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AAP ka Udta Punjab

posted 8 years ago by warriorspirit
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It is hilarious that my review of Udta Punjab where I have explicitly called it out as an extended and expensive election campaign ad, but did not state which party is behind it and which political family in the movie it attacked, has already been vindicated in only 24 hours of posting it:

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-arvind-kejriwal-recommends-udta-punjab-to-ruling-badals-2225094

Amidst the controversial release of 'Udta Punjab' yesterday, Delhi Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal on Saturday cornered his Punjab counterpart Parkash Singh Badal and said the movie aptly shows active involvement of politicians in the prevailing drug menace in the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD)-ruled state.

Kejriwal said Punjab's situation is quite bad as the politicians are freely distributing drugs in the state. "Watched Udta Punjab. Movie shows politicians running drug rackets, drugs distributed freely during elections. Punjab situation quite bad," he tweeted.

The Delhi Chief Minister showered praise on 'Udta Punjab' and said Badal must watch this 'powerful film' to see what they have done to Punjab. "Just watched 'Udta Punjab'. Very powerful. Badals must watch it to see what they have done to Punjab," he said in a series of tweets.

Remember, I was the first honest reviewer(although I am not a critic ) on the internet to explicitly call out this movie as election propaganda. This movie is being used to prime the Punjabi youth for the upcoming Punjab elections and do not be surprised if it is invoked over and over again as they approach.

[–] Params7 8 years ago

Are you denying there is a drug epidemic in Punjab and that the government is not doing an affective job in managing it? Even if it is a propaganda film no different than Nazi films on Jews, perhaps it is for good reasons if it inspires change at a grassroots level.

[–] warriorspirit 8 years ago

I have answered this point in response to another viewer in my review thread. Propaganda is not about telling lies, it is about telling half truths. Yes, there is a drug epidemic in Punjab, but this movie is using that as just material to point fingers at the Punjab government for upcoming elections. That is the real agenda behind this movie. The movie is secondary.

[–] harryindeng 8 years ago

I replied respectfully your previous 'review' however this is now bordering with the obnoxious and your claim is delusional (nothing personal, referring specifically to the claim you are making). Your deductive reasoning is extremely poor - as I've already illustrated in a reply to your original post titled something along the lines of 'Propaganda'.

You are quoting a poorly argued web article which itself is quoting 2 tweets from politician from AAP - one of which you've already quoted in your previous posts (unless you've gone back and edited it). Now you want people to deduce that this is evidence enough to support a propaganda theory worth 20-40 crore (or whatever the film’s budget is)...

Below are some reasonable deductions one can make from your post, quoting you as below.

I was the first honest reviewer(although I am not a critic ) on the internet

-Textbook adolescent showboating / boasting about being the first on the internet.

did not state which party and which political family

-The Badal family will be completing 10 consecutive years in Punjab.
-In your follow up comments in your original post you have already mentioned Badal family (unless you've now gone back and removed it).

been vindicated in only 24 hours of posting

- I wouldn't take message boards as a serious source of vindication, the internet is a very large place.

This movie is being used to prime the Punjabi youth for the upcoming Punjab elections and do not be surprised if it is invoked over and over again as they approach.

- Being a 'Punjabi Youth' myself I personally take issue with this comment and find it offensive:

The drug epidemic has been discussed and 'invoked', 'over and over' again internationally by publications like New York Times, Washington Post, Guardian, Independent, BBC by plenty of international journalists. In addition, it has been discussed tirelessly by the AAP MP Bhagwant Mann in Punjab, as well as Manpreet Badal (yes- you read that right), a key Badal family member who has stood for elections through Akali Dal, Peoples Party of Punjab and Congress.

These invocations have been present for around a decade – long before Udta Punjab came out. But I am glad that this film got your interest up in Punjab and now you can educate yourself on topics which you claim to have theories on.

