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The hooker scene ?? (POSSIBLE SPOILER)


I was not expecting to like this movie much, but the kind of funny hooker
scene functioned to break the ice and bring some comedy to a movie that
was light, but not really comedic.

I was expecting the hooker to reappear in the movie at some point, she was
beautiful and a good actress in a unique role.

What are people's thoughts on this scene and the point of it, aside from
breaking the ice in an odd way?

In this day of equal rights and "rape culture" claims, much as society seems to
want to demand we treat women collectively better there is still the undeniable
reality that men are willing to pay for sex most women will not, or do not have to.
Does this scene advance thoughts or discussion on the world's oldest
profession, or was it just annoying for you?

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I saw the scene as a dose of comic relief.

Om Mani Padme Hum

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He shoots tons of film and then an editor whittles it down to something manageable. I think I read that the original Annie Hall was like four hours of footage. Probably there was a scene that made that scene pay off later somehow, but it got left on the cutting room floor.

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It ended up as kind of a dangling plot thread. I was like you, I kept expecting her to pop back up. But it was also one of the best scenes of the film, and that's probably why I thought it would end up being important. He and that hooker had fantastic chemistry, better than he ever did with Kristen Stewart.

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The hooker scene is very important to the character arc of Jeese Esenberg. He has to go from naive and fumbling to a gladhanding imressario confidant enough to try and bed his wife-to-be at first sight. That scene helps establish his complete awkwardness.

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Interesting hypothesis, but he established not that he was awkward,
far from it, he was almost blase' about this girl, but in a kind of caring,
moral, non-abusive way. If she had turned out to be a regular "pro"
I don't think he would have been awkward at all, and in fact the girl
was that one who was all broken up, Jesse had his wits about him and
was even cracking jokes and being sarcastic. So I am not so sure
about that.

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It was one of the best scenes in the movie. It shows the Bobby character as a mensch. It was self-contained, and there was no need for the hooker character to reappear.

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Not sure of the purpose and underlying reason why you would post this question.
The fact that you would use the words 'rape culture' gets me and a whole lot of people nauseated and nervous.
The fact that you casually call hooking the oldest profession in the world also shows that you may not think for yourself, i.e. using the word 'rape culture.'
Much of society demands we treat women equally?
That statement also is actually really weird. Did you just take some sort of women's study class? Are you a millennial whose for sex positive behavior (that's another created word which, finding the meaning out - just basically means girls who like to bone guys indiscriminately without anyone calling them a hoe or slut.).
I have a feeling you actually are for making prostitution legal too. Just by how the combined sense of your questions are framed.

And maybe you think, because of your girl friends with the bull ring nose piercings, and who are loose, that society is going that way....dude...nope. You'll see. And grow up some more.

p.s. Celebrate and encourage equal opportunity, not the ridiculous, lewd, hypocritical movement exclusive to certain white American women called 3rd wave feminism.

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> The fact that you would use the words 'rape culture' gets me and a whole lot of people nauseated and nervous.

No need to be such a wuss.

But as I read your poorly thought out emotional reaction, I read you as terrified. So terrified you cannot think straight and have to lash out with words. Look at your next sentence ...

> The fact that you casually call hooking the oldest profession in the world also shows that you may not think for yourself, i.e. using the word 'rape culture.'

You read one thing I write and you can decide that I cannot think for myself. Do you not get how pompous and arrogant, not to mention irrational that sounds? No, that doesn't show I don't think for myself, it shows you do not think for yourself. I posed question with respect for anyone and any viewpoint. You got ( and I don't like this current term, but ), triggered to emotionally react irrationally. That means you are irrational on the subject and do not know and cannot react sensibly. Malcolm Gladwell writes about this and calls it "mind blind" and relates it to autism.

Do you have any idea of what "rape culture" means? Doesn't sound like it, but too much right wing programming gives you the idea that you can attack it even if you do not know what you are talking about.

OK, after attack after attack, you then call me weird. It sounds like maybe you should not post anything until you know what you are doing and what you are feelings are about it and you understand them well enough to articulate. Then maybe forget the whole thing.

> Did you just take some sort of women's study class?

No, but what if I had. Is taking a women'a studies class enough for you to dismiss someone's point of view or opinion, or humanity.

> Are you a millennial whose for sex positive behavior

You keep asking these questions like you think you can dismiss or marginalize me by accusing me of stuff you don't seem to understand or asking me dumb questions. Why can't you get at what is bugging you about this issue and talk straight about it instead of trying to attack me? Why, because you are ignorant and do not know what you are talking about.

> Are you a millennial whose for sex positive behavior

Do you men "who is" or who's? Poor English as well.

> I have a feeling you actually are for making prostitution legal too.

Well, glory be, you have a feeling, it must be factual then, huh? I see why you cannot stick to the point and have to talk about your feelings about me, based on nothing ... because you have no point.

> And maybe you think, because of your girl friends with the bull ring nose piercings, and who are loose, that society is going that way....dude...nope. You'll see. And grow up some more.

Gee, that is really specific, maybe you have me confused with someone else and think you can push your foolish ideas on me ... and pretend that is grown up behavior.

> p.s. Celebrate and encourage equal opportunity, not the ridiculous, lewd, hypocritical movement exclusive to certain white American women called 3rd wave feminism.

"Celebrate and encourage equal opportunity" ... that is a nice positive message, but it sure seems like you did not express anything like that in what you wrote. Trying to sound positive and be a jerk at the same time, slick!

The last part of that sentence is just a dig at feminism, and specifically "3rd wave feminism" which I have no idea what that means, and do not intend to learn about it from you. Using that term is intended to make you sound like you know what you are talking about, but it is clear you do not from every other thing you've said in your comment.

Seriously, why did you bother to waste your time and mine on that pointless ramble? Talk about ridiculous, you are it. Oh, and rather than wait around for your probably equally waste of time reply, I'm going to put you on IGNORE, because there is no value in what you have to say, and you are immature enough that there will not be any in the foreseeable future either. Good luck to you sorting out your problems like this.

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Didn't Woody Allen do this same scene with Mira Sorvina in the Mighty Aphrodite? And I mean almost exactly and with the same awkward dynamic?

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Quite possibly ... I don'r recall. I will have to watch that movie again, I had forgotten about it.

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Well, I thought it was odd that nothing about that scene came back later. Bobby never called the call girl again. He never met "Candy" elsewhere, saw her having made it, or at least made it out of the rut, or maybe gone sliding further down. It wasn't the harbinger of a lifelong pornography habit or Bobby getting involved with a lot of hookers. So, that lack of payoff was maybe strange...maybe not...

So, on a purely character level, it lets us know that Bobby's a bit of a goof and a nice guy, and he has some charm and humanity to him; it makes us like him to some extent because he doesn't want to go through with this. It also reveals some of his idealism that makes him hold on to dreams.

But on a thematic level, it's just showing us that sometimes there isn't a tidy bow on everything and that there are no answers - or that silence is an answer. So it sets that up, maybe.

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Maybe he could have had his uncle or his uncle's wife help Candy land a movie role, even if was a bit part. Perhaps even something in radio. That would have been an interesting subplot. Hopefully, she found a job and turned her life around,or went to college. Who knows.

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Yeah, there were ways she could have come back, or the scene could have paid off in other ways. It was a bit strange, in the larger context of the film for sure.

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