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Former SS men about deniers

posted 7 years ago by quintessenz-80437
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I guess they all must have been "tortured", by those evil German and British authors and filmmakers. There's no other explanation for this.

Oswald Kaduk

"[There are many people today who say that Auschwitz is a lie, no people were gassed?]"

"Well, I just want to say, the people who say this I don't consider as normal, you know. I mean, what happened, we should stay with the truth. These are just people, who deny this, but one cannot deny it, what happened, has happened."

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/05/auschwitz-ss-men-confessing-on-tape_31.html

Video recording of the interview in original language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDzEKkovr0c&t=546

From the documentary "Drei Deutsche Mörder. Aufzeichnungen über die Banalität des Bösen". Ebbo Demant, 1978/99

Josef Klehr

"[There are people, who claim that no Jews were gassed in Auschwitz]"

"No Jews were gassed? Not? I was asked this too. There are some elder ladies who come to visit us [in prison]. This is such a charitable organisation. They want to support us, make us presents on birthday and so on. And I was asked by one of them, were people gassed in Auschwitz? I say, I will tell you openly and honestly, if they were not [gassed], then I would have said, I don't know. But because they were, then I will tell you exactly that people were gassed. What is true, has to remain true. And those who claim that no gassings, I don't understand if he is crazy or dishonest. I myself was – I cannot lie. If one was three, four years in Auschwitz and experienced everything, I am not able to lie and say that no gassings were carried out."

Ebbo Demant (Hg.): Auschwitz – "Direkt von der Rampe weg...". Kaduk, Erber, Klehr: Drei Täter geben zu Protokoll, p. 114. Hamburg: Rowohlt, 1979

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/06/auschwitz-ss-men-confessing-on-tape.html

Josef Erber

"[Mr. Erber, there are people who claim there were no gassings in Auschwitz, what do say on this?]"

"I have to say the following: I had ordered the book 'Das Hexeneinmaleins einer Lüge'. It was about the 6 Million deaths. As they say. And among other things, I found it was written in the book that there were no death factories and so on and so forth, no crematoria and this. And so I wrote to the publisher and asked for the address of the author. After some time, they replied that the author is dead and they were interested, if I write to them about this. And I wrote to them in plain language that this is not true, that the crematoria existed and that they were dismantled during the camp evacuation or before, as the gassings were halted in October 1944. The iron parts were loaded on waggons and should have been sent to Mauthausen in Austria. This happened, I cannot understand, how you can claim today that this is not true etc. I cannot understand it."

"[Do you have an explanation for this?]"

"Well, either these people really do not know it better or they want to pull the wool over ones eyes. But what happened, cannot be denied anymore. It did happen, after all."

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/06/auschwitz-ss-men-confessing-on-tape_30.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDzEKkovr0c&t=2399

Dr. Hans Münch

"When someone says that Auschwitz is a lie, that it is a hoax, I feel hesitation to say much to him. I say, the facts are so firmly determined, that one cannot have any doubt at all, and I stop talking to that person because there is no use. One knows that anyone who clings to such things, which are published somewhere, is a malevolent person who has some personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence."

Bernhard Frankfurter, Die Begegnung. Auschwitz-Ein Opfer und ein Täter im Gespräch, p. 102. Vienna, Verlag für Gesellschaftskritik, 1995. Cited in Robert Jan van Pelt, The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the Irving Trial, p. 291. Indiana University Press, 2002.

Document signed by Münch testfying to the reality of the gas chambers at Auschwitz
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-auschwitz-declaration

Oskar Gröning

[Narrator: "There are even those who deny the reality of what took place here. And it was to confront them that Oskar Gröning finally broke his silence about his own personal history."]

"I see it as my task now at my age to face up to these things that I experienced and to oppose the Holocaust deniers who claim that Auschwitz never happened. And that is why I am here today. Because I want to tell those deniers: I have seen the crematoria, I have seen the burning pits, and I want you to believe me that these atrocities happened. I was there."

From the documentary Auschwitz: The Nazis & The "Final Solution", BBC, 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVfFHJE0e1g
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446610/

Laurence Rees, Auschwitz: The Nazis & The "Final Solution", p. 300. London: BBC Books, 2005

[–] ZortMcFleen 7 years ago

It's a great point.

