Why This and NOW


John Legend assembled an all-star cast for this 10 episode period piece that should've played if at all in February. Terrible Disappointment. Is this diversity? should've scrapped this one.

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You can't blame any creator/producer/writer for when a network decides to broadcast a show...blame WGN.

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another show that's gonna get panned because black people hate white people and can't get over what happened centuries ago , a never ending cycle for which generations will pay for because no one has sense enough to stop blaming the other for what their forefathers did

can't forgive you because you inherited privileges and i inherited resentments , well just fu****k ...
tha's american black and white rapport in 2016 it boggles the mind


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Calm down dude. It's a good show so far. It's better than watching another cop show.

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Oh *beep* off it wasn't that long ago!

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No one living now has any connection


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No. Its good because now we have a rising generation of racists who actually try to justify slavery and Jim Crow days. Especially now since the rise of Trump. So don't come here spitting out nonsense that these shows shouldn't come out now.

These shows help keep the racist bigots away

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Centuries ago? I remember marching for civil rights in the 1960s and I would do it again today. These shows need to be seen so the younger generations can see what really happened. During the past few years, racists have again started to believe they have the right to insult and degrade anyone they feel superior to. White trash doesn't take well to the facts. BTW, I am a white woman.

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Well said . I am a white male from Savannah Ga very familiar to the stories of the 60's where black men were strung up to an oak tree very often and for doing nothing but being black . These "new school racist " are white trash who don't know what real racism looks like . They are uneducated and have no idea of their very recent history. People think that black people started being free after the emancipation proclamation. My only regret for this show is I see hardly any black actors . Wtf is with that ? Two black people on the cover art and then two black people at the bottom of the cast list with 30 white people on top? What is the story of the trouble slaveowners went through to retreave their property ? Sadly it looks that way

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BTW, I am a white woman.
An uneducated and bigoted one.

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No, never been racist in my life and I have more than a college degree. I stand up for what is right and that was and still is equal rights. My children and grandchildren are colorblind to race and my great grands will also. That's the only way this country won't implode.

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Would you call a group of people who you disagreed with "black trash" then? Or do you reserve that only for white people? (= racism)

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Yeah, people use that term.

And the civil rights fights are still not over.

I marched in Ferguson for the rights of the people in that city that were getting ticketed and pulled over had their cars towed at 3am by some of the most racist cops in the St Louis county area. I grew up in the area and still live 1.5 miles from West Florissant near Canfield and watch the cops hog tie young men after a school fight, throw men with no sagging pants, just carrying groceries home, over their police car for a forced search, had a woman cop say to her buddy that she was married to a black man and her buddy cop say "don't joke about that, that's not even funny".

Don't try and say discrimination is over for blacks in our areas because if you say that you are a liar. Don't try and claim there are no civil rights fights left because then it's obvious you are either very young or completely ignorant of whats happening in various neighborhoods.

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Was that meant for someone else? Seems totally unrelated to what I said.

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No it's meant for you.
You were trying to go down the false equivalency of black racism to white racism when blacks are the ones taking the brunt of racism and it's harm in this society.

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I was just pointing out how odd it is that someone would be willing to call a group of people they disagree with "white trash", but presumably would never dare to say "black trash" in any circumstance. You agree that that's a real thing, right? It's socially acceptable to talk that way about whites, but not blacks, no matter the situation.

You don't solve racism, inequality, and whatever else, by bringing others down. That just creates more resentment on all sides, as you can see recently in the news and social media. It's not getting better. This plan of attack isn't working...

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Dear mam...you must realise what you are responding to...doesn't fully understand...the language they understand isn't completely English...if you know what I'm referring to...heh.

In other words...stop feeding the wildlife. Thank you mam.

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the pretty, the crippled, and the proud.

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This show is needed in a hateful year in which millions of people are going after bigots like Trump. This generation needs a wake up call. So shut it.

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Slavery officially ended in this country in 1865. It wasn't "centuries ago". That's about 151 years ago. It's not that long ago in the scheme of things. If you thing about it, we're only about two grannies removed from it.

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Your time line is very wrong ans your understanding of blacks' struggle is also deficient. Most blacks oppose segregation, which was legal until recently. In fact, everyone in the US over 50 years old can remember being raised before it became illegal. That also means that the majority of adults were raised and taught that segregation was the norm and was morally good (the way we see legal behavior).

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White resentment over slavery?
Are you serious?
We (white people) deserve all the crap we get for slavery........

Who are you to be bitter about it?
The Civil War ended about 150 years ago!
"Your SOUTHERN (I'm assuming) ancestors" are long gone!
I don't blame them or you for what they did.
In my opinion, nobody should.
Not everyone who fought and died in the Civil War, on the Confederate side owned slaves nor do I believe they all supported the legalized institution of American Slavery. Man of them, probably were just defending their homelands from what they believed was treasonous government over-reach by the U.S. Government which at that time (and still doesn't) had no federal power to override the rights of each individual state. States Rights, which is Constitutional. I don't condone slavery, just that the U.S. Government broke the law in overstepping it's legal authorities.