[–] warriorspirit 8 years ago

You are quoting a poorly argued web article which itself is quoting 2 tweets from politician from AAP - one of which you've already quoted in your previous posts (unless you've gone back and edited it). Now you want people to deduce that this is evidence enough to support a propaganda theory worth 20-40 crore (or whatever the film’s budget is)...

The Tweets are genuinely made by Kerjiwal on UP. You can verify it yourself by going to Kerjiwal's twitter account.

Textbook adolescent showboating / boasting about being the first on the internet.

I admit that it is boasting. I am boasting because I am the only one so far whose had the balls to say it in a review. Not a single person has pointed this out, including BJP-walas who think it, but are not saying it. I don't care if 35 or even 100 people vote down my review, I am still going to speak my mind. You know freedom of speech and all.

-The Badal family will be completing 10 consecutive years in Punjab.
-In your follow up comments in your original post you have already mentioned Badal family (unless you've now gone back and removed it).

I originally did not mention the Badal family by name. I only started later mentioning Badals, AAP and Kerjiwal by name in my comments after others did it first. I had the courtesy not to mention them directly in my review.

- I wouldn't take message boards as a serious source of vindication, the internet is a very large place.

I have no idea what you are saying. I said that my review has been vindicated that this movie was indeed election propaganda(and I am the only person on the entire internet, as far as I know, who has called it out as such) funded by AAP, because as Kerjiwal himself tweeted a review for it and is already started using it for political campaigning. I have said, and you will can mark my words, the movie will be recalled again when Punjab elections approach.

Maybe I am just smart or Udta fans are dumb? Movies are not just movies. They contain subtexts political, ideological, social and you need to learn how to spot them. In Udta it was just damn obvious. You see my problem is not that they are anti-drugs or are showing the drug problem in Punjab, my problem is they are actually taking advantage of the drug situations in Punjab for election campaigning. Do you seriously think Kerjiwal will fix the drug problem in Punjab? Hell no. As soon as he wins Punjab, his next step will be to campaign in Goa. This man is a shameless political opportunist, the Rakhi Sawant of politics, who wants to be involved in everything to get attention and power. He is using Delhi taxpayers money for fund advertising campaigns for his own party or election campaigns for his his next election or to give his MLAS VIP perks. He has done absolutely nothing for Delhi.

Being a 'Punjabi Youth' myself I personally take issue with this comment and find it offensive:

The drug epidemic has been discussed and 'invoked', 'over and over' again internationally by publications like New York Times, Washington Post, Guardian, Independent, BBC by plenty of international journalists. In addition, it has been discussed tirelessly by the AAP MP Bhagwant Mann in Punjab, as well as Manpreet Badal (yes- you read that right), a key Badal family member who has stood for elections through Akali Dal, Peoples Party of Punjab and Congress.

These invocations have been present for around a decade – long before Udta Punjab came out. But I am glad that this film got your interest up in Punjab and now you can educate yourself on topics which you claim to have theories on.

You see you are not actually getting my objection against UP. I do not have a problem that it is shows some of the darker aspects of Punjab, drugs, mafia and corruption. I know they exist. I know the drugs issue has been talked about by many groups before. My problem is this movie, co-produced by AAP with the blessing of Kerjiwal, is using the real issue of drugs merely for their political ambitions. It does not offer any real solutions to the drugs problems or explore them seriously, all it does is point fingers and it makes it a point to being in 'elections' Tell me if it was really about drugs, why the *beep* does it mention elections and election commission?

[–] harryindeng 8 years ago

It was worth getting you to reply a few more times, shared your post with some people. It's been entertaining.

I am the only one so far whose had the balls to say it in a review.

So eunuchs cannot write honest reviews? How enlightening.

Maybe I am just smart or Udta fans are dumb?

Oh yes certainly, on the planet you live on it seems like it.

(movies) They contain subtexts political, ideological, social and you need to learn how to spot them.

