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Really don't get the hate

posted 9 years ago by hannahrose313
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...towards the girls. I've read through many posts in the message board and several user reviews which completely trash the women. These include vulgar remarks (ie "cum dumpsters"), and more educated analysis which conclude that they were "stupid" and "wanted it" and therefor not exploited. First off, I completely respect the legal age. However, these GIRLS where not women nor had the mentality of them. I've always been a responsible person, but I'm still completely lost as to what I want from life. I'm in my early 20s, and I understand I have a lot of growing left to do. I can only imagine the pressure I'd have from throwing sex in my mix, let alone sex for pay. These girls obviously thought college wasn't for them, and didn't want a mundane 9 to 5 life. They saw the opportunity for money and took it, simple as that. They're children who were exploited due to their barely legal status...i mean come on...did you see that exploited teens site? We all have choices, but life immediately after high school is an exciting time! So much pressure to grow up, and there's this new level of freedom at their finger tips they want to explore. These sleazy site owners and photographers know this and prey on it.

[–] alblmfld-1 9 years ago

Exploited because of all thw positives we constantly hear of the porn industry?

Basically this movie went exactly the way I expected it to go. I get upset when people say these girls were exploited. They are old enough to make their own decisions.

It's not like if they did the
research raving reviews of the porn industry would come up.

Where are these girls being taking advantage of. The porn industry is exactly what it claims to be. They offer you $800 to have sex with someone on camera.

Which I might add, to me $800 is not nearly enough. To make 40k you would have to do 50 scenes. Seems like a lot of work for very little money to me. How do you expect to make lots of money in this industry?

Just the pure number of girls getting into it. How could you ever eexpect to make much more than that? Why pay more? Like the one guy said, theres thousands of girls turning 18 every day. If thousands more people could do my job every day, how would I ever get a raise?

[–] hannahrose313 9 years ago

I'm not saying they should get more money, I just think they were taken advantage of. They're not the only ones to make money out of their work. Agents, distributors exploit them for their own profit. I don't think porn is "bad", I understand many women and men enjoy their work and can go through the motions responsibly. These girls just were immature and naive. Naive persons are taken advantage of in all walks of life, in this instance porn was the example.

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

that's total and absolute b.s. women are not taken advantage of in porn. they know exactly what they are getting into, hello, it's porn. yes, other people make money off of their videos but they don't exploit them for their own profit. agents and distributors just make money for their jobs just like the porn performers do.

[–] piapaya 9 years ago

They ARE exploited-- after a few shoots, unless they are a breakout success, the agency stops booking them.
Not to mention that their handlers present themselves as trustworthy people in an industry they're new to-- where they still don't know what's to come, when they don't even know what the scenario for the next shoot might be. Remember-- the girls literally say that when the video of the Duke student came out.

[–] seaninboise 9 years ago

Then an 18 year old who signs up for the military thinking it will be like an 80s action flick and then dies was exploited. Using that definition most of the workforce is exploited.

[–] piapaya 9 years ago

What I'm trying to say here is that 18 might mean "adult" in legal terms, but the mindset isn't fully matured yet. They have a naïveté that means they have a false understanding of the reality of being in the industry (YES that includes the military). That naîve mentality is what's being used to take advantage of these young people. Do you understand why this equates exploitation?

[–] bloodshot_sky 9 years ago

They would only be exploited if they were forced to stay or forced to do things they didnt want to do. The movie shows a great example of how some people who get into porn at a naive point in their life eventually realize their mistakes and take different directions. Thats why the turnover is so huge. Its just like any other job. You get into it thinking of the positives then quickly realize the negatives and if youre smart enough you get out.

The end of the world doesn't seem so bad now that you're here.

[–] Derek-18 9 years ago

That's a great comment, a neat analogy, and largely true.

I DO agree that the military exploits young adults in a very similar fashion: they show you JUST the upside, the glory, the action, the travel, the educational benefits, etc. They don't market the downside: death, injury, rape culture, bad bosses you can't leave, fighting wars you may not agree with. And those downsides can have lifelong consequences.

Exploitation occurs when upsides are marketed, downsides are hidden - but the upsides are actually elusive and only short-term, while the downsides are real and long-lasting. The result is that inexperienced youth, who don't yet have the skills to plan well for the future, often make the wrong choices - led there by people who know the whole picture. Those exploiters can then say "He/She chose it. Freedom!" But it's still a con.

Same for organized crime or gangs. Same for porn. Youth are misled and only shown the upside, while the downsides can have lifelong consequences. Perhaps less than the military, because I do believe there can be life after porn. People get more 'second chances' than we think.

