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So the Scorned Woman is the One in the Wrong


I'm not sure if it mirrors reality well, but from the moment that the pregnant girlfriend called the wife a bitch for outing her everyone seemed to be blaming Dr. Foster. So basically, because she worked hard to support her husband, who wasn't working as hard as he pretended to be because he was screwing someone else, she's the bad guy? Because people are intimidated by her (which has more to do with their self esteem than anything else) she's the one that is in the wrong?

In the end she got a little bit of relief, but not enough. I suppose it would have been too much for the girlfriend to wise up to the fact that her married boyfriend just beat his wife because she discovered that he'd been screwing her over for two years? Or see about three years down the line when he's done the same thing to her.
Schiznik, I know it's just a television show, but it makes me so mad. I guess that's good writing & acting then.

(I really do wish they had wrapped up the old doctor's story a bit though).

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Sadly this movie was being kind than it usually happens for the scorned wife in real life.
In real life the scorned wife is the one everyone avoids, she loses their friends and yeah she (in the film) gets to keep the house, but the scorned wife has to be the father and mother (and bread winner) and think about in this film...Simon has money to move to London and set up home with the younger girlfriend and new baby, where's his money to her and his son. in real life most women may end up with the house but the income is diminished. In this film she's at least a doctor who has a good income.
Even though she got to keep her son and home..Simon seem to get off easy. Yeah she forgave him because she young and naive so even if he beat his wife she excused it because naive girls do that.


what Jordie?

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I believe the real punishment for that girl was to end up with that guy. He wasn't going to change and would probably start cheating on her and using her like he used Gemma once he got bored. I think Gemma ended up with the best deal, got rid of him, kept her job and the house, recovered her money and made her son understand the reality of the separation. I think the best part of the finale for me was the son seeing his mom saving a life, you could see he could respect her and respect women.

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I think Kate did OK - got to move to London with the man she loves, maybe being helped financially by her wealthy parents. Yes it'll probably turn to sh!t, but she can always move back with her family . He didn't too badly, either.

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Yes, his golddigging paid off at last, now he'd got himself a rich girlfriend, probably a wife, now he can do nothing again, living off her parents.

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You're totally right. Even his close friends said so - it's only a matter of time before he starts cheating on the other girl.

It's too cerebral! We're trying to make a movie here, not a film!

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Unfortunately this is what life is like. People will blame others to deflect blame from themselves - it's called cognitive dissonance. That's why, when she confronts the husband, and the other people in their lives - some of whom betrayed her one way and another themselves - they turn the blame back on her. It's not that she is to blame, but it's how people cope with the bad things they and others do in life. "I lied to her, but if she wasn't so x, y and z, I wouldn't have. She deserved it."

This series was so fantastic because it was so real. And like life, everyone is flawed, people don't necessarily get what they deserve and in the end there are no winners. Even when unforgivable things are done to us, the best course of action is to forgive them, because then we can move on, which is what Dr F does.

Brilliantly written, acted and directed.

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Now upon reflecting more on this series...It does irk me how she was portrayed as the negative one. Even the son's reaction irked me..when he started to blame her for working too much and not doing things like he did with his dad. This is something women bear the brunt of today. To not see that she was bringing in the money and making their home lives easier which enabled Dad to play the good guy troubled me. She as the woman is expected to be the sexy siren for the cheating husband, perfect social partner, expected to be the Miss Congenial doctor, perfect mom, manage her doctor's office..and yet she was judged harshly.

I do think that a leopard never changes its spots and her cheating ex husband will cheat on the new girl...but in his son's eye who will grow up and no doubt forgive the dad...at least he did show signs of appreciating that his mother did the best she could for him and did love her son.





what Jordie?

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The husband is going to end up in London and will have more opportunities to stray.

Its that man again!!

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I don't think bringing in the 12 year old son into the argument is helpful. Of course he's going to resent his G.P mother for working long hours!

