer calculations. He made that gesture to Johnson to raise her profile because he liked and respected her.

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I just wish they can tell the story right. The story by itself is already interesting but the studios had to exaggerate and invent details in order to pander to its intended audiences.
As I mentioned before, this looks like a movie either Tyler Perry or the Lifetime network would do and its an insult to the real life figures that they are portraying on the screen and deserves a hell of a lot more than this.

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@CelluloidAdmirer:

I agree with you that this story is interesting and worthy of any sort of artistic telling (book, film, whatever). My problem is with Hollywood bullzhit and feelgood politics that distort reality. Among other things, the promoters don't really understand the difference between an engineer and a mathematician, nor the difference between engineers/staff-scientists who number crunch and engineers who do the more difficult theory and design of rockets. Numerous racebaiters here will assume that criticism of how this story is told is equivalent to criticism of the ladies themselves, who I hold in high respect for many reasons.

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Oscar bait? You mean Razzie Award bait?

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To counter the OscarsSoWhite thing and to protest the Trump election, I would not be surprised if it gets nominations that it does not deserve just to stick it to other people and they'll get a free pass for it.
And what sucks is that a worthy movie like Moonlight will probably get ignored.

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You're doing a lot of complaining and I can almost GUARANTEE that you haven't seen the movie yet. How can you be so concern with them telling the truth in the film or telling it right when you have no idea what is said or done in the film.

YES, this movie will be nominated for an Oscar, but it's because the movie is a damn good film & The acting is superb!

Shut up until you watch the movie!

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And I can almost GUARANTEE that you haven't seen this movie yourself.
And it looks like you don't care if they tell the story right and will just accept anything that's told to you and you would buy hook, line and sinker. The Birth of an Nation is about inaccurate as it gets yet people will buy in anyway and people like them and yourself are part of the problem.
Every trailer that's been presented has given the strong indication that it's just a sassed up, pandering, Oscar baiting Lifetime movie of the week instead of an actual Oscar contender.
So, until you can prove this movie is accurate with the facts and not exaggerated or invented to the point of fiction, you can shut up.

These ladies deserve a hell of a lot better than this.

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And I can almost GUARANTEE that you haven't seen this movie yourself.


Good thing people don't bet on your GUARANTEES! I have seen the movie unlike you, the person who've complained on every thread saying the EXACT same thing without seeing the film. Get a Life!

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Whether I have or have not seen it, multiple trailers and commercials have shown the issues I have with this so it really doesn't matter.
Keep in mind, other people here have noticed the same tired tropes and stereotypes in this too.


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Lorimill03 wrote:

You're doing a lot of complaining and I can almost GUARANTEE that you haven't seen the movie yet. How can you be so concern with them telling the truth in the film or telling it right when you have no idea what is said or done in the film.


The trailer available to be seen by all on this very site confirms almost every one of CelluloidAdmirer's criticisms, particularly regarding the transparently phony and trumped up, cliched black girl sass. The preview is an endless stream of race-based cliches. I'd rather see a more serious and sober tone highlighting their struggles and scientific accomplishments. You'd think that black women, especially, would also prefer that to the same old stereotypical garbage. But that's the herd for you...

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I'm American and the first I heard of her was this movie trailer. Other countries textbooks tend to be more factual and well rounded then American ones.

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Because in the USA in the 1960's and earlier just being anything other than a white male christian meant someone was going to be against you. Just being a black woman meant that the playing field was very uneven. Read the book this movie is based on and you'll see how being black and/or being a woman made you a victim if you dared to step outside certain boundaries.

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@aya-ar


So what is with all these racial connections really? Why can't they celebrate a successful intelligent woman without having to make her a victim somehow..ughhh freaking Hollywood.



Since you're not American---let me explain something right quick. First of all, EVERYTHING in America is about race, mainly because white people (the majority here) set it up that way since America began. Second, very few people outside of the STEM fields here have even heard of Katherine Johnson, let alone the other women she worked with. And being a black woman in the space field back then, she had a lot of racism to deal with and a number of barriers to break, and to work harder to prove herself more than the average white man (something most women of any color had to do back then.) So the fact that there were even black women working behind the scenes to make the space race happen back in those days will come as quite a revelation to a hell of a lot of people. Being a black female filmgoer myself, I'm looking forward to seeing it. And the reality is, if she was a white male, she'd be a hell of a lot more well-known by now, and the fact was that even an intelligent and talented black woman had very few options to use her intelligence in pre-civil rights America. I knew very little about Johnson myself before finding out about this film some months ago. Before you start making assumptions, you need to start reading up on American history and find out how discrimination and racism kept capable and talented black folks back a hell of a lot back then.

And fck all these racist hater trolls who haven't even SEEN the film, but swarm to every damn board about a black film and start criticizing it just because it's about black people. Ignore the hell out of them, and go see the film.


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@aya-ar

Also, there is no information about whether this film has even been submitted for Oscar consideration anyway. The only people calling it "Oscar bait" are you, and these stupid racist trolls spewing their racist bull**** all over the board. Every time a positive film about black people comes out, the racists get all riled the hell up and come on these boards to throw a damn fit about it. They're so fckg pathetic----they can't stand to see a film or anything give a black person credit for any damn thing, no matter how hard they worked to get it. It's coming out whether they like it or not. I also never hear them whining about all the white Oscar bait films that come out practically EVERY damn year---funny how they never have NOTHING to say about those, but they pounce on the ONE black film that isn't even released yet. Fck all these stupid racist-a** haters.

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hacktivista wrote:

Every time a positive film about black people comes out, the racists get all riled the hell up


You're a liar. There are a number of completely fair race-neutral criticisms centering on the accuracy of portraying these ladies as the "true brains behind the Apollo program" and as professional mathematicians, as opposed to doing number crunching of which any decently trained engineer is capable. As is natural for you, you disingenuously reduce all criticism to racism. Give yourself a pat on the back for having the mindset that helped elevate a clown like Trump to the presidency.

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Pay her no mind. She clearly has a strong, vile hatred for white people and has attacked anyone with any opinions and views that differs from her labeling them as racist trolls.

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You're a liar.

False.

Go to ANY black-themed movie board around its release time and you will see the posts.

Don't be so ignorant.



Oh what a day! What a lovely day!

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Replied to wrong poster. I didn't call you a liar.

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