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*****SPOILERS*****ABOUT THE ENDING


Just saw this movie at the film festival and I'm a bit confused about the ending.

I was realy shocked that Armando actually snitched on Elder in the end, what the heck?!?

Why do you guys think he did that? I thought he was a lonely gay guy who was attracted to twunks (aka muscular twinks) and finally found happiness with Elder despite their rocky start.

The only explanation I could come up with it goes smt like that: Armando's chosen way of sexual satisfaction was paying younger guys, because he was deeply in the closet. Although he had his own business, his own apartment and considered quite well-off (especially considering the poverty-stricken Venezuelan society) obviously he was still afraid to lose his family, his friends, his social status or suffer other ways because of rampant homophobia, maybe Armando thought his sister would cut all the relationship and would not even let him see his baby nephew if she knew about his attraction to young boys.

When he finally found a boy who is willing to give him what he used to pay, Armanda was struck with a dilemma. If he kept *beep* Elder, he woud have to face his fears as there was no way hiding this relationship in the longterm, so he decided to get rid of the boy despite his deep attraction.

Maybe it has also something to do with Armando's estranged relationship with his own father, I wish the director gave us a clue as to what happened between them, that is one of the mysterious in the movie.

Does anybody have any other theories about the ending? I would love to hear what you guys would come up with...

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My take - **spoilers throughout**

We learn very little about Armando other than he bears murderous feelings towards his father and his sister seems to have some sympathy with his negative feelings regarding their father.

Armando enjoys control and power over young men with fit bodies. He is not interested in them as people; all he wants to see is their naked back and partially exposed buttocks. Their faces and any conversation is redundant. His sexual interest is masturbatory. This is a fetish of sorts and/or a game. Does it mirror a game his father played with him? Armando self-harms in front of Elder to prove he is not a *beep* which is a pejorative description of a homosexual. Self harming and childhood abuse are related. Equally it is a way for Armando to prove there and then to Elder that he is a man and not a *beep*

The title has many meanings one of which is that Armando cannot bear anyone to be close to him. We see this in the film with regards Elder. What does it mean to Armando if someone gets close?

Armando's wardrobe is beige, almost literally. He chooses one of his colourless shirts to wear to a wedding that he has been invited to by Elder. The wedding is colourful and lively. In contrast Armando is grey, lifeless.

Elder breaches Armando's boundaries; he kills his father and then he has sex with him. In the aftermath I suspect it was too much for Armando and he felt ... vengeful? Rageful? Hatred? Disgust? He uses what he can to ensure Elder is removed from his life and in the process Elder follows in his father's footsteps. Ironically Armando's lifestyle might lead him to follow his father's footsteps and be murdered. He came close with Elder!

I think the ending is so full of complexity that it will not be possible to deconstruct it to any ultimate satisfaction. I think this film has as much to say about father-sons as it does sexuality or life in Caracas. I believe Armando came to value Elder as a surrogate son and the crossover into a sexual relationship, which occurred after Elder killed his father, threatened Armando to the core of his being.

A bird sings and the mountain's silence deepens.

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well said!

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Well, my interpretation is the following (SPOILERS).

Armando had a big issue from his past with his father who was known by his sister too. I think Armando was sexually abused as a child by his father which made him an individual who leaves almost like a socialpat , an individual of a few words, no friends, only limited social contact is with his sister and some co-workers ("good morning", that's all he says). As a traumatized person, Armando is unable to have intimate physical contact with another person, and as he prefers boys, all he can do is to touch himself while in the presence of another naked boy.
The fact that his relationship with Elder evolves in a way that Elder falls in love with Armando, there is a moment that Armando allows Elder to cross the line and eventually they have sex. But that turns to be too much to Armamdo who cannot feel attached to another person and feels now that he has a enormous weight to carry on, which is Elder a guy who entered his life, is part of it now and is waiting for him at home. Hence the ending, which was the way Armando found to get rid of the problem and go back to his daily routine in a world he had constructed for himself and where he feels more at ease.

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How about Elder's sexual orientation? Do you think he is bisexual? Perhaps he is straight, but he is touched by what Armando does and replaces his father, who is in prison, with Armando, so he falls in "love" with Armando. What do you think?

