I thought them making this into a movie would've been good thing but it's still just really disappointing, The main character would just be a nightmare in real life as he just can't make up his mind who wants to be with going along hurting people as it goes it should have ended with him being a Russell Tovey and not that other odd guy. Very disappointed given it two stars.
shareRussell Tovey is the odd fellow.
shareI disagree, I felt like it was a nice closure on all relationships while still leaving some doors open. Patrick was messed up throughout those two seasons, but in the movie we see that he finally is mature enough to stop running away, take what he wants and move on from the past.
Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light.
I would have believed that Patrick matured if he hadn't gotten back with Richie after hearing Kevin tell him that he loved him and why didn't he try to work it out. The conversation at the end with Patrick convincing Richie to give their relationship a second chance left out the part about Kevin being in love with him. I do accept that he moved in with Kevin because Richie had wanted a commitment from him and he stalled. Also, Kevin might not be the one, but Richie isn't the one either at this point either. And I bet season 3 could have explored this, picking up with how Patrick chose him. The timing of the choice, since he was giving up his rights to the game, he would discuss this with Richie. Unless, they were not going to deviate from the old playbook, and endgame is Patrick and Richie.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
But I dont think Patrick needed to tell Richie that Kevin told him he was in love with him. Exes say that kind of stuff all the time.
The only issues I have with Patrick ending up with Richie is:
1)The show is called looking. Granted it only made it 2 seasons, I felt like the premise of the show was that the main character/s were supposed to be dating all over the place. Going through failed relationships. etc... but Patrick the main character essentially meets his end game in the first episode and has one other relationship?
2) Richie is lost right now. Patrick seems to have his life together? and hes going to give up a great job/ and another great job offer to move to texas with Richie? I get that Richie needs to move go out and find himself, but why isnt richie just moving to denver? Patricks giving up his life and career to be with someone who doesnt know what he wants in life.......
Maybe it's more about them growing up, maturing? I see your point where everyone seemed to stopped growing when we meet them in season 1. They appear happy. If the show had made it, maybe their growth would be explored in additional seasons, like the show "Six Feet Under". And you make very good assessments in 2 about Richie and Kevin. If I could believe that Patick has become the "rock" in the relationship, maybe he could wait for Richie. Because they aren't on the same page as you point out.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
I took from the last scene that Patrick was responding positively to his friends' urging to come back to San Francisco. I believe that Richie is also tacitly agreeing to San Francisco for their future (no Denver and no Texas).
shareI didnt see it that way because Richie never gave Patrick an answer about Texas when they were outside. His friends tapped on the window for them to come inside. I saw that look as are you in with me coming to texas with you, if not I'll tell them Im moving back.
shareI thought the main thing was that they were discussing whether they'd get back together or not. They have three options, San Francisco, Denver or Texas. But what Richie seems to be really hesitant about is not about where they'll live, but whether he can trust Patrick with his heart again. The last question that Patrick asks Richie is whether he wants to try and be with him. When they're inside the diner and Richie nods his head in the affirmative, I took it to mean that he's in, he's willing to be with Patrick. I think what they will do and where they will settle is not necessarily answered here, they'll figure that out afterwards. What's essential is that they are making a commitment to each other in that moment. The rest is details.
sharePatrick had dated Dom long ago, he met some dude in a park in the first epi, snagged a guy in the bar during the movie, and dated around in Denver, so not sure why you want to challenge the premise whether he is 'Looking'. We don't even know that Richie is endgame anyway. And Patrick hasn't given up his career either. He explained to Richie how his career will allow them to be together.
shareI would have believed that Patrick matured if he hadn't gotten back with Richie after hearing Kevin tell him that he loved him and why didn't he try to work it out
I thought that conversation showed us that Patrick has a choice. He's not back with Richie because he can't have Kevin or whatever. He can still have him if he wants to. Nope, Patrick very consciously closes the door on that relationship and chooses Richie over Kevin. In fact, this epitomized Patrick's maturation: his whole relationship with Kevin evolved, as he said himself in episode 210, as an attempt to prove a point and to defy his friends' low expectations of him. The old Patrick, upon getting this challenge from Kevin, might have jumped back in and tried to go for this guy again just to prove Kevin wrong about him, that he's not a coward. This mature Patrick hears him out but doesn't have to prove a thing to him. He goes on, doing what is right for himself, not for others.
