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Ep.6 Connecting the Bible and Slavery


The reverend's stern rebuke to Tom Macon regarding had he devoted more time towards teaching the Bible to his slaves they would not have attempted to escape.

It is an interesting and factual notion; the coalescing of American slavery with Christianity and the Bible. Indeed, Christianity and the Bible merely served as leashes to psychologically restrain African-Americans by brainwashing them to believe their plight was a result of divine decree, therefore they should accept their condition as belonging to the natural order.

I concur, had African-American slaves been permitted to retain their organic religions of their native faiths and Islam there would have been far more escape attempts and rebellions.

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Cosign to this whole post!..

It really is high time that we start recognizing all of the efforts that were placed into creating the mind of a slave..


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I was raised as a Christian, but later I converted to Islam. Yet, I am very cognizant of the damage that religion (Muslims not excluded) has inflicted upon humanity.

Rather than religion being a tool for the individual to improve their personal character and benefit their fellow man-people employ it as the most efficient weapon of mass destruction and use their belief in a God to justify their atrocities.

Regarding African-Americans, it continues to confound me that African-Americans continue to follow a religion that was imposed and designed in such a way to pacify them? Even after forcible conversions, African-Americans were still viewed as subhuman by their Christian brothers.

In fact, they were forbidden to attend Caucasian churches, taught that their oppressors resembled and were favored by God. There are numerous passages in the Bible permitting the inhuman treatment of slaves and commanding slaves to simply accept their lot and be obedient to their oppressors.

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I would like to know what passages of the Bible you are referring to? I have read the Bible 2 times and the only form of slavery I have seen is when the Egyptians (who were not Christians) had the Israelites in slavery!

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The Bible and Slaver


The Church has also issued a number of Cardinal Bulls (religious legislation) commanding the forced conversion of every heathen and even ordering the enslavement of the "infidels." 

Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled "Ad Extirpandum" authorizing the use of torture for the extraction of confessions to heresy and motivating them to convert and/or revert to the Church.

Goa Inquisitions Pope Nicholas V's papal bull "Romanus Pontificus" sanctioned the enslavement of Indians, Saracens, Turks, Moors, Jews, and "to invade, capture, search out, subdue and vanquish all Saracens, and Pagans whatsoever, infidels and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed...and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery...and convert them..."

Frederick Douglass once wrote, "But the church of this country is not only indifferent to the wrongs of the slave, it actually takes sides with the oppressors. It has made itself the bulwark of American slavery, and the shield of American slave-hunters. Many of its most eloquent Divines, who stand as the very lights of the church, have shamelessly given the sanction of religion and the Bible to the whole slave system. They have taught that man may, properly, be a slave; that the relation of master and slave is ordained of God; that to send back an escaped bondman to his master is clearly the duty of all the followers of the Lord Jesus Christ; and this horrible blasphemy is palmed off upon the world for Christianity."

Indeed, in virtually every instance that mankind is disbursed into diversity, the narrative is cast as the negative consequence or punishment for a perceived sinful act.

1. The Tower of Babel
2. Noah's curse upon his son Ham for seeing his drunken nude body.

Then you have Michelangelo's use of his cousin and aunt as models for Jesus and Mary. Solidifying the false notion of Jesus being Caucasian. Despite, the Biblical description of him as being the complexion of "burned brass," and "brass."

According to the internationally accepted definition of "racism" as defined by the United Nation and its 192 member states,?any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin.?  Hence, according to this, the Bible is ripe with racism.

Followed by the copious Biblical passages commanding slaves to be obedient to their masters and never attempt escape, granting owners the right to beat their slaves: one passage even stating 'if a slave dies from their injuries received from a beating from his/her master, the owner is not to be held at fault if the slave dies the next day-rather than that same day. Individuals subjected to this edict must have endured excruciating pain over that time frame: (Exodus 21:20-21 ESV)
?When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money."

