explicit way? When was the last time you saw a movie with female genitals in all its glory, close up? Never? Exactly. Is this a double standard? I think so. Surely this is not fair and equal. PS. I am a lesbian. Let's end this taboo because it is not normal. In the 21st century we are afraid of female body part?
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TheGame81, you're an idiot. "Hollywood" isn't a company with a uniform ethos. It's a town. The people who make movies are varied. There is now club meeting to push a group agenda. The film industry is made of individuals. So when you say "Hollywood" is any one thing, you show how simplistic and dumb you really are. Was that your mission?
shareBy "Hollywood" I mean the film industry. It's pretty obvious and doesn't need to be spelled out. At least it doesn't need to be unless you're an idiot that needs be told how 1 + 1 equals 2.
shareYes, it's an industry. Made of MANY different people, with many disparate ideals. NOW you get it, fool?
shareI don't understand your point. My point is Hollywood is scared to death of vaginas - regardless of what differences you want to bring up in filmmakers. Their vaginaphobia is all encompassing.
sharePay attention! My point is, to say "Hollywood is..." is a flawed statement. There is no monolithic ideal! And not for nothing, but I can think of HUNDREDS of films with vaginas. I just saw a great film with Kristen Wiig, full frontal. There are MANY more vaginas shown in film, than dicks.
You're seriously off base.
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You're just full of assumptions, aren't you? I have no desire to fashion lists of films showing dicks OR vaginas, to prove a point to some internet troll.
You're all over the place. First you refuse to answer my challenge that you errantly referred to Hollywood as one big decision making group, as if it's some board of directors on a phantom mission. Then you make some lame semantic argument about how we refer to penises and vaginas? Smoke and mirrors. Seriously grow up, and leave this discussions to adults.
"Hundreds of films with vaginas in them" yet you can't even name one! Maybe because they don't exist? Next time don't make some phony argument that you can't back up.
sharehey guys, get a room already, we know you want to!!!
shareNice argument. You can always watch a porn, full of vaginas :) Anyways you're right they don't show vaginas in movies and I like it that way and I hope they stop showing penises and balls to, but that's my opinion.
Making a movie is a business and as a business you need to make money. Bigger audience = more money and the majority of the audience don't want to see genitalia at the moment when that changes I'm pretty sure "Hollywood" will change as fast as you can say Pussyballs!
Why you gotta be so condescending to folks? I do believe when someone does say "hollywood", that its a given what someone means by that. Same thing as when some one says why does the "media" yada yada this and that. Its not like anyone with common sense thinks that all media are a collective hive mind, though that possibly could be up for debate lol, as the same for "hollywood".
I also do think there is, as you put it, "a club meeting" of collective people to regulate ratings and maybe what is or isnt shown in "hollywood". Its called the MPAA. While they may or may not directly control of content, movie ratings have a strong influence on who will or wont go watch a movie, which directly impacts profit margins, which indirectly influences what movie makers want to put in their movie. No need to insult folks, especially when you dont have the full aspect on things. You just end up looking like a childish jackass, even if you are right. Before you insult me, and say i dont have the full perspective, which may or may not be correct, you see that i presented myself and my information in a well mannered and mature way, which leaves me open to constructive criticism, where i might learn something new myself, if I am wrong.
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No he's not an idiot you are. Would you be complaining if hollyweird only showed vaginas and no penises? Of course you would.
shareThere is now club meeting to push a group agenda.
THese so called women goin *beep* bc they are insecure about their *beep* is stupid, because there is alot more emphasis and social pressures about dick sizes. Do they not think alot of guys arent extremely insecure about the size of their fwank n beanz?(lol somehting bout mary) I know i am, but i dont care about dicks on screenits funny sometimes. IT would be badass though to see more pickled snatches. Food for thought, specifically hot dogs and fajitas.
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I'm usually not rude to anyone online but on this occasion...just shut up. I'm sorry but this whole sexism feminism thing has gone too far.
Because male genitals are shown on screen female genitals should also be shown on screen? It would make sense if you were protesting against genitalia being shown in hollywood, then you could say it's not right to have penises on screen because vaginas are rarely shown. But to say we should have more vaginas on screen because we see a lot of balls in r rated movies is just stupid and sums up everything wrong with this generations feminists or women fighting for "equality".
