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The man voted ‘greatest ever Briton’ was a vile racist, imperialist and eugenics enthusiast


https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/what-darkest-hour-doesnt-tell-you-about-winston-churchill

TODAY the latest Winston Churchill film, Darkest Hour, opens in British cinemas. It is already being tipped for the Oscars, with Gary Oldman’s portrayal of Churchill at the helm of speculation.

I can attest, having already seen the film, that Oldman’s performance is indeed brilliant, but let us be clear. While it is a great piece of cinema that, artistically speaking, deserves, and will almost certainly receive, numerous awards, it is also a film that glorifies a certifiably vile man.

When watching we should bear in mind that Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill, the man voted “greatest Briton” by the British public in 2002, was not just a “terribly inconsiderate man,” as one of his secretaries once described him. In fact, she said she’d “never known anyone who was so inconsiderate.” He was also a staunch imperialist, a racist supremacist and a eugenicist who advocated the forced sterilisation of the mentally ill, prevention of their marriage and their internment in compulsory labour camps.

In December 1910, aged 36, Churchill wrote to prime minister Herbert Asquith warning of the “unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes” (general terms then used to describe the mentally ill and impaired).

Their rapid growth, he argued, coupled with the “steady restriction [of the] thrifty, energetic and superior stocks” (folks like himself, of course), constituted “a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate.”

He argued that they should be “sterilised” or “segregated under proper conditions so that their curse died with them and was not transmitted to future generations.”

He told Parliament of the need for compulsory labour camps for “mental defectives” and that for “tramps and wastrels […] there ought to be proper labour colonies where they could be sent for considerable periods and made to realise their duty to the state.”

As he put it, “100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilised and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race.”

Only a decade earlier, at the age of 26, Churchill had declared his life’s commitment to the “improvement of the British breed.”

As historian John Charmley, author of Churchill: The End of Glory: A Political Biography (1993), wrote, “Churchill saw himself and Britain as being the winners in a social Darwinian hierarchy.”

Indeed, the reality omitted from most depictions of our “greatest Briton,” including from Darkest Hour, is that he was both a right-wing nationalist and a white supremacist. It should be no surprise that the far right has always idolised him, from the BNP, EDL and Britain First to neoconservatives in the US).

When speaking in 1902 of the “great barbaric nations who may at any time arm themselves and menace civilised nations,” he asserted that the “Aryan stock is bound to triumph.”

In 1937, aged 62, he justified mass genocide of indigenous peoples on the grounds of white supremacy, announcing to the Palestinian Royal Commission: “I do not admit [...] that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia.

“I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly-wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”

Of Palestinians themselves he said that they are just “barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung.”

But what of the argument that he was a product of his time — didn’t everyone think like that back then?

As historian Richard Toye has shown in his book, Churchill’s Empire: The World That Made Him and the World He Made (2010), they didn’t.

Many of Churchill’s colleagues saw him at the more extreme end of racist and imperialist ideology, referring to him as a “Victorian” because of his outdated views.

Prime minister Stanley Baldwin was warned by Cabinet colleagues not to appoint him and his doctor Lord Moran said of his approach to Chinese and Indians: “Winston thinks only of the colour of their skin.”

It should be no surprise then that he was vehemently opposed to Indian independence, declaring that Gandhi “ought to be lain bound hand and foot at the gates of Delhi, and then trampled on by an enormous elephant with the new viceroy seated on its back. Gandhi-ism and everything it stands for will have to be [...] crushed.”

He would later remark: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.”

It also warrants noting here his advocacy for the use of chemical weapons to repress other peoples under Britain’s imperial rule.

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When Iraqis and Kurds revolted against British rule in northern Iraq in 1920, Churchill, then secretary of state at the War Office, said: “I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes. It would spread a lively terror.”

Of course, you will detect none of this side of Churchill from watching the Darkest Hour because, as usual, he is portrayed as a flawed but lovable rogue who endeavoured virtuously to save democracy and the free world from the jaws of fascism.

The problem with this cliched narrative, however, is that, contrary to virtually every mainstream account, Churchill was in fact explicitly and openly supportive of fascism prior to the second world war, notably in Italy.

He wrote lovingly to Mussolini: “What a man! I have lost my heart! […] Fascism has rendered a service to the entire world […] If I were Italian, I am sure I would have been with you entirely.”

As late as 1935 he wrote affectionately of Hitler: “If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.”

Like the US government and much of the British Establishment at the time, including the royal family and the intelligence services, Churchill enthusiastically favoured fascism as a bulwark against Bolshevism and only became overtly anti-fascist when German expansionary ambitions directly threatened the empire.

None of this is an exaggeration. You can, as is nowadays fashionable to say, “fact-check” it all. And this is to illustrate but a fraction of Churchill’s odiousness.

The truth is that, behind the cult-like worship and glorification of him that plagues the Anglosphere, manifested in films like Darkest Hour, Churchill was in reality a horrid man who, if around today, would most certainly be ridiculed and reviled by decent-minded folk for the hideously archaic views he possessed.

