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What the heck does the NRA have to do with black people shooting eachother? These gang members are obtaining their weapons illegally... So WTF??

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But the guns are being funneled into these communities somehow, some way.


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Education is being funneled into the communities, but you don't see them packing that.

The local schools are not unproductive because of the government, they are unproductive due to the students which walks into those buildings everyday, and the parent or if lucky enough parents who are responsible for instilling into the child something more important than false and counterproductive ideologies.

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Education is being funneled into the communities, but you don't see them packing that.


You are more right then you realize.


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That's Father Pleger, though. The NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the country but they are the kind of scapegoat he loves to blame rather than hold negroes accountable for their actions. The NRA, suburbanites, banks, politicians, warm weather, phases of the moon, global warming and, above all, white people. He's the #1 reason I never, ever give money to Catholic Charities.

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Agreed.

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Oh,please---the NRA isn't a damn "civil rights" organization----that makes a mockery of true civil rights organizations. GTFOOH with that BS.

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More repressive platitudes. All of that nanny statist tripe is not going to reverse the cultural rot that has led the most at-risk of the black community to where they are today.

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The police in Chicago released the finding that 80% of the guns they confiscated were purchased legally. Straw buyers are a huge problem. And in some states like Indiana it's barely illegal.

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Well you're a dumb racist so I don't know that you'll understand what I'm saying. The access to education, employment, and decent living situations causes crime in all ethnic groups. When the Irish were denied these things they were thought by racists of that time to be nothing more than drunken brawlers. Now imagine if everyone one of those Irishmen in the mid 1800s had easy access to semi-automatic weapons.

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Now, since you brought up the relationship between poverty and crime (albeit in a muddled and pointless fashion) here are some facts about black "poverty" and crime.

U.S. homicide rates, 2011
Whites (including latinos): 2.8 per 100,000
U.S. overall: 4.7 per 100,000
Blacks: 17.3 per 100,000

U.S. poverty rates, 2011
Whites (not including latinos): 9.7%
Overall: 15.2%
Blacks: 27.2%

The black homicide rate was 6.2 times the white-plus-latino rate (which was higher than the white only rate) and 3.7 times the overall rate.

The black poverty rate was just 2.8 times the white rate and 1.8 times the overall rate.

Clearly there is something else beyond "poverty" that is driving black crime rates, especially with the many forms of public assistance that are readily available. It's thug culture.

Sources:

U.S. DOJ Bureau of Justice
Homicide in the U.S. Known to Law Enforcement, 2011
Table 1 Number and rate of homicides in the U.S., by victim demographic characteristics, 2002–2011
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hus11.pdf

CNN Money article "5 disturbing stats on black-white inequality" based on 2011 U.S. census data.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/21/news/economy/black-white-inequality/

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Now, since you brought up the relationship between poverty and crime (albeit in a muddled and pointless fashion) here are some facts about black "poverty" and crime.

U.S. homicide rates, 2011
Whites (including latinos): 2.8 per 100,000
U.S. overall: 4.7 per 100,000
Blacks: 17.3 per 100,000

U.S. poverty rates, 2011
Whites (not including latinos): 9.7%
Overall: 15.2%
Blacks: 27.2%

The black homicide rate was 6.2 times the white-plus-latino rate (which was higher than the white only rate) and 3.7 times the overall rate.

The black poverty rate was just 2.8 times the white rate and 1.8 times the overall rate.

Clearly there is something else beyond "poverty" that is driving black crime rates, especially with the many forms of public assistance that are readily available. It's thug culture.

Sources:

U.S. DOJ Bureau of Justice
Homicide in the U.S. Known to Law Enforcement, 2011
Table 1 Number and rate of homicides in the U.S., by victim demographic characteristics, 2002–2011
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hus11.pdf

CNN Money article "5 disturbing stats on black-white inequality" based on 2011 U.S. census data.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/21/news/economy/black-white-inequality/
Where is the individual responsibility here?

Also, I will point something else out here if I might, and that is that the homicide rate fell in Australia after they enacted their gun laws in the 1990's. Gun-control advocates like to credit the drop in homicides Down Under to the law. The law mandated that certain firearms be turned in (with compensation) to the government for destruction.

However, the USA also experienced a drop in homicides over the same period with no such draconian law. The Assault Weapon Law passed in 1993 simply stopped the manufacture for civilians of these firearms but allowed for their possession by those who had them prior to the law. The AWB law sunsetted in 2004.

BTW, the US homicide rate is still dropping. How do the gun control advocates explain the continued drop in the US rate?

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I'm not sure if you caught this.

Clearly there is something else beyond "poverty" that is driving black crime rates, especially with the many forms of public assistance that are readily available. It's thug culture.


There is no personal responsibility. That's the problem.

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I'm not sure if you caught this.