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It's weird that people don't see it as a chapter in American or world history or even just stories to be told rather than an attack on anyone. I don't suddenly hate all Germans when I watch 'The Strain' . It's also educational it goes into more detail , I think these stories are important as they stop us forgetting and deter us from repeating mistakes from our history.

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Ladymooneclispse;

Honestly, you sound so damn ignorant., Slavery is a major part of American history,and a huge part of it. Why should it be ignored just because you don't want to deal with it? And racism has mainly been kept alive in this country to this day because white people refused to let it die,and they never have (look at how trumpf whipped up racism and played on people's prejudices to run for office.) So don't even try to put that on black people--white people started that s***, and they still have it going on to this day. White folks have kept handing down racism like old clothes from one generations to the next, so it's y'all's damn fault, since you benefitted from it more than anyone else.

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When any show or movie that is a period piece is shown, if the focus is the whites then you just see the the big gowns and white people with the odd "mammy". But nobody asks "Why this and now" because it is just taken as a period piece.

But when you change the focus from the white people to the black people, then it is invariably a show about slavery because that is what the black people were back then. The same is true if you watch a film with the focus on Germany back then, you are invariably going to be watching a show about the holocaust.

That being said, each generation gets their version of "Roots". Despite the need for these historical shows and movies, I just couldn't watch this. It was very well made, well acted, and as the usual struggle/adversity/triumph/overcome formula, but I couldn't watch it because it was too painful.

No way can I watch a baby drowned by its mother because death is better than life. No way can I watch a woman get whipped or even see the possibility of a young boy getting whipped. I could watch stuff like this when I was younger, but now I just can't because it is all too real.

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shut up

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You're quite confused because there's no particular month of the year it should be shown. I'm always happy to see my folks getting paid, any time of the day, night, month or year.

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You said it: Yay for getting work! Maybe it's the start of something. There seems to be room for about one Western on television a year. I'd like to see a show about one of the all-black communities that sprang up in the West after the Civil War. Like 'Deadwood' only with ex-slaves and freedmen. A longer format would also have room for people of different backgrounds, how do the divisions between house and field slaves, between ex-slaves and freedmen play out.

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You said it: Yay for getting work! Maybe it's the start of something. There seems to be room for about one Western on television a year. I'd like to see a show about one of the all-black communities that sprang up in the West after the Civil War. Like 'Deadwood' only with ex-slaves and freedmen. A longer format would also have room for people of different backgrounds, how do the divisions between house and field slaves, between ex-slaves and freedmen play out.



EXACTLY. We have all kinds of period drama's, even pirate shows.....everything. This is such unexplored territory here because people get mad...especially white people Geez people. Can't you just watch a show and give it ratings like anything else without your bigotry showing?? We watch war shows, shows about the holocaust, all kinds of things without people whining about "it's wasn't my fault".....SMH.

I would like to see this part of history explored.....in all kinds of ways. Whether it's accurate or takes liberties....just let it happen. Geez.

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Are you serious?
You'd really want to see that?
You are really ignorant/naive.
A scenario like that is pretty much the Civil War Part 2:
(What happened from the 1860s-1960s)

In America, the Civil War ended slavery but the effects of that war could still be seen in every American culture for about 100 years.

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Racism, discrimination, bigotry, marginalization/segregation against blacks, as well as violence and denying them their rights as equal protections under the law that the Emancipation Proclamation had sought to establish.
Up until about at least 50 years ago, blacks were still considered 2nd class citizens (treated as if the Civil War had never even ended)

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It is a great show no matter when it airs..just appreciate something with more class than Empire that jumped the shark with all its cheesy guest stars..stopped watching when Rosie ODonnel showed up

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Maybe there can never be enough shows/films about slavery and the Holocaust. I don't know. There are many parts of the world where people are oppressed, disenfranchised and abused. It's shameful.

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Shows about slavery should only be shown in February? What is the appropriate month for shows about the holocaust? What about a good month for shows about the Indian Trail of Tears? In which month should we air shows about the Japanese camps during world war II?

I wasn't aware that topics were restricted to certain months.

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I wasn't aware that topics were restricted to certain months.

This. Shows shouldn't be ghettoized. It diminishes their subjects. In the same way that if kids only see adults reading in schools, it becomes associated solely with 'work'.
If you only see stuff about slavery, or docs about black people in February, it's like they don't exist the rest of the time. It's like only seeing stuff about war on anniversaries of D-Day or V-E Day, or Veteran's Day or Remembrance Day.

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John Legend didn't assemble anyone. He did the music.

December & January are terrible months for new shows. February was black history month. Joe & Misha lobbied WGN hard to avoid debuting during black history month. March, as it turns out, was a great month to premiere the show. Best debut numbers in the history of WGN.

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