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Americans love Churchilll... His role during World War II and the speeches, etc... That's what matters to them and it comes in a up-sized cartoonishly British packaging...

It would be great to see a nuanced portrayal of Churchill, but I think that apart from the hero worship films that will continue, we're more likely to see a polemic against him at some point than a complex film that has the mindfullness to be able to contend with holding two opposing ideas, one is the patriotic stance that Churchill took during the war against Nazi Germany and the other, his imperialism...

He was a war time prime minister during an existential war for the country... No matter what his other failings were, we are never likely to be rid of hero worship or of idolising him... But we can aspire to have a fuller, more nuanced understanding of what kind of politician he was, his decisions while in office, his ideology and the context he was operating in... to bring him in the level of a man and not a god/icon...

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Moral lectures from Communists, always good for a laugh.

I have no idea how you managed to copy and paste that so well whilst wearing a "GO ISIS! #1!" novelty foam finger on each hand.

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Haha, Prophet Muhammad is probally his number one hero!

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People these days lack perspective, especially kids. Like, they don't even have the simple ability to say "well he wasn't exactly the only one who used to say things like that in those days". So you are trying to exploit the naive youth to hate the guy who basically lead the world to beat the Nazis, not only by inspiring Britons with great leadership but also by convincing a skeptical American congress that the war in Europe was worth fighting (when they just wanted to ignore Europe's problems). For what brilliant purpose are you trying to get people to hate Churchill? You don't even have a coherent agenda, it's just mindless, self-indulgent whitey-hating.

Where's your objection to the current-day crimes of ISIS? I don't see that news site you linked to complaining about the genocidal nutters of ISIS who want to kill, gas or rape everyone who isn't a Muslim. The Morning Star is a vile pile of garbage read by braindead morons like you.

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Morning Star is a left-wing British daily tabloid newspaper with a focus on social, political and trade union issues. The paper was founded in 1930 as the Daily Worker by the Communist Party of Great Britain.

I couldn’t care less that the heroes who liberated Europe against the Nazis had views on life different to mine, they’re products of their time, it’s just too bad USA and the British Empire didn’t wipe out the Communist threat too.


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i didn't realise that the OP was an article from a newspaper... Thanks for pointing that out...

Seems like he's only interested in a monologue anyway...

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Having seen the movie since my earlier post, the movie contends withs a very small time period, from Churhill coming into office as Prime Minister (spoilers 😉😂) to the decision to comit to project dynamo and the evacuation of the troops at Dunkirk rather than to negotiate with Germany...

It's not a biography of his political career...

Some of his past failing are alluded to as are his personal eccentricities and some of his elitism portrayed as aloofness...

So no, it isn't the movie that contrast's Churchill's decisions to keep fighting Germany, with his past failings... Nor is it the movie that asks interesting questions about whether or not Chuchill's love for empire was a factor in Britain remaining independent from German control...

Sometimes we would rather "vile" people do the right thing for potentially the "wrong" reason rather than see the alternative...

Maybe sometime in the future we'll see a movie that has that complex a portrayal of Churchill...

I don't agree that he would be reviled and shunned by people today... He would of an imperial time, so we cannot say for sure what his stance on issues would be when Britain is a much less influential and dominant country. He would probably be a right-wing figure, but also an opportunist. Lots of similar types in power in democracies around the word or contenders for it.

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You forgot "progressive" in the title, eugenics was their policy too. Great statement about the Palestinians!

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Awake247 I have struggled with this. My whole life WC has been shown in a mostly positive light. Years ago I visited the WC museum in London. Recently a friend sent me this article (forgive that I don’t know how to post it as an active link):

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/03/09/when-will-there-be-a-film-on-winston-churchill-the-barbaric-monster-with-the-blood-of-millions-on-his-hands.html

Frankly reading this made me sick. He’s done some horrible things to say the least. I wonder if he was a product of his time and that’s just how people were back then. Maybe it’s not fair to judge him by our evolved 2018 morals. Or maybe we need to rewrite the script entirely and stop worshiping this man. I don’t know it’s a tough one. I’m North American so maybe I have less to lose for getting it wrong.

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"Our evolved 2018 morals."

I suspect that every age thought THEY were the ones who had reached the highest state of moral evolution. But frankly it sounds quite pompous and self-righteous.

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Never said we did reach the highest state of moral evelution. We are still very screwed up in so many ways and we probably always will be but there have been many gains since Churchill’s time. Just like how 200 years before Churchill they would brutally torture traitors/criminals to death in public. England evolved from that. It’s ok to claim moral superiority against some things and if you think it sounds pompous then that’s your problem. Did you at least skim the article?

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I looked at the article, yes. My issue is less with your view of Churchill specifically and more with this idea people always have of THEIR society being the most morally advanced.

I imagine that everyone feels this way in their own time. I often feel, however, in many ways we have morally regressed. We could always argue individual issues--I'm sure we'd agree that we are in a better state now in terms of civil rights than we we're 50 years ago--but I think in many respects we have gone backward since that time as well.

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The Toronto Star is Canada's far-left paper. Not outright Commie like the OP's though.

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