Villain for season 2? - Stranger Things (2016) Discussion

[–] pmfg_pan 7 years ago

First of all, Dr. Brenner is not gone for good. He was mentioned in the newspaper article of the final episode and the Duffer brothers also confirmed that he is not dead. However, it appears that he either won't be in Season 2 or that he is only going to have a small role.

As for who the new villain going to be. There is going to be this new character in the Lab called Dr. Owens (played by Paul Reiser), who is going to be in charge to contain the events from last year. So if any person is going to be a villain, then it's probably him. Altough the Duffer brothers have implied in interviews that the people in the Lab are maybe going to be less antagonistic than they were in Season 1.

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[–] billymac72 7 years ago

I hadn't heard that about Reiser yet (I don't scan for the latest ST news). Interesting choice. I suppose most of us remember him from "Mad About You," but he was also a fairly smarmy corporate exec in "Aliens." I'm sure they are riffing on that 80s role more than anything. Should be interesting.

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[–] bubafin 7 years ago

Reiser is great in Red Oaks which is a show set in the 80s as well.

Should be interesting indeed.

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[–] shopaholic818 7 years ago

I totally missed the newspaper article part. What did it say? I just remember him being eaten by the monster.

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[–] pmfg_pan 7 years ago

I totally missed the newspaper article part. What did it say?

It said that "Brenner has issued no comment on...", which means that he survived. My guess is that the government is making a scapegoat out of him, since he is the main responsible for everything that happened in Season 1.

http://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Stranger-Things-Finale-Newspaper-Article-42014837

I just remember him being eaten by the monster.

We only saw the Monster jumping on him. Then the scene moved away.

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[–] shopaholic818 7 years ago

Oh, ok I must have missed that newspaper part. Is Dr. Brenner Eleven's father? She calls him Papa and Terry Ives got pregnant while staying at the lab. We are supposed to believe that 11 is Jane Ives right?

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[–] jordan_thewizard 7 years ago

I say no, Eleven is just groomed to think of him as her father so she'd be more cooperative. I think Terry Ives was already pregnant when she first volunteered for MK Ultra but wasn't far enough along to notice.

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[–] shopaholic818 7 years ago

I wonder if they'll cinfirm who her parents are in Season 2. I hope to see her reunited with her mom.

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[–] chrisjdel 7 years ago

Yeah, I'd like to see that reunion as well. Terry Ives' condition may be due to some bond she shares with her daughter. The things they did at the lab could have affected the mother as well. So Eleven may be able to help her. The big question of course is, who's the father? If Terry Ives recovers she can always tell us.

I'm guessing Modine will be in this season, but Reiser (having been sent by the powers that be to clean up his mess) will be in charge. Brenner will be frustrated with how the guy treats him, like a second rate lackey, when he's used to being el jefe at the lab. That dynamic promises to be full of tension. And yes, I assume Paul Reiser will be channeling Burke the corporate sleazebag from Aliens for this role. I can even picture him with samples of Upside Down organisms (maybe including baby demogorgons) and refusing to consider destroying them. Absolutely not, these are valuable assets! Just think of the applications!

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[–] pmfg_pan 7 years ago

I'm guessing Modine will be in this season, but Reiser (having been sent by the powers that be to clean up his mess) will be in charge. Brenner will be frustrated with how the guy treats him, like a second rate lackey, when he's used to being el jefe at the lab.

I actually believe that Dr. Brenner will most likely be completely out of Season 2 and maybe just return in Season 3. After the who whole mess he caused in Season 1 it would make total sense for the government to make a scapegoat out of him and to remove him completely from the Lab.

Then later in the story I could imagine 011 going through some health issues, since the constant nose bleading suggest that using her powers isn't really healthy for her. So in that case it would make sense for them to be forced to contact the disgraced scientist Dr. Brenner, since he knows Eleven's case better than anyone else.

And yes, I assume Paul Reiser will be channeling Burke the corporate sleazebag from Aliens for this role.

The Duffer brothers have actually said that he is going to have a completely different role.

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/818240722763530242

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[–] chrisjdel 7 years ago

Then later in the story I could imagine 011 going through some health issues, since the constant nose bleading suggest that using her powers isn't really healthy for her.

The bleeding may simply be caused by capillaries rupturing from pressure generated by her use of telekinesis. In that case there should be no long term effects at all - unless of course she pushes hard enough to burst a bigger blood vessel in her brain, or something along those lines. I imagine she'd know before it happened though. And the pain would probably be unbearable long before she got to that point.

The Duffer brothers have actually said that he is going to have a completely different role.

So, maybe a few borrowed lines delivered in a different context but otherwise a whole new character. Interesting.

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[–] pmfg_pan 7 years ago

The bleeding may simply be caused by capillaries rupturing from pressure generated by her use of telekinesis. In that case there should be no long term effects at all - unless of course she pushes hard enough to burst a bigger blood vessel in her brain, or something along those lines.

Maybe. But my point is that there could be some story potential if the writers decide to go in that direction. At least, that's how I imagine a future return of Dr. Brenner to happen. Basically with him first being completely out of the picture due to being responsible for the whole mess in Season 1, but then later returning when his expertise about 011's case is going to be required.

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[–] pmfg_pan 7 years ago

Is Dr. Brenner Eleven's father? She calls him Papa and Terry Ives got pregnant while staying at the lab.

That's an open question. I am personally inclined to believe that he isn't her real father, because I couldn't imagine him giving her the name of a number if that's the case.

However, Millie Bobby Brown seems to have implied in some interviews that he is her father. So I don't know if accidentally revealed some behind-the-scenes info from the Duffer brothers or if it's just an assumption by her since 011 calls him "Papa".

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[–] shopaholic818 7 years ago

Well he couldn't call her by her real name, Jane. If he's her father,then I'm sure only, He, Terry and 11 know it. And maybe a few other people on his payroll.

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[–] pmfg_pan 7 years ago

Well he couldn't call her by her real name, Jane. If he's her father,then I'm sure only, He, Terry and 11 know it. And maybe a few other people on his payroll.

He could have given her a completely different "normal" name. But given her the name of that number and even tattooing it on her arm isn't exactly the kind of stuff a father would do, even with him being abuse.

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[–] alvarezbruna 7 years ago

the demogorgon

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[–] McGrit 7 years ago

Since they borrowed from X-Men already... go Dark Phoenix or Dark Eleven as it were.

"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man."

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[–] pmfg_pan 7 years ago

Since they borrowed from X-Men already... go Dark Phoenix or Dark Eleven as it were.

I hope this is not the case. That would be too much on the nose. Besides, Eleven is already on itself a quiet dark character who already killed a dozen of people. So no need to come up with a cliché "dark" transformation storyline for her.

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