Good assessment, I just don't see it. I didn't see the work. What I heard was the same ole thing. Kevin asked for him to try, him registering how Kevin felt, and because he didn't try, he won't be blamed. Then he sees Richie, who he knew he had hurt, and probably stilled care for, and jump in again.
Maybe he did make the finally leap that the relationship was over with Kevin, I didn't see it in his actions or facial expressions. Heck, someone else had to tell him to talk to Kevin. He didn't come to any of the growth steps by himself. Nope, I choose to believe that the time away didn't provide any growth.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
He closed the chapter with Kevin - his last tie to the man was the app that they created together, their "baby" if you will, and he's walking away from that. You didn't see that in Patrick's facial expressions? Funny, I thought it was incredibly clear, maybe clearest, when Kevin says they can't ever really be friends and Patrick, though in pain, has to agree with him.
Patrick's maturation is present in a lot of things in the movie, in not falling back in with Kevin just because he was challenged to, in committing to a relationship with Richie and being able to tell him that he's in love with him (and with conviction, not just as a spur of the moment reaction to something that his partner did, a sentiment he later on isn't even convinced was in fact there because when Kevin questions him, his answer is ultimately "I certainly liked the idea of us"), but it's also in the way that he deals with his friends and can be a source of support and help to them. Even when he makes his speech he manages to not make it about himself, despite others doubting he's capable of that.
I don't think Patrick just "jumped in" with Richie, I think their ending together was the culmination of a long process he had with Richie - of being with him, falling in love with him, getting scared and losing him and then longing for him for so long. Yet because he didn't want to *beep* things up for Richie, he still doesn't make a move, not until Richie comes to him. You can see it or not, but that's what I saw in the movie.
Nope, I didn't see much of how you take it. And I didn't see the chemistry between the leads this time. Nope.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
I would have believed that Patrick matured if he hadn't gotten back with Richie after hearing Kevin tell him that he loved him and why didn't he try to work it out.
I admit that love is different for people. But Patirck runs from commitment and doesn't come up with an action plan until someone else prompts him. As for how they got together, who wants to be with someone out of duty. I fault Kevin for not being honest with John. Maybe he couldn't tell John out of duty, they don't say. But something was holding him to John. But he did man-up. Kevin wasn't in love with John. But (I think) he was afraid to be alone. Too bad we want know for sure. As for Patrick, yeah he made a bad choice in my opinion.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
I fault Kevin for not being honest with John. Maybe he couldn't tell John out of duty, they don't say. But something was holding him to John. But he did man-up. Kevin wasn't in love with John.
Patrick didn't mention Kevin to Richie because it wasn't relevant to him or to their future relationship; he's not in love with Kevin so what does it matter?
The scene between K&P proved that Patrick has moved on emotionally whether or not Kevin has. And ultimately I doubt he will even take the job at MDG (if he is smart, anyway) because it's just one more connection to Kevin and another thing for Kevin to hold over his head that he "gave" him, and his whole point in letting the app go is that he didn't want that anymore.
I agree about the job because Richie wants to leave the area. And since Patrick has been portrayed as reactive, his decision making skills are based on someone else. I don't need to be convinced that Patrick didn't want Kevin. I need to be convinced that he wanted Richie. I saw no growth in why says yes to anyone.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
Okay, here's your reasons to be convinced he wanted Richie:
1) He never wanted to break up with Richie in the first place and he cried like a baby when Richie dumped him. As he notes later in the movie, he was in love with Richie at this point; he also says later on in 2x05 that the only reason he let this happen is because he had cheated on Richie.
2) As Agustin noted in episode 2x01 he continued to talk all the time about contacting Richie.
3) As soon as he sees Richie again (2x02) the first thing he asks is if Richie is seeing anyone.
4) The minute he ends the affair with Kevin he goes to see Richie and flirts with him, asks him about his relationship, his family, confesses about cheating on him. I think it is obvious in this episode that he wants Richie back (which Agustin also calls right away), but Richie says he's with Brady, and Patrick says he will "take friends", clearly implying that he would prefer more.
5) When Kevin told him about his sad childhood, Patrick had basically no reaction and we never saw him ask about it again. Yet he continues to be very emotionally invested in Richie's relationship with his family even after they break up.
6) He's jealous of Brady when he sees him & Richie happy at the party, starts drinking heavily & wildly overreacts, announcing on the mic that they're soulmates with tears in his eyes.