How did women go from fighting for the right to vote to fighting to see more p*ss*y in Hollywood. Just shut up
...It would make sense if you were protesting against genitalia being shown...to say we should have more vaginas on screen because we see a lot of balls in r rated movies is just stupid...
Its stupid because people don't stop to think about what it is they are asking for. The OP wants to see more vagina on screen because there are lots of penises on screen. Let that sink in before you respond.
Who gives a donkeys? Like someone has said below, if you want to see that there's a host of movies and sites where you can get adult material and see both penises and vaginas.
It's a movie, who really cares if vaginas havent been shown much in hollywood? Of all the threads ive viewed, this has to be the most stupid because she wasnt asking why female genitals are rarely shown in comparisom to male. She was posted it like Hollywood was doing something wrong and we need a change, like she was campaigning for more vagina on screen. Thats the dumb part.
Sick and tired of these feminists or campaigners, whatever you want to call them, taking to the internet to complain about stupid things
You're missing the point. Yes, you can go online and see all the vaginas you want. The OP was talking about the PRINCIPLE of the matter. If penises can be shown in films and you don't need to go online to see them, then why can't vaginas be shown in films too without resorting to going online for them? Why is there such a fear over that body part? It's getting ridiculous in this day and age. That is the point being brought up. Do you think if vaginas were shown all the time and penises weren't shown, that women (and gay men) wouldn't complain? You must be out of your mind if that's what you think.
shareI fully understand what she's saying.
But what I'm saying is why should it matter? We're not talking about opportunites for females in the workplace. Or women being objectified. Or women being on a lower intellectual level and not capable of doing a lot of things men do. Those are serious issues you can campaign about.
But saying there's not enough vagina in hollywood? Maybe the industry is scared of it. So? Maybe I've exaggerated my replies a little but like I said in my previous comment, everywhere I turn theres some annoying woman canpaigning for pointless things
So you are saying because there are unfair things against women in certain aspects of life, that vaginas ought not be shown as a result? Why are you linking all of these things together when they have nothing to do with each other? We should look at everything INDIVIDUALLY rather than group everything into one lump sum.
Also, as you mentioned, the OP is a female. She doesn't care to group every one of the items you mentioned into this - she actually wants vaginas shown. Shows that she's got more bravery than you.
Why do vaginas scare you so much that you just come up with any excuse not to show them? You'd be a perfect fit to work in Hollyweird today.
Hahaha you guys aren't seeing the bigger picture. You think that I'm incapable of seeing and understanding her point. I repeat, I fully understand what she is saying.
MY POINT, is why should this be a matter of concern?
A better question is why SHOULDN'T the lack of vagina be a concern? The OP is asking for vagina exposure in films yet you criticize her. Why is that?
share...why should it matter?
Sorry but that's not a reason why it "matters". Thats just you stating again what is happening.
shareI agree with Bubbmail, while yes there is a discrepancy in male genitals being shown than female. But I believe it shouldnt be viewed in a bad or good way. It should be viewed as just is. There are a lot more things to worry about in this world. Why campaign for the sole reason of seeing more female genitals? And yes I do understand it hasn't nothing to do with the actual showing but the principle behind the matter.
I'm always for accepting your bodies and accepting nudity as a part of life so I understand that it sucks that there is this huge discrepancy and that it is super taboo to see the female body. But I do also believe that you can utilize your energy and time on something more worthwhile. How ironic because here I am utilizing my time and energy on a movie in a thread with people I don't know lol!
...Why campaign for the sole reason of seeing more female genitals?...
...But I do also believe that you can utilize your energy and time on something more worthwhile...
Each one is in control of their own time, but theres not a person alive who can say being on the IMDB message boards is the best use of their time.
But yet here we are...
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"Seyhakyeth" and "bubbmail" are perfect examples of what you would call "Useful Idiots" for the PC liberal, homosexual/feminist Hollywood agenda.
shareI've yet to see someone on this thread give me a reason why what she said should be a matter of concern. Still waiting. And I have no problem admitting I'm wrong if someone raises a good point. Its part of learning, admitting where you're wrong. But I honestly haven't seen any reasons, she just came to the boards to complain because shes too lazy to visit aduot websites and wants hollywood to display everything for her
shareWhere were you when women boycotted Fifty Shades because the lead actor didn't show his penis? Where were you when women signed petitions asking this actor to be fired from the upcoming sequel for not showing his penis? Where were you when women called the movie Trance a "sexist double standard" because they showed vagina and no penis?