Clearly there is something else beyond "poverty" that is driving black crime rates, especially with the many forms of public assistance that are readily available. It's thug culture.


There is no personal responsibility. That's the problem.
If you are waiting for me to agree with you, wait no longer. I have said the same thing for years.

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wait, I thought it was the lack of Oscar nominations that was the cause?

now I'm confused....

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Of course.

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"However, the USA also experienced a drop in homicides over the same period with no such draconian law. The Assault Weapon Law passed in 1993 simply stopped the manufacture for civilians of these firearms but allowed for their possession by those who had them prior to the law. The AWB law sunsetted in 2004." gary_overman » Mon Feb 8 2016 03:58:38

The only difference between an "Assault Weapon" and a rifle is merely cosmetic add-on which does little to affect it's killing potentials. Yes an Assault weapon can fire more rounds, but a rifle can shot a much more deadly rounds than an AR-15 or a Bushmaster.

U.S. homicide rates are dropping because of the way crimes are statically counted, plus less crimes are reported. And the advancement in emergency medical intervention.

Someone has to die before it's considered homicide.

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"However, the USA also experienced a drop in homicides over the same period with no such draconian law. The Assault Weapon Law passed in 1993 simply stopped the manufacture for civilians of these firearms but allowed for their possession by those who had them prior to the law. The AWB law sunsetted in 2004." gary_overman » Mon Feb 8 2016 03:58:38

The only difference between an "Assault Weapon" and a rifle is merely cosmetic add-on which does little to affect it's killing potentials. Yes an Assault weapon can fire more rounds, but a rifle can shot a much more deadly rounds than an AR-15 or a Bushmaster.

U.S. homicide rates are dropping because of the way crimes are statically counted, plus less crimes are reported. And the advancement in emergency medical intervention.

Someone has to die before it's considered homicide.
Perhaps the advancement in emergency medical care is a factor because , like you point out, there has to be a death in order for it to be called a homicide.

However, I seriously doubt that the homicides that do occur are being under-reported. This might have been the case many years ago, but the advances in forensic science makes it hard to hide murder. Not impossible, of course, but hard.

Still, my point was that the gun-control advocates gave the 1997 law in Australia credit for that country's drop in homicides. However, even without a similar or even a much less drastic law, there was also a corresponding drop in the USA that they have to account for. Yet this question is seldom asked of those who advocate strict Aussie-style gun-laws in the USA, let alone answered.

In short, while I concede advances in emergency care as a definite factor in reducing the homicide rates, I doubt that the homicides that do occur are being under-reported. A few, perhaps, but not that many.

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The police in Chicago released the finding that 80% of the guns they confiscated were purchased legally. Straw buyers are a huge problem. And in some states like Indiana it's barely illegal.

This is a ridiculous argument. If that is the problem then why aren't people in Indiana killing each other in greater numbers than the people in Chicago?

Obviously the problem isn't the availability of guns - it's the people themselves. We need to change the culture of violence that is in such places and start blaming the people, not the tools they use.

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The police in Chicago released the finding that 80% of the guns they confiscated were purchased legally. Straw buyers are a huge problem. And in some states like Indiana it's barely illegal.



This is a ridiculous argument. If that is the problem then why aren't people in Indiana killing each other in greater numbers than the people in Chicago?

Obviously the problem isn't the availability of guns - it's the people themselves. We need to change the culture of violence that is in such places and start blaming the people, not the tools they use.
Excellent point, and one that I hasve made myself from time to time. And I'll point out as well, that the person you quoted is also making a false argument, because straw buyers (that is, those who purchase guns for those barred from having them) are committing a federal crime. It is illegal to do it in Indiana, just as it is illegal to do it in Chicago.

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Keep your guns, please. That way those of us living in civilized places (aka anywhere but the flyover) can just sit back and let you mouth breathing trailer trash wife beater-wearing morons shoot eachother all to death, and then those of us living in 2016 can populate the heartland and bring it into the 21st century.


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Keep your guns, please. That way those of us living in civilized places (aka anywhere but the flyover) can just sit back and let you mouth breathing trailer trash wife beater-wearing morons shoot eachother all to death, and then those of us living in 2016 can populate the heartland and bring it into the 21st century.
I fully intend to keep mine, thank you very much.

mouth breathing trailer trash wife beater-wearing morons


Personally, I am none of these things, nor are most gun-owners. I am a gun-owner, though and I find this type of baseless stereotyping quite common among those who don't believe in the right to arms. It is actually nothing more than name-calling. And when name-calling is resorted to, it tells me that the person doing it does not have any real arguments to bring to the table.

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It was a way to blame 'the white man' for black people killing eachother. Which, not to be racist is not a very uncommon thing to do for some in the black community.




Sometimes it's better to keep the genie in the bottle.

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