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I thought Alfredo instigates the relationship with Elder to use him to kill his father. He plays with him, is hot and than cold, he makes him dependent and pushes him to serve his needs. And than he betrays him to the cops, as his purpose is fulfilled.

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I tend to agree with you. I also think when Elder first attacked him, knocking him out, stealing money & items in the house, etc. I think revenge against Elder was part of what spurred Alfredo to set this all up.


You've done some bad things, sweetie.




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>I thought Alfredo instigates the relationship with Elder to use him to kill his father.

Exactly! This is the whole point of the plot, which most viewers seem to have misssed. Armando "grooms" Elder throughout as a likely candidate for murdering his father (note that he chooses the most vicious of the hustlers). The plot is, in a way, similar to Strangers on a Train. It's only in the final scene that we discover what has been going on.

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Some excellent theories in this thread, yours included. Just one small possible "plot hole" though-

Would not Elder 'spill the beans' completely to the police and detectives? That this guy groomed him and asked him to murder his Father? Or even paid him to do such? (There is no other motive for Elder to kill his Dad) Surely Armando would face some punishment and jail for this.

Why I said possible plot hole is I can see another outcome- The rich have access to great lawyers, and can even bribe the police and prosecutors. It is the word of some slum dog against that of a wealthy member of the community. Still, seems like a risky play on Armando's part.

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I think elder can certainly turn the tides and claim that he was sent over by Armando to kill his father. He can say that he gave him a car, (mechanic can vouch with a check ) that Armando bought the car for Elder. Also, elder can claim that the 2 were in a relationship with many witnesses from the party.

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Fine film, provocative ending. I don't believe it's a matter of Armando choosing the most violent of the young street thugs to groom him to assassinate his estranged father. It's more complicated than that.

Obviously, Armando was traumatized as a child by unknown events that isolated him sexually and emotionally, hence he lives a solitary life and pays young men to show their buttocks for him to masturbate without any further involvement. When Elder batters and robs him of his wallet, Armando does not display any emotion and doesn't report him to the police. Subsequently, despite the attraction Armando feels and the longing glances he casts upon Elder, he never reveals any emotion.

The first time Armando shows an intense emotion is when he vomits after riding an elevator with his father who has just returned to Caracas. Neither his father nor Armando greet each other, and since the father is off-camera we're left to conjecture he no longer recognizes Armando or their break-up was so severe that they no longer acknowledge each other's presences. All we know is that the father is psychically toxic to Armando. Although the narrative is not explicit about this, audiences can conjecture that Armando's affliction is the result of being physically or sexually abused by his father when he was a child.

Another interesting aspect of the story is Armando owning a dental prosthesis lab and living a middle-class existence as his sister does, while the father appears to be a wealthy high-ranking executive. Thus another conjecture is that the father abandoned the family when they were children and Armando's hatred toward him relates to being emotionally and financially disinherited.

Regardless whether the father either abused or abandoned him, Armando hates him and is deeply afflicted by him.

The second time Armando manifest a strong emotion is when Elder tries to rob his safe. Armando cuts himself with a kitchen knife to prove his toughness after claiming he is not a *beep* This outburst reveals him as someone who doesn't identify himself as a homosexual and is willing to hurt himself to prove his masculinity.

Later, when Elder tries to kiss him Armando refuses his advances. Although up to that point he has been driven by his attraction to Elder, he cannot allow the object of his desire to love him in return. Armando is more at ease giving Elder money, buying him a car, or taking him to a restaurant than becoming physically involved or even acknowledging the attraction he feels.

Since Elder knows that Armando would like to see his father dead, he proposes to kill him as an ultimate courtship gift. The narrative does not indicate that Armando has even suggested this, but it shows it as an act conceived by Elder to ingratiate himself with Armando

After Elder has murdered the father, Armando finally surrenders himself and makes love to Elder, only to revert in the morning to his old self. His father's death has not liberated him and he remains unable to love. He realizes he cannot stay with Elder because he needs to re-establish his physical and emotional boundaries. The only solution he sees is to report Elder to the police.

This will not prove to be a satisfactory solution since Elder will also incriminate Armando by revealing to the police their conversations and the location of the bullet shells which he brought to the apartment. Therefore, Armando's call to the police was a not a calculated betrayal but a desperate act to isolate himself again.

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This is a very good analysis. I think you nailed it!!

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