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Did anyone else feel like the story-telling felt a little ...flat?


Maybe "flat" isn't the best word to describe what I felt but...

Maybe I'm getting too old for kids' movies, but I sensed the twists immediately--where the macaque was what I interpreted to be the serious, functional side of the mother and Beetle turned out to be Kubo's dad (at first I thought that maybe he had been a comrade of Hanzo and would act as a stand-in father for Kubo, but no he WAS the father, which was a runner-up guess). Unless those twists were supposed to be meant for children and not adults who have seen similar things before?

I enjoyed the absolute beauty of the story; I watched it in 3D and while there wasn't *beep* that was being thrown at me (I hate that kind of gimmick), the effects made it seem like a pop-up story book, which I think made me enjoy the film even more because of the underlying idea that this is a story.

I was interested in this film primarily because of centering around Japanese culture and the natural feel of "This is how Japanese life is" (in a child-friendly lens, of course) made it all the more entertaining.

What didn't really mesh with me, if I had to zero in on some things was:

1. The dialogue. Some lines were info-dropping and felt a bit out of place. Only a few lines made me laugh, some of them were from McConaughey and some of them were from Charlize's deadpan delivery.

2. For a film that kind of sets itself up as a saga, they seem to find all of the pieces very quickly. I mean, I guess that I expect a bit more trouble to finding them, but I'm probably used to things taking awhile when it comes to treasure hunting. In a way, I guess that the relative ease that they had getting those items reads much like a short folk story in of itself: The hero's journey is usually straightforward and they don't delay much on each item on the list...

3. I really, really wanted a bit more backstory on, well, everything. What was life like in the Heavens? Did the mother live with her son on earth, is that what happened? How did the Moon King manage to take the boy's eye or rather what exactly happened when he did do it, and how old was the boy when it happened? A few months? A few weeks? Almost a year? What other forms of magic are there in this world, if the mother can use a biwa and one of the sisters can use a pipe and manipulate smoke? How were the sisters created? Is the Moon King "God" or is he simply a major deity? What is the Moon King's role in the universe, and will his absence affect the world at all?

4. The last 15 minutes of the film seemed like a mish-mash of "lessons" that didn't seem to fit together well, or they weren't conveyed very smoothly. The movie at first was, from what I gathered, about adventure and how a storyteller could very easily become the protagonist in their own story called Life or something, then I think that, subtly, a family isn't always simply a mom and a dad, but can take on many different shapes (A monkey and a beetle), then it became about how being human means being humane and "seeing peoples' souls" and compassion and love, then it became about how the memories of your loved ones are always with you and that's how they live on.

If I had to illustrate how I felt these ideas were conveyed, I'd say it was like:

A--------a----a---------A

Where A = Theme or idea is established, and "a" is subtle reassertion of that theme, and the --- is other stuff happening in the meantime.

For example, we see in the beginning of the worship of ancestors with the lamp-lighting ceremony. The idea that the people you have loved and lost always being with you and all that is sort of put on hold (or I guess kept in mind but not mentioned again) in favor of other ideas until it is revealed that the Snow Monkey/Macaque is actually the reincarnation of the Mother, or perhaps the manifestation of a piece of the Mom's soul and consciousness? Then it goes goes goes goes and then at the end Kubo uses his powers to trigger the spirits of the dead to illustrate to the Moon King that humans are not alone even when their loved ones are taken from them because of memories and yadda yadda yadda..


Maybe it's just me, but I like these ideas to kind of be underlying themes that are built upon as the story goes. Some people feel that having it always be present completely ruins subtlety and grates on the nerves and it totally can! I just felt like, well, it kind of felt ...tacked on at the end, as if the film was saying "Okay we have all these themes, now let's compound them and do a review of what we've learned these past few hours!" and the bullet points were all but listed off at the finale of Kubo's stand off with the Moon King.

I think this film is absolutely gorgeous and worth renting for kids, but as an adult the story had some cracks in it that left me feeling a bit like I was missing out on something. Perhaps it was world-building that I was missing? I don't know, what are your thoughts?