Oh why thank you, you are so kind to teach me how to read a movie. Oh by the way, they film theorists say films have subtext, movies don't. But don't think about it too much, you may get a headache. While you are at it, could you also shed some light on how metamessages, undertones, metaphors, color temperatures, color palettes, staging, mise en scène, score, lighting, intonation, pace, cuts, sound design, imagery etc are used in films to create worlds and suspend disbelief please? I have absolutely no idea. And we haven't even started on writing/acting yet :(

movie was indeed election propaganda funded by AAP, because as Kerjiwal himself tweeted a review for it.

Why yes of course, there is the evidence! A 140 character review! What amazing deductive reasoning skills you have.

I am the only person on the entire internet, as far as I know, who has called it out as such.

Internet...sigh...what a fun place.

Tell me if it was really about drugs, why the *beep* does it mention elections and election commission?

No you are right. Any piece about drugs be it literature, films, songs or documentaries; should not mention elections. Like EVER. DUH!

Have a good one kid. I'm out of here. Don't expect any more replies from me, but feel free to hammer your keyboard.

[–] warriorspirit 8 years ago

So eunuchs cannot write honest reviews? How enlightening.

Lol, it's called 'a figure of speech' you donkey.

While you are at it, could you also shed some light on how metamessages, undertones, metaphors, color temperatures, color palettes, staging, mise en scène, score, lighting, intonation, pace, cuts, sound design, imagery etc are used in films to create worlds and suspend disbelief please? I have absolutely no idea.

You clearly are not film illiterate, but you are cinematically dumb. Of course undertones, metaphors, colour temperatures, colour palettes, staging, mise es scene, score, lighting, intonation, cuts, sound design, imagery etc is used in the film to create subtexts.

Geez, have you never took a course in American or even Indian cinema studies? How movies are created to criticise or reflect current politics or convey messages? You think it is all just for "make believe" LOL? This is what a dumb person would say. All art has a subtext.

I will give you just one example of how colour scheme are used in the film. In Bajirao Mastani we see the contrast of Oranges with Greens, there is a heavier use of Oranges for Bajirao and Greens for Mastani, the subtext is the conflict between Islam and Hinduism. If you were too dumb to notice, there is even a dialogue in the movie where Mastani talks about Orange vs Green colours lol

More advanced used of film staging etc are used in iconic films in cinema history e.g. the Mcarchyism in movies like Invasion of the Body Snatchers(a case study we used in American cinema studies class) If you are an intelligent viewer who is politically, socially or philosophically literate you can read the subtext. If you are a dumb run of the mill average joe, then all you see is entertainment, make believe. You will for example see a song take place in Switzerland in a Yash Chopra film set in India, and will be like "Oh, how pretty are the visuals" but won't see the subtext behind the inferiority complex it reflects re India vs foreign countries. You don't see Hollywood movies set in America having a song in India, do you? lol

Why yes of course, there is the evidence! A 140 character review! What amazing deductive reasoning skills you have.

Arrey Gadhe ki aulad, AAP has been involved with Udta Punjab from preproduction itself. It is co-produced by AAP, the AAP minister were making comments on Udta Punjab even before the movie released, and when the movie releases the leader of AAP even writes a 140 character review on it.

To anybody with even one brain cell can see that Udta Punjab is political propaganda by AAP. However, I know the average AAPtard, which you seem to be, share 1 between 2 ;)

No you are right. Any piece about drugs be it literature, films, songs or documentaries; should not mention elections. Like EVER. DUH!

Does Requiem for a Dream mention elections? Does Trainspotting mention elections? If your movie is about drugs, you would cover the subject of drugs, you wouldn't bring elections into it. The truth is, because this was an AAP sponsored propaganda movie, there was no real intent to explore the subject of drugs, it was only used as an election issue for propaganda.

The audiences have rejected this movie because most people have realised the movie is low on content. It opened big only because of all the hype and the audiences have now rejected it. Many people have agreed with me this is a weak movie.