But I do think you go too far to say that "most of the workforce is exploited". You see, I agree that any job will tell you "Work for IBM, we are great, we treat you right." But your job with them may suck, and a lousy boss may even take advantage of your efforts. But the key difference here is, you can quit. You can go get another job. And you won't have a black mark on your resume, you won't have public shaming.

While the army can maim you, porn can stigmatize you, it is very unlikely that "that stint you did at IBM" will leave a lasting mark.

[–] hugovaz-604-326222 8 years ago

Are you freaking kidding me?! For once, in this day and age, we have Hollywood to thank for some "public service" "informing" (it gives you a very dreadful idea to start with) young and old (who might be going senile or have been in a coma since they were 5 years old) what war is and can do. From Saving Private Ryan, passing by Black Hawk Down and Platoon, and arriving on The Birth of a Nation... and the list of movies stretches long. If you want literature you will also find plenty on the subject (history classes should give plenty already, but hey).

And it isn't "taboo" to talk about the army as it is to talk about the adult performers and business, hence you have loads of information passed on from VA's and observers to their family, friends and news media... you read or watch the consequences of it on the news, you have debates about it in congress.

Heck, you had the youth of the time marching against the Vietnam war!! And you tell me with a straight face "young kids go to the army 'blind'"? You're telling me that in the age of information and with so many blockbusters and easy and immediate access to information (and news) youth today knows less about the army and war than they did back then?

The army doesn't misrepresent what they are and what recruits are getting into, that's for sure, all the above won't let them...

I've seen this argument being used too many times without being challenged, when it's so easy to make it tumble and shown for the fallacy that it really is.

[–] Derek-18 8 years ago

Your counter argument is basically..."War movies teach them the truth?"

Gosh, that's a dumb argument. War movies usually make it look glorious, and the protagonist a hero.

"And you tell me with a straight face "young kids go to the army 'blind'"

No, not blind. But with false illusions, abso-fn-lutely.
Simple proof point: any politician, newscaster, public figure will tell you soldiers are heroes, over and over. Heroes!
But when it comes time to fund healthcare at the VA, things get real quiet.

[–] hugovaz-604-326222 8 years ago

Really? That's all you got from my comment? The hollywood part? Nice trolling. What about the part about the protests against the vietnam war, the reference to all the congressional public hearings every year?

You do understand, amidst your trolling, that the argument was about how banalized war and military culture was, right? War and military culture being a part of pop culture is the most banalized you can get, so the hollywood reference actually is the strongest argument one can make to how banal something is if it became part of pop culture. And sure, some war movies shows "glorious heros", and yet the most acclaimed and viewed ones show gore, death, people left a shadow of themselves for the rest of their life and shows the dehumanization of recruits and soldiers: Born in forth of July, Platoon, Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket, Band of Brothers (mini series), Apocalypse Now... shall I go on?

Remember, you were making the patethic argument that military culture was something no one knew and they were cheated into the military... that argument just vanished. Your argument is basically... air.

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

i know this girl doesn't know what she's talking about. they weren't exploited at all. an 18 year old after all is an adult. they can die for their country at that age. i think if a woman can die for her country! that she can just have sex on camera for money.

[–] The-Last-Prydonian 9 years ago

i know this girl doesn't know what she's talking about. they weren't exploited at all. an 18 year old after all is an adult. they can die for their country at that age. i think if a woman can die for her country! that she can just have sex on camera for money.

But they're not considered adult enough by law to drink alcohol, funny that!  

[–] hannahrose313 9 years ago

Well you said they probably didn't develop past the age of 16, my point is that amateur porn sites know and prey upon this. It just seems that people who critisize these women can't understand the rebellious teen mentality. People who want/need money don't have to turn to porn, but many women in their 20s can enter the industry responsibly. However, it's scientifically proven that the frontal lobe (ratinality/logic/right from wrong) isn't fully developed sometimes until a person's LATE 20s. Average age is 21-22. Also there are men and women who exploit naive young adults in all walks of life and any occupation...porn is just one example.m

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

you can't prey or exploit someone if they go to you and willfully decide to do something with you. porn is not an example of an occupation that exploits people.

[–] zombies98 9 years ago

lol yes it is

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

no it isn't. you're naïve if you believe the way porn is acted out like they are exploiting a woman is exploiting a woman.

