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An explosion in anti-Russia propaganda

posted 8 years ago by zanity
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I hardly see a new American film these days without a carefully inserted scene attacking Russia in some one, no matter what the subject of the movie. Poland is a slave state to the USA (witness Poland's 100% support of American terror in Ukraine, for instance).

Sure, there are many stories (true) about Russian wartime atrocities- but there are just as many about atrocities carried out by British or American forces that NEVER become the subject of movies. The fire-bombing of CIVILIAN centres of major cities by the allies was the GREATEST war crime of WW2 (far worse than the Nazi death camps), but the victors of a war always forgive their own crimes.

My point is that the 'truth' of a film like 'the innocents' matters not when the REASON for making the movie is pure propaganda.

American troops carried out mass rape in Iraq, for instance, during the illegal invasion of that nation by Bush and Blair. Hell will freeze over before anyone makes a film about those atrocities, however. The West murdering TWO MILLION Humans in Iraq (over FAKE 'WMD' claims) isn't even worth a thought, according to those that try to convince you their raking over the ashes of WW2 is done for 'honest' reasons.

Russian bashing reached a peak at the recent Olympics, when British MI6 operatives completed their project to demonise Russian sports-people. Weeks later, we discovered that British MI5 operatives provided doctors to all leadeing British atheletes who willingly provided the SAME illegal performance enhancing drugs- with the EXCUSE that every British athelete is so 'ill', they need such drugs to merely survive.

The SAME people who lap up propaganda like 'The Innocents' cheer the 'victory' of the DRUG CHEATS of the USA and UK. The old tribal NONSENSE that OUR CRIMES are just fine and dandy, but the 'crimes' of the 'others' marks the 'others' as 'sub-Human'.

[–] MrEdnablackadder 8 years ago

Poland is a slave state to the USA

Even if that's how you see things, it remains that the director and all people involved with the script are French. The film is a great character study of human relationships: this particular historical setting proved an ideal frame for it. And anyways, why shouldn't one depict episodes like this any longer if he has a good story to tell? Because there are plenty of other films about the Russian wartime atrocities? By that logic, we should stop doing Holocaust movies altogether, because there are enough already. If you think there should be more films about the crimes committed by the British and American forces, that's fair. But I don't see how that issue may be related to this movie.

[–] cocksalad1 8 years ago

Strange they were speaking French, Polish, and Russian in this movie. What does the US even have to do with this?

[–] Ghost_Of_Me 8 years ago

The fire-bombing of CIVILIAN centres of major cities by the allies was the GREATEST war crime of WW2 (far worse than the Nazi death camps)

Really? Have you seen pictures of footage from a death camp? Killing civilians during war time is a fact of life. Its sad and disturbing. But its been happening since man picked up rocks and sticks. But rounding up a creed of people and trying to exterminate them anyway you can is on a whole other level. I can see how you might be angry that there arent many films showing the evil of US or the UK, Im sure its the same way Muslims feel. But everyone knows that the US and UK and plenty of other countries have done terrible things to other people.

If you want to see Russia portrayed in a better light, why dont you write a film and get it financed and screened around the world at film festivals. Dont just complain and do something about it. This film was a great history piece about humans and the evil things that we do to each other. But it was also about hope and joy. I dont see this film as propaganda at all. Its like saying Pearl Harbor is a anti Japanese propaganda film. Or that Vietnam films are propaganda films against the US. No, its history, its dark and its bloody and its terrible. But its in the past. It dosent represent the people that live today. But in saying that, ‘Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.’ - George Santayana
Just my two cents.

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[–] mme3924-1 7 years ago

The fire-bombing of CIVILIAN centres of major cities by the allies was the GREATEST war crime of WW2 (far worse than the Nazi death camps)
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Really? Have you seen pictures of footage from a death camp?

Seriously. I'm appalled that anyone can even write this, much less believe it.

[–] Lexiii67 7 years ago

Seek professional help quickly.

[–] Mehki_Girl 7 years ago

First, is this an American made film? I'm not going to bother to look, but if I know American made films, it would be in English with everyone either speaking with British accents for some bizarre reason or some awful facsimile of a Russia one. So I think your argument is with the producers, who I wager are not American.

But let's say it is, it's called propaganda and Americans have always lied to themselves about what this country really is and what it's done to natives, Africans, and to other countries. We've financed wars in other countries for oil.

So what's you're point? All countries lie to themselves and their own people. Russia can make fills glorifying itself and vilifying America and Americans. What do you expect?

[–] nerowolfgal 7 years ago

I hardly see a new American film these days without a carefully inserted scene attacking Russia in some one, no matter what the subject of the movie. P

Really? You are calling a movie made in France, based on a true story about a French nurse in WW ll Poland, an American film?? And the rape of civilians in the Soviet line of march across Europe is well documented, and even shocked the troops from other nations.

Yes, everybody committed war crimes, by the end of WW ll things got very nasty on all sides and there was no nation with clean hands. BUT a story about the rape of nuns in Poland by Soviet troops was hardly

a carefully inserted scene attacking Russia

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Many of the Russian troops were Communists, and religious people of all genders, and houses of worship were frequent targets for brutal abuse of all kinds. This is just a historical fact, not an attack.

Be who you are. Everyone else is already taken.

[–] BrunoAntony 7 years ago

We get it. You hate America. That has nothing to do with this film, though.