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Storytelling was really weak, which was ironic for a movie about storytelling. Dialogue like you said was very awkward, and the way they made the identities of Kubo's friends some kind of a big secret was def the wrong choice. Theme was not clear at all. Laika is like half the Pixar of stop motion, beautiful ground breaking visuals but they haven't figured out the storytelling side of it yet.

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lol pixar storytelling? all the recent disney movies are generic asf. Not that I disagree that Kubo has it's problems.

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I felt like the story was lacking. The concept was great, and I was very intrigued in how they set everything up. And yet... the journey felt too short, the backstory on characters to little, the climax too anticlimactic.

I left the theater feeling unsatisfied. Because the movie seemed to promised much but didn't quite deliver. It raised quite a lot more questions than it answered.

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I felt that it was way too slow and could've developed the characters more. Which is a shame because before I saw the movie, I thought that the movie was going to be great!

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I agree, the story could have definitely had a little more meat to it. I get they were trying to have s stronger emotional impact than blow you away with a rich story, but the lack of a strong plot really took me out of it at points. I think younger audiences wouldn't notice the pacing issues like us older people who have seen a lot more.

People can decry Zootopia as more "commercial" cause it's Disney and has brand advantage. And while that may be true, ultimately, Zootopia had stronger characters, a plot which, while somewhat familiar, had me invested into what was going to happen next, and overall it did its world building a lot better than this, I really hate to sound negative on an animated film this pretty, but sadly, apart from the animation, this is actually Laika's worst film for me, although I am sad it is severely underperforming

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Meh, it felt a tad flat at a couple points in the middle, but the good outweighed the bad for me, and I still found Kubo to be a great movie. I enjoyed it more than Box Trolls and Paranorman, two movies which I felt like had bland storytelling throughout.

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very intriguing and challenging setup halted by obligatory wise cracking animals and near pointless middle. The ending had some interesting and even mature themes, but I felt like they didn't want to follow through with it so they just dumped standard stuff into the middle. Maybe they thought that's what people would want? To me the whole middle stuff about finding magic swords and shields was just lame. If felt more like Legend of Zelda. And it was way too obvious that the monkey was the mother and the beetle was the father since they were making googly eyes at each other.

Also didn't really like the monkey character. The cheap sarcasm was just a bad attempt at humor.

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You have a fantastic, intelligent take on the film. I totally get what you mean with the "A----a---a----A" example; in a way, I wasn't really sure which themes of the movie were the focus, or how much emotional depth I was supposed to getting from them.

My main problems, I think:

- the bland character presentations in Monkey and Beetle. I totally appreciate their story and personalities, but neither quite delivered the depth it felt like the movie was trying for. Their real identities were also predictable, especially for Beetle (though to be fair I thought they were going to be cliche folklore "representations" of his parents rather than literally his parents, so I'll give it that).

-Similarly, their character designs are about as generic as their names, and represent the movie not being as imaginative as its concept allows. I just don't think it was delivered with enough heavy moments or world-building to incite the emotional depth it was going for.

To put it simply, the difference between Kubo and a Miyazaki film (a fair comparison) is that Miyazaki films, while family friendly, never feel like kids' movies, they feel like everyone movies. Kubo had some interesting ideas, but it's a kids' movie. So as a 20-something, I wasn't able to appreciate it in the same way that I can Miyazaki movies.

I also took a look at your profile because I liked your take on the movie, and you and I review things the same way: pure enjoyment, whether it's well-built or not aside. I respect that. I've been watching a lot of anime lately and been giving several of them somewhat low scores, but I'd rather be true to how much I really enjoyed them than praising them on some technical "it's good on paper" level when I didn't even enjoy them. Nah... I think as anime watchers, we've grown to expect a higher level of depth from animated features, which is probably why Kubo fell a little flat for us: its story toys with deep themes but is told in traditional kids movie fashion.

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I have to agree. It was very very good but not perfect or a masterpiece by any sense. But absolutely beautiful to look at though.

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I left the theater saying the story was weak.

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