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Hypocritical

posted 8 years ago by agentorange631
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I think it's incredibly hypocritical for this film to lump high fructose corn syrup in with natural, unprocessed, sugars (such as honey [raw or lightly processed] and sugar in fruit). Especially considering that HFCSs require something around 6 times the amount of cane sugar in order to attain the same level of sweetness while being more than six times as harmful. Never mind that the film itself said that the fructose molecule is the one that typically accounts for excess fat production in the body.

I don't typically rate documentaries, but because of that alone I gave this 1 star.

[–] al666940-3 8 years ago

Dude, they didn't lump natural sugar from fruit and veggies with the rest.

It's clearly stated that AS LONG AS YOU EAT THE WHOLE THING, you won't have a diabetes issue because the fruit/veggie contains the fibre needed to allow the body digest that sugar.

But an orange juice does not (it's all juice and no fibre), hence why in THAT presentation is no better than a can of coke.

Regarding honey, they really didn't delve into it all that much, maybe not enough time?

[–] agentorange631 8 years ago

That's how it sounded to me, perhaps I misunderstood what was being presented. I disagree that orange juice, obtained fresh from an orange you squeezed yourself is just as bad as a can of coke. Especially since natural sugars are infinitely healthier than HFCs. Now if you bring store bought OJ into the mix then that's a different story.

That would be a poor excuse, if you're trying to make an educational presentation then it should be done thoroughly and not simply brush on a sub-topic and move on. Raw honey has an amazing amount of natural sugar and this can be seen if you've ever cooked/baked with it. Of course when I saw raw I'm talking about that completely unprocessed honey which is already fairly crystallized in the jar.

Anyway, it seemed like a lot of half truths wrapped in slanted presentation to serve an agenda.

[–] al666940-3 8 years ago

" I disagree that orange juice, obtained fresh from an orange you squeezed yourself is just as bad as a can of coke."

It's the sugar amount and what's lacking alongside it, not who squeezed it. Think of a coke leave: in that presentation it's about as harmful as cannabis, but not so much when refined (extracting the active ingredient), right?

Squeezing the juice out of the fruit to take it straight up is just the same (refining to extract the active ingredient), you just happen to do it by hand. Or say extracting the blood from a kill to drink it straight up: unless you're vampire, you'll eventually puke and won't nourish.

As for agenda pushing, what are they trying to sell you? Veggies? I didn't see them pushing anything other than whole foods, without taking aside for fats/veggies/fruits/meats/etc.

[–] agentorange631 8 years ago

The key flaw in that logic is "refined". When you squeeze an orange you're not refining the sugar in it, you're extracting the juices. And unless you're one of those weird people who strain it, you're getting the pulp too. The only real difference between eating the orange segments and drinking the juice you squeezed is that you don't have to chew the juice.

What you're missing is that the difference between store bought OJ and the OJ you squeeze yourself is that the latter is pure juice with no added or altered ingredients. That stuff from the store, not so much. I'm also fairly sure that sugar is not an active ingredient.

Regarding their possible agenda, I don't know either. Perhaps they're simply anti-sugar industry, providing an equal opposite. Perhaps they're anti-food industry all together and this is a first step kind of thing. Perhaps their agenda was lost in the shoddy presentation and half truths. Who really knows? I do know that just because you can't always see the agenda does not mean there isn't one. As the old quote goes "Trust those who claim to seek the truth, doubt those who claim to have found it".

[–] al666940-3 8 years ago

"unless you're one of those weird people who strain it, you're getting the pulp too"

Every person I see squeezing it strain it, so at least in my experience people leave out the pulp.

I guess it's about quantity: eating the whole fruit limits how much juice you actually get (how many people actually eat in one sitting the amount of oranges needed to produce one glass full of orange juice?). By squeezing it you're bypassing that and potentially getting way more sugar than you would otherwise.

I mean, unless your daily juice amount is no more than 250ml, you'll end up getting over 30 grams of sugar, in just that one glass (most people gets glasses that hold easily over 355ml, and fill the up to capacity).

Do the math, you're getting too much sugar in there (again, unless you water it down or limit it to 250ml).

"the difference between store bought OJ "

Dude, I'm not even addressing that because we're discussing REAL orange juice, not Frankenstein whatever crap.

Added sugar is usually like candy: use cautiously and in small quantities. Don't need to be rocket scientist to realize that.

[–] agentorange631 8 years ago

Perhaps that's a key difference then, I've only ever known 1 person who strained the pulp out but if the norm is to actually strain it out then you're losing a massive amount of matter.

Whenever I'd squeeze oranges it was almost always a whole bag (~900ml) and I'd sip it over the span of around 2 hours. By comparison I could eat about half a bag in the same time. The "you're full" mechanism is tripped largely from chewing in that case however and not from your stomach actually reaching capacity. Plus liquids are digested quicker than solids and since you can't chew the segments as finely as the squeezer breaks them down into the segments are harder to digest.

While you are getting "more sugar" it's a natural type. Humans have been eating fruits and vegetables for a very long time and have adapted to breaking down those naturally occurring sugars. What people don't understand is that the natural sugar in an orange or honey is vastly different than HFCs and, to a point, purified cane sugar. Though the latter is still infinitely healthier than HFCs.

Where people get in trouble isn't from self-squeezed OJ but from these cane sugar alternatives that are worse than the substance they're replacing. Further, self-squeezed OJ has no added sugar unless you actually add some to it from somewhere else.

[–] al666940-3 8 years ago

"While you are getting "more sugar" it's a natural type."

Everything in excess is toxic, even water (no matter how natural it is).

[–] agentorange631 8 years ago

That's a misrepresentation actually. It isn't the water that becomes toxic, it's that drinking too much water without supplementing sodium and potassium leads to a critical imbalance in the blood.

And while anything in excess can be dangerous, the average person can't consume enough sugar in one sitting from self-squeezed OJ to put their health in danger. Especially when also consuming the pulp. You should really look into how sugar is digested relative to what it's found in, that will give you a clearer picture than I can.

[–] Arvin-G-Borkar 8 years ago

It is all ratios, I believe. Juicing fruits and vegetables is worse than just eating the fruit or vegetable as is.

Now, when you bring an orange and squeeze it yourself, it is a "healthier alternative" than drinking store bought orange juice.

The reasoning is the pulp AND the actual inner skin/flesh of the orange. Any amount of fiber is a bonus point against the amount of sugar. Eating pulp by itself is not fiber or only makes up very little of the fiber. If you look at any nutrition label for pulp orange juice in store bought, there is no fiber or very little (meaning it is negligible).

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[–] agentorange631 8 years ago

The only caveat to that would be that there is far more pulp in self-squeezed OJ, in my experience. Granted, this likely depends on the type of orange you're using but, for me, the juice has always come out with a similar thickness as a very hearty stew. I haven't personally come across store bought OJ with the same amount of pulp.