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"Raising children is hard"?


I never hear this from parents with well behaved children.

Always from single mom that are "strong and independent."

I also saw in the trailer questions like "do you need a man to raise a man" or something like that.

The cinematography seems pretty good though, and the acting is also believable.

Can someone tell me that has seen the film if this is a feminist leaning movie or will this be enjoyable to all?

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Why is that relevant?
Do you go to the doctor and ask him if he/she has the condition you're having? I'm sick of people thinking that parenthood will grant you a miraculous deeper understanding of things. Personal experience is not necessary for understanding things on an objective level.
Unless we're talking about touchy-feely (subjective) things, please excuse yourself out!

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Personal experience adds depth to objective reality. It can make you appreciate something past the simple concept itself. I find it necessary for a full understanding of any reality.

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I also would like to know if this is a feminist leaning movie. Seems that way on the surface.
Also yeah, parents who think raising a child is hard are looking at it the wrong way I think. I have a brother 12 years younger and always thought if he were my son it'd be a breeze because we get along so well.
Where a parent finds it difficult is where they try to force their will on the child and think they should grow up being a shadow of themselves. A dictatorial parenting style almost always leads to problems later down the line. Better to be a co-operative friend I believe. Can't speak for parenting later teens yet though.

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Well said

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No, good parents learn how to give their children Vitamin N for No. Being "friends" is a terrible idea, a disease left over from the 1960s.

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Being a co-operative friend of a kid is really bad idea. Your child isn't a room-mate. It is a living breathing being that you created (a little different if adopted, but same idea). I know a lot of parents that just try to be "friends" with their kid and they usually get past that idea by the time the child is 3, because little kids can be incredibly selfish and generally jerks unless taught otherwise.

And I know a very few amount of parents that try that mentality for even longer, and it pretty much fades away when kids become teenagers (and these kids are generally jerks and I have noticed have very little respect for their parents). I can only think of one instance where this worked, but the family was also incredibly rich, so the kids got what they wanted most of the time.

Remember, kids don't just magically become nice. A lot of it has to be taught, and a lot of teaching for kids requires trial and error (and discipline). Now that doesn't mean parents should expect their children to be a mirror image of themselves, but you can only teach a kid what you know, so a lot of it is based off how you believe things should be.


Yeah, just from experience, the co-operative friend route doesn't seem to work very well. Should you still be loving? Definitely! But a co-operative friend isn't someone who would punish or discipline a kid.

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I totally agree with you! Parents teach morals, values and what are good character qualities. They should teach manners too. They also set limits so when they grow up they know how to set limits for themselves. They also teach consequences for not doing what they are supposed to do.
Then there are life skills. All of this is so they can be a respectable citizen of the community.

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I mean, if the movie is "feminist-leaning" then that's a plus in my book, but I pretty much agree with your other points. Of course, most children do require some firm discipline from time to time as well...as usual, it's all about moderation and balance...

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I never hear this from parents with well behaved children.

Always from single mom that are "strong and independent."

Raising children while single is harder than being able to rely on a partner, especially for single mothers who have to raise their kids and also provide for them. This would make sense to you if you had the common sense god gave a flea.

Can someone tell me that has seen the film if this is a feminist leaning movie or will this be enjoyable to all?

What do you mean by "feminist leaning movie" and why should it affect your enjoyment of the film?

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Raising children is hard. I had husband and even when we separated he was very involved, it was hard. My child was pretty well behaved, but I was very involved, which made it hard- I loved it but it was hard. Something being hard does not mean it is bad or that you are doing it wrong, it just means it is difficult at times.

As for this film being "feminist leaning" what would be wrong with that? And with three strong female meds, what would you expect?

Ladies and Gentlemen take my advice
Pull down your pants and slide on the ice.

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Yes parenting is hard, and yes it is a feminist leaning movie. Not sure how much you want me to spoil it for you other than that.

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My mother was a daycare provider for eighteen years and hated it but it paid the bills. Both the married and single mothers she worked for complained about childcare from time to time. It is a f^cking nightmare sometimes.

Whatever you are, be a good one.

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Well said by the OP.

The true family unit is ALWAYS best. Mother AND FATHER.

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The op and spanish ricky are both hateful republicans !! They may not get the irony !!!

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It's hard if you're a self-centered narcissist. You actually have to put yourself and your own needs second to the needs of your children... for LIFE. That's what my single mother taught me. She was tough, independent but I never felt like she wouldn't drop everything if I needed her by my side.

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

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