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It kind of amazes me that everyone here missed out on the "dark" side of dr. Foster.
Remember Mary, the lady who took care of her after her parents died, who said that when she was feeling upset or bitter, "you always exactly knew what to say to hurt people"? Dr. Foster is a mean, manipulative and cruel bitch; she wanted to destroy her husbands future happiness, just like he had done to her.
That's revenge. Gemma tried to ruin the neighbours' marriage too, but was unsuccessful - fortunately.

Why did the husband beat her?
Because she implied that she might have killed their son! She knew Simon loved their son more than he loved her, so she wanted to let him feel agony: the fear that something bad had happened to their son.
Then she told her son everything the father had done - to take away the sons' love for him.
She needs help!

The husband did not end up with any money.
(Gemma took care of that - even ruined future investments for him by making a deal with Kate's father.)
He was not lazy, just business-wise incompetent.
Doctors make long hours, so he had more time to spend with their son, and he did a good job.

Of course it is sad that the husband was cheating and fell in love with the younger girl; of course he did hurt his wife. I do feel for her, but her uncharismatic character made me feel a lot less sympathetic towards her.

*beep* happens, but it could be dealt with in a more civilised way - IMHO.

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First off, your sympathy for the cheating husband who stole all of their money, including the money that her dead parents left for their son is ASTOUNDINGLY misplaced.

Lets go through what her husband did, shall we?

1. Invested all their money including money that belonged to his son's trust fund left by his wife's dead parents in a business that he was clearly incompetent at.
2. Forged her signature on documents to get their house remortgaged without her permission.
3. Slept with someone who was 23 years old, clearly had issues (She was perfectly fine sleeping with a married man, Tom said his mates at school called her a 'slut' because she slept around often)
4. HID an affair of two years from his wife who was supporting him, right down to the shoes he wore and therefore HAD to work long hours - which you clearly blame her for, just like he did.
5. NEVER apologised to his wife for having an affair.
6. HIT his wife and this is after finding out that his son was perfectly fine.
7. Got a girl pregnant whilst STILL MARRIED!
8. Refused to admit to his wife what he was doing even after she gave him opportunity after opportunity to come straight about it.

And you're more concerned with what she did when her whole life was falling apart? People deal with unimaginable pain in their own ways and they are entitled to that without judgement. If you are not in her situation, then I really double you would understand.

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Absolutely right! dazzling_dreamer_2 has hit the nails exactly on the head. Frankly, he got off lightly - forgery is a jail offense. He could be in the chokey - I think she dealt with him very kindly.

I have a suspicion that she may just possibly have provoked him into hitting her to get a retraining order and his violence on record so she got custody. Just a thought.

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[quote]have a suspicion that she may just possibly have provoked him into hitting her to get a retraining order and his violence on record so she got custody. Just a thought. [\quote]
That's the way i saw it to, she knew what she wanted and made it happen.

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douglassb-96290: I don't think she provoked him into hitting her so that she could get custody. Here's what I got out of it: His deception affected her so deeply that she wanted him to experience the same sense of loss that she was going through, because up to that point, it was not resonating with him. Once she hinted that their son was gone, it was only then that you saw the devastation in him, which is exactly what she wanted. Even after their son was found to be OK, she still had a lot of pent up anger over the whole situation. I don't think it had anything to do with custody, and everything to do with making him feel her pain. Remember, she was living with this man, knowing what he was doing and keeping it to herself. Once she had the opportunity to tell him off, it was like a volcano of emotion.

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I think she provoked him, he refused to move out. Making him hitting her would achieve that ( him leaving) with her having custody of their son.

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What you're saying is all true but she did plan to drive him to violence with all that pain he was feeling so she could get him removed from the home. The moment she came out of the ocean everything she did was a cold calculated plan to restore what was lost to her, expose him and get him out of her life, without alienating her son at the same time.