When people call for equal vagina exposure, you come out and bitch about it. Why is it ok with you for women to do all of the above, yet you throw hissy fits when people call for EQUAL vagina exposure?
Why not tell women who boycotted Fifty Shades or ask for an actor to be fired for not showing his penis that they should just go watch porn and not expect Hollywood to show such a thing? Maybe you just fear vaginas.
Nice job trying to sidetrack. Still waiting for my reason why her complaints over a lack of vaginas should be a concern. Until I get that reason, my point is proven that her comments are stupid and pointless. Yes penises are shown more than vaginas. Who cares?!! Obviously you guys care. But why do you care?? Thats the unanswerable question.
P.S Ive never seen Fifty Shades so I didnt know anything about what you spoke of. So you're wrong in making the assumption that im "ok" with anything. Im sure if I had seen it and seen what people were saying, I would have said the same thing
Speaking of sidetrack, nice sidetrack of you. If you feel that this lack of vagina just isn't worthy enough to talk about, then why keep posting comments here? It must be worth commenting if you keep responding to keep vaginas off the big screen because you fear them so much.
You keep asking "who cares?" about the lack of vagina yet you keep stupidly answering your own question. I would say at this point if vaginas frighten you, instead of making excuses not to show them in films, you go seek mental therapy. Vaginaphobics anonymous or something like that.
Also, you don't have to see Fifty Shades. I was referring to the headlines and even messageboard comments here on imdb. Unless you were sleeping under a rock, you should've seen the hoards of comments and articles written by women about the lack of penis in that film with no one complaining at them. When people complain about the lack of vagina, all I see are complaints directed at those who want equal vagina exposure. Why don't we see the same happening to women who demand penis exposure?
Obviously you don't know the definition of sidetrack. I've replied directly to the points she made. You're trying to avoid the question.
The OP raised her concerns about the lack of vagina in hollywood. I replied in fustration saying it was stupid for her to be campaigning, asking why anybody would/should be bothered about such a matter? You cant give me an answer. In fact nobody has. Therefore this discussion is over. Quite frankly I'm tired of seeing the subject title "Where are all the vaginas?" in my email.
This is pathetic. I partly include myself in that because I'm giving you the time of day.
Because Im replying it doesnt mean I care about the topic of vaginas in hollywood. It means I care about why SHE cares about vaginas in hollywood. And the reason why I care is because I think it's better for people to use their voices to speak about actual issues, not crap lile this. And you keep saying im scared of vaginas. Who the hell is scared of vaginas?! You're all giving this too much thought haha
I'll be the first to admit that I should have just dismissed this thread all together. If you see nonsense you should just move on instead of debate with people. Now I know that. But my question was simple. And by your failings to answer it, you prove to me, to anyone reading, and probably to yourself...that there isn't a reason why this should be a concern. So i wont be sending anymore replies as its a waste of my time.
If you decide to reply, I'll read the first sentence and if its not a direct answer to my question then I wont read any further because my point and question is simple. Good day to you
The request to see vaginas in films is for the same reason there is a huge request by women to see more penis in films. THAT'S why the OP is likely making the request for vagina. Why always show one and not the other? That's been my question all along but you refuse to answer it and come up with excuses for not answering it.
shareBubba the same question could be asked to you, whether you agree or not, its basically the same thing. Why do you care so much what people's opinions are on this matter? Yes, you are are correct, there are alot more matters of importance that need addressing in this world,but this isnt the place for that. This is IMDB, not congress, or politics 101, a save the world convention, or feed the kids foundation meeting. Do you get my point? Why must you oppose peoples rights to have a simple debate about a small matter about a movie or movies, on a website about movies? You are giving just as much two *beep* if not more, into this than anyone else, i guess just for the sake of debate? So actually, its two fold on you. Yes SOME people might go might be going *beep* about this trivial matter, but i dont think anyone on here is. Either add something of use,even if criticism to contest their thoughts on the subject at hand, or move on, or keep looking like a fool by arguing with people for the sake of argument. Not sure if thats your actual motive or not, but thats how it interprets. Some people, and their strong urge to impose their thoughts and opinions onto others, irk me. Whatever though, you free do as as you please, just pointing out your hypocrisy and foolishness.
On the subject at hand, it does seem like hotdogs are being shown more often in movies while you hardly snatches, why is that really? It does seem like a double standard. And I am not for 3rd wave feminism whatsoever, i just agree its a double standard, and it would be *beep* awesome to see more fajitas in movies. Why? Cuz i love me some hot steamy fajitas.
