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Clarification for stories 1 and 2?


Really enjoyed the movie, especially part three between Beth and Jamie. Parts one and two were interesting in their own ways, but I struggled to understand some of the details as they played out. I was hoping someone could help piece things together for me that I couldn't make sense of.

In story one, I didn't entirely understand Fuller's situation. It's all laid out I realize in the meeting with the other lawyer and then also the hostage scene, where Laura reads bits from some sort of file, but I couldn't keep up with the information being shared in these scenes. I understand that he was interested in suing his employer for some sort of injury he got at work, but that both lawyers wouldn't do it/didn't recommend it. Why was this again? Was it simply because he was possibly under the influence of alcohol at the time of his accident, which I remember Laura reading from that file? Or did he already try to sue (with Laura as his lawyer) and failed?

In story two, Gina visits an elderly man to try to buy some sandstone that's on his property. The man can't seem to give a simple yes or no answer because he's senile and/or preoccupied by memories and other thoughts. Gina and her husband leave his house not knowing if the sandstone will be theirs. Cut to the next scene where we see Gina, her husband and some hired help collecting the sandstone. Are we supposed to assume that they finally got a definitive answer from this man and were able to provide him payment? Or did something else happen? Did they just go back to grab it without paying-- finally giving up their futile attempts at trying to acquire the sandstone in a considerate way, by getting his permission/providing payment? (I believe the movie implies that the one meeting we see them have with him isn't the first.)

Thanks!

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Fuller had accepted a settlement. Once he took the money, he forfeited his right to sue. (Not sure if this is strictly true, for instance if you are unduly pressured into an agreement and can provide proof, or received bad legal advice,you might have a case.)

Albert said they could have the sandstone, then waffled and said "tentatively" they could. In the car afterwards, the couple discuss his answer but Gina decides to treat it as a definitive yes, since Albert clearly had no use for the stones and someone else would take them anyway.

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Albert didn't really want to sell the sandstones. He did not seem to understand why the wife kept stopping by asking for the sandstones. He didn't seem to understand why she was acting like she cared. I believed Albert had was too polite to give an outright no, but she knew he didn't want her to have them. He seemed confused by the relationship between the husband and wife. He certainly didn't like her.

Fuller accepted a settlement and probably signed away his rights. I wonder if he even sought legal advice.

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The native sandstone story is the most altered of the three stories from its original source. In the original story, it's just the couple--they have no children--and though the husband seems to be operating on a separate plane, he pretty much let's his wife steamroll over the old man. Reichardt enhances the tension in the story by making the wife the boss of the family, and the other members essentially disgruntled employees. In the story, however, there is a passage at the end where the wife imagines what she'll do with the stone when she gets it (in the story, they leave the old man's house without the stone and unsure if they've secured it), so the stone represents a sort of inspiration.

But in the movie, there's a clearer sense of Albert's emotional connection to the stone when he mentions the stone was there before he and his brother bought the property and seems truly troubled at the prospect of giving up something that has been such an integral part of his life. This is in the story as well, but really comes across in the wounded performance of Rene Auberjonois. There had been plans for the stone that never came to fruition. Reichardt, by letting Gina and Ryan acquire the stone and also adding the tension within the family, takes the opportunity to suggest that Albert's pile of stone, is now Gina's pile of stone, a monument to plans that will never come to fruition.

In the case of Fuller, when someone's injured on the job, they can either file a worker's comp claim and collect the insurance money, or sue the employer for negligence, but you can't do both. Fuller opts for the first, but comes to the realization that it wasn't enough money to cover his mortgage and other expenses and his injury has left him unable to work, so he decides he'd rather sue. But having taken the insurance money, he gave up his right to sue. This is what Laura has spent the prior eight months trying to explain to him.

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Thanks for the responses everyone.

Interesting info about the differences between the original sandstone short story and the movie version.

Must've either overlooked or forgotten about Albert's connection to the sandstone. Makes that segment of the movie feel even more jarring and unresolved (in a good way), especially with its suggestion of a relatively happy ending (I recall Michelle Williams smiling to herself, cup of wine in hand)

Thanks again.


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