7) He wants everyone to know about his relationship with Kevin when they get back together -- his family, friends, coworkers -- except Richie.
8) He's staring across the room at Richie while dancing with Kevin during the gamer prom. They have a very passive-aggressive conversation in the diner in which Patrick essentially says you didn't give me a chance and this guy wants me so that's why I'm going for it.
9) He kept the escapulario Richie gave him in his Valuables box, even when moving in with another man. When he's upset & needs comfort, he goes straight to Richie.
10) He tells his hook-up in the movie that he left San Francisco because he had messed up his relationship with Richie.
11) He says to Richie flat out "I want to be with you", also "I was in love with you back then, I'm in love with you now". Richie is not trying to convince him, in fact, he is listing off reasons it won't work, and Patrick is determined to break past that b/c this is what he has always wanted all along.
I believe this establishes that Patrick wants Richie, always wanted Richie, and that he is no longer reacting, but being proactive about getting what he wants.
And that would work if Patrick had demonstrated he could make his own choices. If the writers want me to believe that Patrick grew up, I need to see the work. Otherwise, he got lucky. So no, I don't believe he wants Richie. I do accept that the relationship didn't run its course. So I will give you that. But a relationship built on what he wants and needs from a partner, nope. I remember a post that says the show is about "looking for that someone". You expect some failures along the way. I think the set-up was just that, and then the show was cancelled. Patrick and Richie probably were end-game. But they didn't sell it for me. I saw more chemistry between Kevin and Patrick versus Patrick and Richie, my opinion.
It's too bad Patrick didn't come back with his own plan:
Go see Kevin and break the last connection.
Don't sleep with the cutie before you decide to go see Kevin.
Then have that heart to heart with Richie. Listen when he says I need some space to get my head together. That doesn't mean he can't move to the same locale. But it does mean we are going to be friends first.
To me, Pateick got want he wants, not what his partner may want. And yes, I remember the scene where Richie put his head on Patrick's shoulder. But Richie was just convinced to give up his plan.
So, I hope this give you more then of why I don't buy it.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
"To me, Patrick got what he wants, not what his partner may want"
So you agree that Patrick wanted Richie.
There is no reason to think Richie gave up his plan. Patrick also said flat-out that he would move to Texas with Richie and Richie did not agree to try to make it work with him until after that. If you believe Patrick is lying when he says these things word-for-word ("I want to be with you", "I'll come to Texas") that's an odd assumption to make. Why would he lie? Just to get Richie back? If that were the case -- which is a big stretch -- that would still indicate Patrick wants Richie that badly.
I saw more chemistry with P&R than K&P, but that is in the eye of the beholder.
My issue with Patirck is he doesn't think his actions through. So on the surface he gets what he wants. But later he changes his mind. As confident and assure he is in his professional life, it's missing in his personal life. He has always been trying to please someone else instead of himself. So I don't trust his choices, and the show didn't give me anything to think that he has matured enough to understand Love, and make a better choice. You see it as confirmation, I dont. As for latter, that's your opinion.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
If you choose not to see the growth in a character who a year earlier said to Kevin "I was just desperate to be in a relationship" and can now say to Richie without any hesitation "I was in love with you, I am in love with you, I was afraid of that feeling; I'm not afraid any more", I'm not sure how much more clearly the movie could have spelled it out to you. Yes, we would have all preferred it if the writers had five more seasons to develop this growth more slowly but they were not given that option.
The old Patrick would have never been so bold in asserting himself emotionally. Maybe you just can't see that he has changed.
I don't believe Patrick was bold. He was Patrick getting what he wanted as usual. Growth would have been all that and him stating let me give you time to see what you want. Pateick convinced Richie by saying why do all that personal growth alone. Let me come with you.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
At the beginning of this thread you said you needed to be convinced Patrick wants Richie, now you're saying he's just getting what he wants? What is the complaint here?
Richie wanted to be convinced. He broke up with his boyfriend b/c he couldn't honestly answer the question "do you want to be with Patrick" with a no, he came back to kiss Patrick, he stood two inches away from Patrick while asking him what he suggested they do.
He just needed to hear that Patrick loved him and is in it to win it, and isn't just being impulsive. Patrick proved that by reassuring him that he has felt this way and wanted this all along, and will make any necessary adjustment in his own life to be there for Richie.