The proverbial "thin line" between the slave socities attitudes and behaviors regarding the treatment and status of slaves is called the acknowledgement of their "personhood." In other words, whether slaves are 'persons' or merely 'property.' There are distinct Biblical passages which refer to slaves as "property" belonging to their owner: (Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV)
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly."

Those societies and cultures whom respected all human life, regardless of race, ethnicity, and religion provided their enslaved with "personhood" status-and accompanying this position were inalienable human rights which can not be infringed upon by any individual, collective, or institution.

Concommitantly, the dearth of such status meant that slaves were nothing more than property and were to be used at their owner's discretion. While slaves were to obey their owner in every regard as ordained in secular and especially to be considered an obedient Christian:

Titus 2:9-10 ESV
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.

1 Peter 2:18 ESV
Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

Luke 12:47
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating."

Though, the Bible provided corpus rights to the owner, Judeo-Christian shari'a (religious jurisprudence) offered very little recourse towards slaves and their quest for emancipation. When slavery is concentrated upon a single "racial" demography, brute force alone cannot maintain their submission. There must be willing cooperation among those oppressed, and the most efficient method to accomplish this task is with religious conformity and indoctrination. Therefore, African-Americans were conditioned to hate themselves and believe that God had cursed them by making their skins Black. Meanwhile, their Caucasian-American oppressors were similar to God and therefore favored by Him.

Additionally, the darker your complexion, the more you were despised by God. The psychological torment which accompanied American racism caused a psychological trauma which has and will continue to ensure among its oppressed for generations to come. This is partially responsible for America as being acknowledged as instituting the most inhuman method of human enslavement in mankind's modern history.

As social scientists, when examining the rate of conversion among a subjugated demographics- we consider the level of aggression employed in converting the masses, coupled with the amount of time required for the majority of the populace to change to their new religion. Keeping in mind the conversion paradigm entails the normative that the more rapid a majority conversion is achieved the more aggressive the measures employed. Conversely, the longer for the majority conversion to be reached-signifies that aggression has been substituted with freedom of choice.

Even issuing a direct comparison regarding the religious conversion among slaves between the predominantly Christian United States and the predominantly Muslim nations of Morocco (which was the first nation to recognize American independence from Great Britain), Algeria, Tunisia, and Mauritania: according to the research by scholars of African-American Studies; at least 33% of the Africans that arrived to the US were Muslims, while less than 1% were Christians. Upon their arrival to the US, the Africans were immediately forbidden from practicing their religion and forced to practice Christianity. Evenso, many secretly continued to practice Islam, preserving it among their decendents for a few generations.

During the 18th Century a number of White-American sailors who were shipwrecked, or fell to the circumstances of Arab pirates, found themselves enslaved by North African Muslims. Contrary to slavery in the United States, some of the White-American slaves were afforded an earn or purchase their freedom. Moreover, unlike White-American Christians who imposed the Christian religion by upon their slaves by beatings, torture, and murder-there is dearth in the empirical data of North African Muslim slavers ever attempting to forcibly convert their White-American Christian slaves to Islam. Incidentally, despite the North African method of slavery being far more humane than slavery practiced in the US, those White-American slaves who were to eventually receive their freedom, returned to the United States and became staunch abolitionists against slavery. The conditions and treatment of slavery they endured entailed their treatment and recognition as human beings, rather than property. 




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But there's no way in the bible that condones slavery. Texts like "serve your masters according to the flesh...as unto Christ" which were often used by masters to coerce obedience were actually admonitions given to help ease the rigors and hardships of the lives that slaves often endured.

It is important to remember that Paul was speaking to a Roman society were slavery was often practice and his words were designed to help the slaves who converted to Christianity to learned find cheer in their servitude as they were to see that when they were serving their earthly master, by cheerfully carrying out their duties, were in fact, serving The Master above.