[–] laikinasemail 9 years ago

you are a voice of reason in SJW occupied imdb. Thanks for your post

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[–] yoonc 9 years ago

These girls are so dumb and naive that you could probably convince them to commit murder. People saying that they are old enough to make their own decisions maybe by law, but at 18 most girls are still girls still immature naive and dumb. Then when they get a little older and smarter they realize they have made a big mistake but it's too late.

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

no you're wrong about that. they are adults otherwise if they are so easily coerced into doing porn then how come every girl that age or around that age has said no to going out with me?

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

what's there to figure out or be mature enough to realize here? we are talking about having sex on camera. we're not talking about figuring out a big life question that you can't know the answer to until your brain is fully mature and you are old enough to know the answer to. all we're talking about is making the decision to have sex on camera. can you do it or can you not do it. and it doesn't matter what the after effects of it are, the girls know full well what they are getting into, porn, so if they can't deal with it later then that's their own fault for doing porn. you know that when a person is 18 they can make the decision to do porn legally right? they are adults and so they are old enough to make their own decisions. what's to knowing what the after effects are anyway. no one knows how they are going to feel after they do porn. some people have regrets some don't. so saying that these girls aren't old enough to maturely make their own decisions about having sex on camera is not correct.

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

and that's great. let's get these girls while they are young and dumb. their pussies are ripe for the picking and we have to have them. I don't like people like you because you're trying to take away the only good thing in my life. you can't do that. porn is absolutely essential. it's essential for all the guys who have never been able to get a woman and don't have enough money or don't want to sin really badly by getting a prostitute for sex. you can't take away this vital and important thing in my life. guys need porn. don't try to take it away from them. it has to be that way for those women, the women who have regrets about doing porn later on in life when they get to be 23, 24, or 25 years old. we need them to have sex on camera. it's a right we have and we need to watch them have sex, when they are 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, and a little bit older than that.

[–] THEORIGINALcatchfraze 9 years ago

You are nuttier than goddamn fruitcake. I feel genuinely bad for any woman that's ever had to experience the discomfort of interacting with you in any way. If you could get away with it, you'd for sure be a child molesting serial rapist (at best).

"Throughout history every mystery ever solved has turned out to be....NOT magic." -Tim Minchin

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

you are the exact kind of person that i hate. a person somehow defending these "young and immature girls". well let me tell you something a girl who is 18 years old is old enough to vote, old enough to smoke cigarettes, heck even old enough to die in the military. now if a woman is old enough to die in the military don't you think she is old enough to be able to make her own decisions about performing in porn? no, actually these women were technically women and these women did have the mentality of a woman. and no one preyed on them. they made a willful and knowledgeable decision to do things sexually on camera which were fully explained in their contract. end of story. and even if they were too stupid or immature to make decisions about being in porn they deserved all the degradation and exploitation and abuse that they got. get a real job and make real money if you don't want to do porn but don't complain about it later on if you do do porn and don't like it. they weren't exploited by anyone when they did porn.

[–] fayesbridegroom 9 years ago

Hi hannahrose313,

I agree with you.

The body begins to sexually mature around 13-14 years.
And up to 1970's child porn (of round this age?) was legal to distribute but not make.
Obviously society realized this was an infringement of the child's human rights.So the law of legal age of consent came into place within pornography.
There still prevailed the "teen" market. Which in a sense was perpetuating the idea of taking a person's human rights away is a erotic thing.
So since around the mid 90's with the whole "Gonzo/Abuse" shift in a lot of American pornography.there has been a switch to more psychological abuse of the women.
If a solider in their twenties comes back from war with PTSD.Then it is easier to see that the mental maturity for abuse is much higher than 16-17 year olds.

[–] stephen-scott83 9 years ago

Your comments are those of a feminist in denial - no one made these girls do anything - they willfully and eagerly made the trip to Miami
to do porn on their free will - don't try to turn it around and blame anyone else. it's astounding to see how you try to twist everything around, calling the site owner and photographers "sleazy." Your an idiot who has no idea what she is talking about. If they had more class and respect for themselves and their bodies and reputations, they wouldn't make porn, but they don't do they? They are vacuous, immature and talk like morons - but they are doing because they want to. Did it ever cross your myopic mind that some ( more than you think ) of these girls are sluts to begin with - they like having nasty anonymous sex. They are not "exploited". The main caveat about this "movie" is theres no talk or use of drugs ( a joint does not count). There's tons of cocaine use in porn - that's no secret.

[–] lukejbarnett2002 9 years ago

what did you mean by caveat? you're right, except it's ALL of these girls who are in this movie who are sluts. no girl would make a porno video to be sold to paying customers to watch isn't a slut.