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I didn't even need that whole list. When I found he took HER DEAD PARENTS' money meant for THEIR son's college, that would've been the deal breaker. Forget the affair, forget everything else. That's all I would need. What a selfish and horribly inconsiderate thing to do to your own kid ! And wife ! no. just no.

“The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it”-George Orwell

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agreed!

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It kind of amazes me that everyone here missed out on the "dark" side of dr. Foster.
Remember Mary, the lady who took care of her after her parents died, who said that when she was feeling upset or bitter, "you always exactly knew what to say to hurt people"? Dr. Foster is a mean, manipulative and cruel bitch; she wanted to destroy her husbands future happiness, just like he had done to her.
That's revenge. Gemma tried to ruin the neighbours' marriage too, but was unsuccessful - fortunately.

This.

Kate is totally a self centered, manipulative, little b*tch. But so is Gemma. Simon sure knows how to pick them.

I lost sympathy for her when:
1-She slept with her neighbor's husband. Then attempted to wreck their relationship. That makes her no better than Kate sleeping with her husband.
2-She used her position as a medical professional to learn about her husband's girlfriend.
3-She told Jack having a cheating husband was worse than losing a spouse to death.
4-The way she let Tom find out about Simon's cheating. Heck, most of what she does with Tom. Shows she's so wrapped up in herself that she has no care or interest in the emotional well-being of her child.



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Agree totally, Gemma is pyscho and self centred to the point that she did not have an empathetic bone in her body. This was evidenced in her conversation with Jack. How could she possibly compare a marriage break up to the loss of a beloved partner to cancer for goodness sake ! It doesn't even compare, Jack was correct when he told her marriages break up every day, she needed to get over it and move on.
Who would want her kind of love, it's all about her. Her actions will have consequences. She got her revenge, but at what cost ? She separated a father and son who loved each other unconditionally, she drove her husband out of town, she is remaining in a area which was her ex husband's hometown and most people there don't like her. The fallout from her actions will make her and her son's life miserable.
I am definitely interested to see a second series and see how this plays out.


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. This was evidenced in her conversation with Jack. How could she possibly compare a marriage break up to the loss of a beloved partner to cancer for goodness sake ! It doesn't even compare,


Sorry, I've lost people (yes, more than one) to cancer. I've also been been betrayed. Maybe she should of avoided saying it TO HIM... but what she is still is true.

In her circumstances, the betrayal is worse. Death is natural part of life. That does not it make it easy... but it is natural occurrence. The person who is dying (who "leaves you") is not lying to you. You look back on times you had fondly. Their death is not something they are DOING TO YOU.

To be betrayed the way she was.. the lies for two years. The saying that its over and having THAT be a lie also. The trying to make you look crazy and paranoid in front of others. You question EVERYTHING that has taken place. That day when blah blah blah..and the phone ring. .. was that her??? When we made love that morning.. and you took a long lunch... did you met her?? When or child got in trouble at school and we really needed to talk about... but you had an "important business meeting". Was that her? That night we cuddled in each others arms and watched TV and laughed together and everything seemed right with the world.. did you she her earlier? The next day?

Death is a given. A betrayal is not. Do you realize the amount of lies that have to be told EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR TWO YEARS?? Do you not realzie that EVERY MINUTE OF EVERYDAY OF EVERY WEEK for two years IS A CHANCE TO COME CLEAN??? And they don't?? She gave him an open door to be honest.. she begged him to. And he lied "No, there is no affair". On top of ALL OF THAT... after seeing the pain.. after seeing the danger what his action could cause.. he lies and says its over AND STILL KEEPS SEEING HER.

Sorry, the death of someone hurts.. a betrayal the way he did HURTS MORE. One is natural and out of anyone's control. Not a choice. The other IS a choice, no matter what anyone else tries to convince you. The one that was a CHOICE hurts more.

Such a betrayal pains you more than death. And that is NOT a belittlement of the grief of someone dying. Other people... even strangers.. "have your back" when it comes to death. In betrayal..... you could find out you aren't as close to your friends as you thought.