The reality is, if you wanted Patrick with Kevin, then you will never accept this ending no matter how plainly the script explained, step by step, that it is what Patrick wants.
My argument may have gone sideways, but my point is this- Patrick has failed at relationships because he goes after want he wants and then changes his mind. So I will give you that at some moment he wants someone, but it doesn't last. That's because he hasn't figured out what he wants in a relationship, in my opinion. He hasn't made that connection because he doesn't know himself.
So no, I don't believe he want Richie, and I also believe that Richie is trying to figure what he wants in life. Patrick hasn't gotten there yet. He's still going on a list he believes will are him happy.
I don't see Richie being convinced of nothing. I see two people needing time to get their acts together. As for wanting Kevin and Patrick, I did see more chemistry between the actors as a couple than Patrick and Richie. But that doesn't mean the Kevin/Patrick relationship would have lasted. Neither were in a place to commit to anyone. Both need therapy to find their footing. So I agree somewhat that I want Kevin and Pateick, but probably for the wrong reasons. They appeared to work in my head, where Patrick and Richie didn't, in my opinion. It's too bad we didn't see Richie lose his temper again, and how Patrick will deal with that can of worms. Both had issues from childhood that they needed to address. The show might have given us those glimpses if it had lasted. But I will never say Patrick and Richie were end-game at this point.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
You don't think Kevin had issues from childhood that he needed to address?
That was true more for him than ANY other character, and it's why he's so messed up now. His mother left him and he has never adequately dealt with that. He clearly has both attachment and abandonment issues.
I don't believe the movie is decisive about whether Patrick and Richie will work or not. Simply that they are giving it a chance. That is realistic to life. We can't know what happens. That having been said, the fact that they both actually want to be together and that they both want the same things out of a relationship (marriage, children, etc.) is a stronger basis for a relationship than Kevin and Patrick had. Regardless of chemistry, Patrick flat out does not want to be with Kevin, does not trust him, and does not think it would have worked. He did change his mind in that relationship, but it was because he received information he did not have before about Kevin's attitude to fidelity.
He never changed his mind about Richie. As he says: loved him then, loves him now, wanted to be with him then, wants to be with him now. Whether you believe Patrick is capable of that is up to you. Richie believed enough to try.
I think they all have issues. Kevin is in some type of therapy. Hopefully he found out what makes him tick. As for Kevin and Patrick, I got that. But I am not convinced about the rest. Too much to learn about each other. I don't buy that Patrick loves Richie. I buy that he hasn't demonstrated the tools to know what he wants. Maybe I did before the scenes with Kevin, but not now. So you are in your corner and I will stay in my corner. Cool.
And what fresh Hell is this?, Malory from Archer(Dorothy Parker)
Characters are extra super annoying too, I don't know I think it should have carried on straight after the fight in season 2 final.
shareYes. Patrick, as cute as he is, has created a closed loop for himself that he cannot escape. Back with Ritchie? Not a good life decision. Bound to end again, and not well.
shareWho'd have thought it possible... but this was more tedious than the TV series. They actually have a cheek even calling it "The Movie" since there's nothing remotely movie-like about this; it's a little over an hour of talky-whiney soap opera, with no attempt at anything that might justify the stand-alone status, the longer running time, or the expectations that come with calling something a movie. It's endless scenes of the same self-absorbed characters talking about their feelings and telling us about stuff that's happened off screen. (Note to writers: Show, don't tell!!!).
Sigh, I agree. However,I have to say that even the series was disappointing. I watched the entire thing and the movie because it was nice feeling like I was actually part of the social group. However, the reality is that MOST hangouts just simply are not interesting enough for the big screen, and that is truly the downfall of this production.
Nothing interesting happens. It would have been cool if they did some mystery, horror, or just amazing stories but NOTHING HAPPENS. We just watch the idiotic protagonist constantly mess up his life over stupid impulses even though we're supposed to believe this is a dude who doesn't like taking risks.
This is supposed to be a stick in the mud who dumps his soul mate to become a homewrecker with his boss? Makes NO sense. The only reason I liked it was because of Richie and Doris. God, why do all gay shows always have to suck one way or another? Were any of the writers/producers of this show even gay?
Looking was created, written and directed by gay men.
sharePerhaps Looking was just too subtle for you. Other people enjoy a more nuanced approach to drama.
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