The Nazis were trying to do two contradictory things at the same time: to commit the industrial-scale mass murder of millions, and simultaneously, to cover-up the crime. They were too successful at the former to have any chance at all of the latter -- although they certainly tried -- and by 1945, as they were forced to retreat from the death camps, they knew the game was up, that it would take half a century to breed someone stupid enough to believe it didn't happen.

[–] yasqothamad 7 years ago

Might be something to do with the fact that they would be thrown into prison and their lives destroyed if they said anything different.

[–] quintessenz-80437 7 years ago

There's only one tiny problem with this theory: Kaduk, Klehr and Erber already WERE in prison since 1965/66, the above-noted interviews were done in 1978, and these SS men were only released from prison in the late 80ies of the last century. As the post-war German judicial system does not know the death penalty they really had nothing to lose anymore.

[–] tkidcharlemagne 7 years ago

You're a retard with no understanding of the law in Germany. It is a crime to even doubt the numbers let alone the act itself. The German stasi state just convicted an 87 year old grandmother twice in one year for casting doubt on the lolohoax. She got ten months in jail. Ursula Haverbeck. Any German who states the holocaust didn't happen will have their life destroyed.

This is an event only and solely based on witness testimony from people who financially gain. There is no forensic evidence. Indeed if you look at Treblinka where it is alleged a million corpses were dug up out of the ground all scientific study of the site reveals zero ground disturbance. Whatever scientific study is done the lolohoax is disproved. Remember the claims of jew lampshades, jew soap, jew shrunken heads. All lies. That was accepted truth for decades. Not a single autopsy ever done on a lolohoax corpse found zyclon b caused death. Not a single one.

[–] quintessenz-80437 7 years ago

You don't get it, do you? I had just posted that Kaduk, Klehr and Erber already WERE in prison at the time they were interviewed and they corrected the deniers of the Shoah. They all had received the sentence of life imprisonment, so their lives actually WERE destroyed already. They had nothing to lose anymore and obviously made their statements freely.

PS: ad hominem attacks only show how weak your arguments are.

[–] tkidcharlemagne 7 years ago

Did they all get out of prison? Presumably if they had gone back on previous statements they'd never have got out. Confessions made whilst their families were alive do not count. All 'death' camps were liberated by the soviets who as you should be well aware used torture rather liberally or are you doubting that.

[–] quintessenz-80437 7 years ago

Did they all get out of prison?

They were only released 8-11 years after the interview, that's not any indication they got "rewarded" at all. Two of them (Klehr, Erber) died within one year or less after their release. The only one who was lucky enough to live for another 8 years was Kaduk. At least two of the three (Kaduk, Klehr) were released because they were declared unfit for imprisonment. It's common practice in Germany that life imprisonment can be converted into release (on probation) under certain conditions (admitting the factuality of the Shoah is not one of them). Minimum time served is 15 years, but only for crimes which are not considered as especially heavy. Each of the three served 20-23 years in prison. It's a safe guess to assume they all were released just because of their very advanced age (83, 84 and 89), and possibly bad health. Unless you have evidence that says otherwise.

Presumably if they had gone back on previous statements they'd never have got out.

Take note that Klehr for example is heavily incriminating himself in the interview by describing in detail how he had put a phenol injection into the hearts of many prisoners at Auschwitz. They describe how they knew of the gassings back then. They are freely admitting their deeds and are essentially confirming their previous statements in the interview.

Confessions made whilst their families were alive do not count.

Grasping at straws a lot? That's quite a construed conspiracy theory now, you are essentially claiming that family members will get thrown into jail by German judges (or worse?) because one of their relatives denies the Shoah? Any documentary proof for this wild allegation?

All 'death' camps were liberated by the soviets who as you should be well aware used torture rather liberally or are you doubting that.

We are talking about Germany's judicial system here, not the Soviet. Those three SS men were sentenced at the conclusion of the Auschwitz trial that took place 1965/66 in Frankfurt, Germany, under the jurisdiction of the new German state, not the Allies. Don't you know that?