Indian movie watchers tend not to be that intelligent. If this was a Hollywood movie everybody(Western viewers) would spotted the obvious attempts at propaganda.

[–] harryindeng 8 years ago

For all who will understandably want to skip reading warriorspirit's above post, here are direct quotes below for entertainment. Evidently, and as previously stated, its not worth spending time addressing his 'posts'.

Maybe I am just smart or Udta fans are dumb?

you donkey

you are cinematically dumb

Geez, have you never took a course in American or even Indian cinema studies?

This is what a dumb person would say.

you are a dumb run of the mill average joe

Arrey Gadhe ki aulad

[sic - donkey's offspring]

To anybody with even one brain cell can see

average AAPtard, which you seem to be, share 1 between 2

[sic - references a video where by 2 girls consumed human faeces and is asking me and those he labels as AAPtard supporters of this movie to do so]

you were too dumb to notice

Many people have agreed with me this is a weak movie

Indian movie watchers tend not to be that intelligent.

[–] warriorspirit 8 years ago

Lol, so what, my cusses are pretty tame compared to the movie ;) Also, you have taken them all out of context, which makes you doubly an idiot.

You obviously have no points to make. Moving on.

[–] akgp2707 8 years ago

Hey f@ktard, I can write a 140 char review. Does that make me the co-producer of UP? Also I was making comments on UP before the release, so that confirms that I am the co-producer of UP.

The audiences have rejected this movie because blah blah..

Dude I know this movie attacked your notion of getting high for fun and it frustrates you but at least use good quality stuff! I don't know what have you been smoking but it is affecting your logical reasoning abilities(if you had some to begin with) and anyone who reads your posts.

If your movie is about drugs, you would cover the subject of drugs, you wouldn't bring elections into it

Why would a movie about a REAL drug affected state with politicians becoming drug overlords and using drugs to control elections show a story about a drug affected state with politicians becoming drug overlords and using drugs to control elections?

Maybe scientists will find out one day.

[–] warriorspirit 8 years ago

Hey f@ktard, I can write a 140 char review. Does that make me the co-producer of UP? Also I was making comments on UP before the release, so that confirms that I am the co-producer of UP.

You have obviously not read the previous comments. It has been confirmed that Samir Nair, who was the AAP head of communications division is the co-producer of AAP.

Dude I know this movie attacked your notion of getting high for fun and it frustrates you but at least use good quality stuff! I don't know what have you been smoking but it is affecting your logical reasoning abilities(if you had some to begin with) and anyone who reads your posts.

I don't do drugs.

Why would a movie about a REAL drug affected state with politicians becoming drug overlords and using drugs to control elections show a story about a drug affected state with politicians becoming drug overlords and using drugs to control elections?

You have exposed it yourself. This is not a movie about drugs, this movie is about the state of Punjab and its ruling government who are shown to be drug overlords, and it is co-produced by AAP who are fighting the Punjab election on the issue of drugs.

It is so obvious that only an AAPtard would miss it. Everybody with sense knows this movie is just propaganda. It is so low on content, that the people rejected it in the second week itself.

[–] akgp2707 8 years ago

I wouldn't attempt replying to what you have written above as it is evident that you are incapable of logical discussion or maybe you have problems comprehending English.

I just hope god help people like you. I know he won't but I hope he does. Please stop smoking bad quality stuff bro.

[–] warriorspirit 8 years ago

You did just reply and you had nothing to say lol

I don't mind insults, as long as they are accompanied by actual points bhenchod ;)

[–] Asphyxiod 8 years ago

I agree with you. The movie is a political propaganda.

I mean, the movie shows that the present Punjab government is into drug supplying racket. According to reports, more than 70% of the youth population are addicted to Drugs. So if the present government falls in election, there would be no Drugs! Big problem for the drug addicts!

So the present government gave huge money to Anurag Kashyap to spread the propaganda to the youth so the youth will only vote for the present govt.

Thank you for enlightening us.

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