I really do believe when someone does say "hollywood", that its a given what someone means by that. Same thing as when some one says why does the "media" yada yada this and that. Its not like anyone with common sense thinks that all media are a collective hive mind, though that possibly could be up for debate lol, as the same for "hollywood".
There is no hypocrisy.
I didnt say she couldnt share her opinion. Its a free country.
Im questioning why it matters to her.
Some might say, well why does it matter to me...and to that I've already given my answer; because I believe people should uses their voices, even their online voices for something more important...IF THEY choose to campaign in the first place. And yes, it is important for me to speak up, because im the one who has to listen to women in the office complaining about silly things. Im the one who seems to be confronted with nonsense from some female rights activist left right and center.
Weve all seen the state of feminism and the female rights movement. Its something that should be taken seriously because women are still being treated unfairly where it ACTUALLY matters but people dont give two ***** because of people like the OP who complain about pathetic stuff. So this wave of feminism has become a laughing stock. So its not hypocrisy. I have a more important reason why ive questioned her. Whether or not you agree with that reason is not your place to say. Either way, its important to me and now ive given you a reason why its important to me. Because what you write, wherever you write it, reflects bad on women as a whole.
And now youre about to say "well this is important to her" and so we go back to our original question...why?
Im just proving one of two things...she just came to the boards to chat **** or she genuinely believes what shes saying is an important issue...
I've noticed you use the Feminist a lot. I don't think it means what you think it does.
This is the most serious thing women have complained about for a long time.
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There's an entire industry creating films that consist of nothing but. Try pornhub.com.
shareWhen was the last time you saw a movie with female genitals in all its glory, close up? Never?
I must have watched a different Wolf of Wallstreet then.
shareMe too. Where can I find that version of Wolf of Wall Street?
shareMe too. Where can I find that version of Wolf of Wall Street?
You saw pretty much nothing because the camera distance was so far away, it was basically one big blur. Compare that to the number of films with close up lingering penis shots and it's no contest - Hollyweird fears the vagina.
shareOh...yea, we saw the top where the pubes used to be, but I thought the argument was that movies never show the actual parts...ya know, the...other stuff. I don't know why it's difficult to say lips, but maybe that's cuz society tells us it is...lol.
If we're just talking about the area just above all that, then yea, there's plenty of movies that show that--including WOWS.
I guess somebody misunderstood the argument. I'll admit, it may have been me.
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You should watch the Trance! 😁
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1924429/
Trance is a British (foreign) film. There are also French movies that show vaginas even more explicitly than in Trance (and have gotten an R rating too). I think the point is why Hollywood mainstream films don't show vaginas like that. The funny thing is Trance was screened for Hollywood distributors and they all refused to pick up the film, which is why it became a limited release film. Even Hollywood distributors fear the vagina.
shareTo the OP, I fully understand and sympathize with you. I like seeing both genders but Hollywood seems to be only interested in catering to gay men, heterosexual women, feminists extremists, and the intellectually deficient, brain-dead PC wack-jobs -- who are completely devoid of any basic commonsense or rational.
Either way, 'Hollyweird' needs to get with the 21st century. Half the world has a vulva, we shouldn't fear exposing them.
Because who gives a *beep*
If you want to see genitalia go watch porn. There's 10 million vaginas able to be accessed in seconds. We don't need genitalia filling our movie screens for some liberal bullsh!t
But that's exactly what we already have, male only genitalia "filling our movie screens". The OP, myself, and others are asking for the same amount of female genitalia (in the same context) to be exposed in return. It sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Are you afraid of seeing a, pussy, vagina, vulva?
Hello, are you people forgetting Ex Machina from last year? The ending of that film had a lot of female nudity where you actually see vaginas. Hell, even Fifty Shades of Grey showed wayyyy more female nudity than male nudity (you only see the guy's butt, whereas you pretty much see almost all of Dakota Johnson).
shareEx Machina is NOT a Hollywood film - it is a British film. We are talking about Hollywood films not foreign films. Plus, Ex Machina didn't show vagina, just pubic hair. Pubic hair is not vagina.
Also Fifty Shades showed equal nudity - chest and butt of the man, chest and butt of the woman. You saw EQUAL nudity. What did you want, the lead actor to show his penis but the lead actress not to show her vagina?