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Agree totally, Gemma is pyscho and self centred to the point that she did not have an empathetic bone in her body.


Not saying she's innocent, but all that was AFTER she found out she had been betrayed and lied to for 2 years. Yes she went a bit too far in comparing her situation to be worse than Jack's, but in her defense she was under tremendous emotional distress with her husband's cheating, losing all her money, and being forced to leave her job, to the point where she nearly killed herself.

And about breaking up her neighbor's marriage, they knew her husband was a cheater and said nothing and the wife was responsible for writing the nasty online comments, they aren't innocent either.

To be honest, I have to say I really liked Gemma's character BECAUSE they didn't make her out to be totally innocent. Yes, at first she was, but in enacting her revenge she went a bit nuts and did some dark things and THAT is what made this such an entertaining watch.

It would have been so easy for her to just be a victim, but no, she went all Count of Monte Cristo on her husband and it was brilliant. And the fact she was willing to take him back if he stayed away from Kate or at least admitted to cheating speaks to her character.

All he had to do was be a man but instead he was a coward and so she mopped the floor with him psychologically and got to keep her son, her money, and her house.

Revenge is the most important meal of the day.

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THIS. THIS. THIS. All day long. I was trying to think I have the battering my head for months trying to remember what the story felt like thematically. You nailed it on the head count of Monte Cristo and not the movie the actual book where you felt the plots taking shape. Though I do love the movie with Jim Caviezel and Guy Pearce.

The darkness, the tension, the release. Count of Monte Cristo. Thank you.

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I disagree! you missed her whole principle." just don't lie,that is the betrayal"
he was the ruined one.?
he let her support him for years.embezzeled her mortgage,sons college funds her parents left him,took her savings, etc.
she did not try to ruin her friends marriage.she found out he booked the room prior to her coming!so she upfront told him it was blackmail for what info she needed.
yet still gave him another chance and he again chooses kate.
exposes him to her parents to show dad how he seduced his daughter to get investment.

still helped jack and her abused friend.
needed him to hurt her to get the restraing order.hence fiction of her son.
ended up with everything she neede to give her son his home,lifestyle etc.

so many instances,never even told his mother of his adultery,mom brought it up

etc.etc

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Gemma tried to ruin the neighbours' marriage too, but was unsuccessful - fortunately

It's possible she went there to be malicious, though I got the feeling Gemma's motivation was she wished she herself had learned about her husband's affair 2 years prior, and not wasted additional years of her life. She might be doing it imperfectly, but perhaps Gemma's going to the neighbor's wife in the way she wishes someone had come to her.

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Yes, this programme supported the person that was cheating. Nasty, very nasty.

"Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window." - Steve Wozniak

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I think the series successfully portrayed the appalling stress suffered by someone who has been betrayed by a charming but very manipulative partner. She doesn't really have any control of her emotions and feelings, desperately trying to find a way to "save" the marriage and presumably blaming herself for "working too hard".

Personally I liked her even when she was being nasty and unstable, perhaps because I have seen what happens to friends who have going through similar experiences. They become different people, some even had breakdowns as a result of the divorce. In this fictional story she is able to keep her home and son because she knew how to work the system. In real life she would have had to sell her home and perhaps lose custody of her son because her husband cleverly presented her as being "mad".

It will be interesting to see what happens in the second series. It's clear that Simon wasn't that keen to actually leave his wife and I really felt sorry for his young girlfriend, who will undoubtedly face the same situation within a few years.

A really excellent series!



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Their marriage was so *beep* up. Everyone involved is a liar except Gemma, but she was so stupid to leave her POS deadbeat cheating husband in charge of her money and not to ask any questions for years. The man had no stable income, so why should he be in charge of their finances?

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She's not in the wrong.

I think you're reading too much into this.

She was wronged, she's out for revenge. Its like the plot to a martial arts movie. Her husband is a con-man.

Is anybody else reminded of another 'Gemma' who is a bad ass? #SonsofAnarchy

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