For example, if I was a slave woman,and I was commanded to do tasks such as cleaning out the hog pen every morning, if I kept in the front of my mind the thought that I was really serving Christ, not my earthly master, then my task would be lest harder to bare, and I would be cheerful, not depressed and discouraged like many of the other slaves.

Thus, though I didn't know it, that command would have actually been given to lift my mind above the rigors of servitude. However, it is a two-way street.

But what is telling is the next part which was a warning given by Paul to the masters "And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him." Eph. 6:9. Verse 9 is God's true open heart about about slavery.

In verse 9, God, speaking through Paul, was warning the masters to remember that in God's eyes, THERE IS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS, NO MASTER OR SLAVE, NO SERVANT OR lORD. THEREFORE, IN KEEPING WITH THIS MINDSET, GOD REMINDED THE MASTER NOT TO EVEN THREATEN THEIR SLAVES (WHICH MANY OF THE MASTERS DID ANYWAY AND WORSE, IN DIRECT DISREGARD OF GOD'S COMMAND) BECAUSE THEY (THE MASTERS) MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THEIR MASTER IS IN HEAVEN AND IN HIS EYES, HE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE SLAVE OR MASTER AS THEY ARE ALL EQUAL IN HIS SIGHT.

But to top it all, in one of the most beautiful commands ever given by God in regard to those oppressed in bondage, God specifically commanded that, if a servant/slave does run/escape from his master, we are Never to give him back to his master. And even more, you are suppose to help and care for that servant/slave who escapes. "Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee: 16He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best: thou shalt not oppress him." Deut.23:15.

The Quakers and other christian abolitionists recognized this command that God gave and they acted accordingly by aiding the runaways. And the amazing thing is, the slave owners deliberately ignored this command from God. And they were careful to Never allow their slaves to get knowledge of texts like these. They twisted the bible scriptures to suit their own evil motives.

In conclusion, it was ever Satan's agenda to use men (like the wicked slave masters in America) to psychologically abuse the slaves by telling them that God Wanted them to remain in slavery. All to the calculated goal of making us despise Christianity (I mean, true Christianity, as it was taught by Christ and the apostles, not the largely distorted Christianity proclaimed by false Christians today).

This has also been shown in the other parts of scripture that the Enemy has led men to twist in order to paint God as a heartless tyrant. And if we fall for Satan's plan, we'd be doing exactly like he wanted us to do.




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Thanks for sharing this.

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I totally read agree with you and read everything up to this point and a few other posts.
Almost Everything After This Post is almost completely irrelevant.

The Devil's 2 Greatest Tricks:
1) Twisting God's Word Around To Convince People To Doubt God/Turn Us Against God
?(Satan in The Garden Of Eden)
"Did God really say ______"
?(Satan Testing Jesus)
"Do ________and I'll give you everything you want" (Paraphrasing)
2) Convincing Us That God Doesn't Exist/That We Don't Need God


2) Convincing

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*2) Convincing The World That God Doesn't Exist/That We Don't Need God

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Oops.....just noticed my "typo" in my 1st post.

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Please read my post below. It just might shed light onto the matter

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I concur, had African-American slaves been permitted to retain their organic religions of their native faiths and Islam there would have been far more escape attempts and rebellions"



Have you considered the fact that God was protecting the african-american race from almost being completely wiped out? Because, after studying the slave rebellions, and the heavy and ruthless reprisals brought by whites against blacks in retaliation, I can only imagine that God put His hand up, shielding blacks from total annilation by whites. If you remember, the Indian tribes tried to rise up in rebellion too, and the whites came down so heavy on them that through disease and mass slaughter, of an estimate 2 million Indians (I hope I have the number right) that originally lived in this country, only around twenty-thousand or so were left.

I really believe that God use Christianity to save African-Americans as whole from this fate as the greater number of them survived. And that when God did bring deliverance, which, incidentally, came in the form of the war between the states, He ended slavery in one great swoop. And further more, it was mostly the blood of White men that was shed, not black men, which accomplished that freedom.

