Wtf was that?????


What a horrible movie. I haven't seen such an unlikable protagonist with no redeeming qualities since Wolf of Wall Street. But brace yourselves, this one gets NO comeuppance (that we get to see or hear about in the film.)

And before you devil's advocates reply about how he made McDonald's into something no one else could've, let me stop you right there and remind you that the only reason is because he had no problem lying, stealing and swindling. Anybody without a conscience could've done that. Nothing special about him. He didn't even come up with the idea to lease the land.

And not giving his ex wife a piece of the business.... After she just stood by him for almost 40 years when he was nothing... sickening.

So if you want to watch a boring story about how to automate the making of hamburgers and even more dull and unimaginative, see a bunch of fat old saggy white men get rich for over 2 hours then watch this movie.

Unsurprisingly, it flunks the Bechdel test so horribly that there isn't even two women in the same scene.

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By the time he founded the business she was a frigid bitch. Why should he give her half of what he was GOING to make? He gave her the house/car and all his cash assets. That's plenty for the chick. Why do women just auto get half of EVERYTHING from a man? She had no kids... why should he have to pay alimony? She can go get a job and go back to work, no?

And not every film is supposed to have a character you love. It's a biography or a character study.

Now stfu, you dork.

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Ooohh Big Man told you to stfu, I guess you should, I mean he is so powerful and all knowing. What a joke RoadSideAssistance is. Just a little person sitting in his momma's basement behind a glowing 1999 eMac with the Best Buy clearance sticker still on the side. An ashtray with two weeks worth of Unemployment spent cigarette butts and a whole lot of regrets. I think someone needs a hug LOL.

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The McDonald's brothers had no interest in franchising, you might have picked this up from the movie...

They were getting money for nothing they never would have earned without Kroc. They were also very hesitant to let Kroc do anything, not to mention they didn't mention to Kroc when he bought the franchising rights that they had already sold his home turf to another franchisee and almost bankrupted Ray before he even got started.

This movie portrays Kroc as the bad guy and the brothers as the good guys. The reality is pretty much the opposite.

Yes, Ray was a salesman. That's his background. But he upheld the quality controls of McDonald's, he would not accept bad food, and because McDonald's was and still is such a big produce buyer, the standards Kroc introduced for not accepting rotten meat, tomatoes, potatoes, etc has spread across the entire farming and produce industry.

Don't want to eat at McDonald's? Fine. But when you go to the supermarket and see all the fresh food there, just realise that the quality is what it is in no small part because of the contribution of Ray Kroc to the industry.

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You really believe rejecting spoiled food was invented by Ray Kroc and McDonald's? That's just ridiculous.

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By the time he founded the business she was a frigid bitch.


Key words: by the time. She was a very underdeveloped character in the film so we are left to speculate, but even by your estimation, she likely didn't start out that way and it seems as though he was a physically and emotionally distant husband who was also erratic in his various "get rich quick" schemes. She stood by him when he was nothing and held down the fort at home while he went dream chasing, he finally latched onto a good one that succeeded and then dropped her. Would he have gotten the chance to wander the country and meet the McDonald's brothers if she wasn't tending to things back home? Maybe... maybe not. I'm not necessarily saying she was entitled to 50% of the business he was growing, but "not even 1%"?

Why should he give her half of what he was GOING to make?


Just addressed that. Maybe not half (but perhaps? Depends on what arguments can be made and what the judge decides), but some ongoing percentage that can be negotiated in court. Because he started the business while they were still married, and this wasn't like an 18-month Hollywood marriage...this was almost 40 years according to Wikipedia. That's quite an investment of time.

She had no kids... why should he have to pay alimony? She can go get a job and go back to work, no?


I think they did have kids but they were grown. I used to think like you actually, I was perplexed about why ex spouses get half or some percentage of what their partners made, but I've since acquired a better understanding of how marriage is a partnership. As I discussed above, the thinking is that he wouldn't have been able to go out on the road chasing rainbows if she hadn't been holding down the fort at home, and it just seems only fair that since she stood by him when he was nothing for decades that once he made good, and she was there for the beginning of that good-making, he should share with her. Something... he vindictively said he'd rather die than give her even 1% of a billion dollar empire. If that's not greed I don't know what is. I'm pretty sure that's how it was supposed to come across, because he d*cked over the McDonald's brothers too. Not just his ex-wife. I doubt you were supposed to come away from that scene thinking he was being reasonable...

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Mmm some fair points.

Although I don't understand why he needed her to 'hold the fort down'. Why? In fact he bought the house for her lol. Looking back at his bio he did have a daughter but looks like when he was 20 or so (1924 she was born) so she would've been like 30 by the time he was traveling and on her own. She probably was gone mid-late 40s and this story went down in the 50s.

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Yes, the offspring was an adult by the time of the story, but again dividing up the assets after marriage is cumulative. He didn't become a salesman or entrepreneur over night. He got to that point because of several years on the road, and he had several years on the road gaining experience and business contacts because of the partnership with his wife that allowed him to. "Holding down the fort" at home can mean a lot of things from running the water so the pipes don't rust to feeding the dog. I get it, it's not worth a lot but it is worth something. He wouldn't have been there meeting the brothers, etc if he didn't have her.

There's also compensation for risk and inconvenience. He almost lost THEIR house, she had to endure all that when he was unsuccessful, so when he made good on a venture he entered into while their business merger (you may know it as marriage,) was still valid, she has some stake in it. That's the way partnerships work, and marriage is a partnership.

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Frankly even without what he did to wife. The man as still an Assh01e. Yeah he took what 2 brothers had came up with and it made it national, great. But did he have to screw the brothers out of there own name and f##k them out of royalties. No, He Didnt.

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The point of this movie is to show some of the dark backstory behind the magical, squeaky-clean image that the company puts forth to the public.

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