[–] tkidcharlemagne 7 years ago

It's common practice in Germany that life imprisonment can be converted into release (on probation) under certain conditions'

No Heimy it's common practice to lock up 87 year great grandmothers for stating the fact that your lolocaust never happened. Try grasping that for a moment. I know as a stinking kik* you'll be very happy about that.

They were released from prison. If they hadn't stated the lolohoax hadn't happened they wouldn't have been released. I can guarantee they were given plea bargains after all the lolohoax requires at least some Germans to back up their statements.

After the war jews allied with British and American army were provably assasinating Germans that had 'escaped' justice let's say. You do acknowledge that there were extra judicial jewish death squads travelling all over Europe killing alleged war criminals. Well don't you??

It is an interesting fact all the alleged 'death' camps were liberated by the soviets; the same regime that blamed the Germans for the Katyn wood massacres that were of course committed by the soviet jewish cheka nkvd shlomos. The same soviets who built crematoria and claimed they were original buildings. The same regime that under jewish dominance murdered tens of millions of Russian Christians in the gulag camps.

The gulag leaders were Yagoda, Berman, Frenkel, Solts, Rappaport. Kaganovich was in charge of the Holodomor where again tens of millions of white Christians died at the hands of a bloodthirsty jew.

Strangely your heimy cousins in heimywood refuse to make movies about Yagoda.

Enjoy

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[–] quintessenz-80437 7 years ago

If they hadn't stated the lolohoax hadn't happened they wouldn't have been released.

Pathetic. Evidence for this wild claim and conspiracy theory? Show us the passages in German law that say that convicted mass murderers sentenced to life in prison can be released ahead of time if they admit to the factuality of the Shoah. See?

As I said, you are grasping at straws to defend a position that is indefensible.

Let's summarize: former SS men corrected the deniers directly and openly and told them how wrong they are, and it is obvious they had nothing to gain from doing so.

PS: your double negation in that sentence does not make sense.

I know as a stinking kik* you'll be very happy about that.

You don't know s**t about me. Plus: I'm against these hate speech laws. Even if it's only to not give deniers a cheap but false pseudo-argument to use. Deniers should be constantly exposed for what they are instead.

[–] ZortMcFleen 7 years ago

I know as a stinking kik* you'll be very happy about that.

Ah, but remember, Holocaust denial has nothing at all to do with anti-Semitism, oh no no no, not *that*.

[–] ranb40 7 years ago

It is a crime to even doubt the numbers let alone the act itself.

As far as I know it takes more than mere doubt. Perhaps you have a link to the German law that supports your claim? Of course not.

This is an event only and solely based on witness testimony from people who financially gain.

What did the Nazi conspirators have to gain after WWII for claiming they murdered the jews?

There is no forensic evidence.

Except for the evidence you ignore.

Remember the claims of jew lampshades, jew soap, jew shrunken heads. All lies. That was accepted truth for decades.

Why did you accept this as truth?

Not a single autopsy ever done on a lolohoax corpse found zyclon b caused death. Not a single one.

Is an autopsy required for that? There is no other way to determine cause of death?

[–] ZortMcFleen 7 years ago

I've got Kid Jewish-Song -- who must really love the Jewish musician Donald Fagan a lot to name himself after one of Fagan's Jewish-written songs -- on ignore, but even the little bits of him poking through in your posts show that he's just ringing the same changes the Holocaust denial movement has been ringing for forty years now, impervious as they are to fact.

And Al Capone never autopsied one of the gang members he'd just gunned down to see whether they'd died of gunshot wounds.

Mothers, don't smoke or drink during pregnancy, or you too might give birth to a Kid Faganlover.

[–] ZortMcFleen 7 years ago

Not a single autopsy ever done on a lolohoax corpse found zyclon b caused death.

And Al Capone never autopsied one of the gang members he'd just gunned down to see whether they'd died of gunshot wounds. It's almost as if the Nazis already knew what killed the Jews whose bodies were being dragged out of the gas chambers.

Mothers, don't smoke or drink during pregnancy, or you too might give birth to a Kid Faganlover.