I am still thinkful to God for that and for His watchful care.

Please check below for the rest of my reply

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Four hundred years of lynching, brutal rapes on a daily basis, whole families being tore apart, all of the sadistic torturing of children, woman, men, the elderly, you name it. Slavery was the most horrific atrocity that ever happened in American. The men that were killed in the civil war didn't come close to all of the slaves that were tortured and killed. No only during slavery, but after slavery ended. Black people were still being lynched and murdered without any white person ever being punished. The brainwashing that occurred to slaves from the time they were born, had a lot to do with slaves not revolting and uprising against their oppressors. It's still baffling how a group of people were able to enslave other people for so long without any repercussions. Could you imagine having a business today and not having to pay your workers? Not only that, you beat and killed them at will and it was perfectly fine with a good majority of people.

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All I can say is that God left us a lesson book with the American indian tribes and how the Europeans were never held responsible for their massacres. Same thing with slavery. They were never held responsible for all the blacks who died on the middle passage to america either. It is estimated that up to a million slaves were thrown off or went down with sunken slave ships in the Atlantic Ocean. And yet, no one is held accountable for that either. I'm just very grateful that God preserve the lives of most of our people through that terrible time because if we look at the way things were being done in that era, we should have been wiped out as people.

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African-Americans remain as the most despised and oppressed ethnicity in this country. There have been absolutely no benefits to remaining here and being third-class citizens. One could argue that our ancestors were being tested as the Israelites to see if we would retain our religion.

If you evaluate our Pre-Christian conversion while Muslims to our forced convesion as Christians-there is a huge disparity in our status.

The continent has produced the planet's first universities: Sankora in Timbuktu, Al Azhar in Cairo (still active and considered the oldest active institute of higher learning on Earth), and Kareein in Morocco.

Pre-Colonial Africa was exceptionally nuanced, thereby producing numerous advanced civilizations as Mali, Songhai, Timbuktu, the Mandinka, Fulani, Hausa, Abyssinia, Nubia, Dynastic Egypt, the Moors who introduced public sanitation, libraries, hospitals, advanced mathematics, astronomy, and many more innovations; all of which were directly responsible for lifting Europe from its Dark Ages-and countless more empires.

In fact, our numerical system 0-9 are actually Classical Arabic numbers (Contemporary Arabic numbers are borrowed Indian numerals) that were introduced to Europe by Moors.

Of course, America has reinvented the ethnicity of Moors as Arabs. On the contrary, they were actually Blacks and Berbers who became 'Arabized' much like Egyptians, Sudanese, etc.

It is of no coincidence that the decline of most civilizations coincide with White invasions. You are aware all 3 of the world's earliest universities are located on the African continent? University of Kareein (Fez, Morocco), Sankore University (Timbuktu, Mali), and Al-Azhar University (Cairo, Egypt). Not are you aware of the African Moors whom introduced public sanitation, libraries, hospitals, advanced mathematics, astronomy, and many more innovations; all of which were directly responsible for lifting Europe from its Dark Ages. In fact, our numerical system 0-9 are actually Classical Arabic numbers (Contemporary Arabic numbers are borrowed Indian numerals) that were introduced to Europe by Moors. Of course, America has reinvented the ethnicity of Moors as Arabs. On the contrary, they were actually Blacks and Berbers who became 'Arabized' much like Egyptians, Sudanese, etc.

However, as Christians we became weak, subservient, uneducated, forgotten our history, etc. Conversely, African-Americans who have rediscovered our faith have become some of the most proud and educated African-Americans per capita. It is rare to meet an African-American Muslim ignorant of our post convert achievements, but most African-American Christians can only recount our history beginning with White enslavement.

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David:
Excuse me? Black men fought in the Civil War (on the Union side) for their own freedom, too. Don't give white men all the damn credit,like y'all usually do.

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