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people misjudge destructive power for powerfull... + Godzilla 2014

posted 7 years ago by kasper-sorgeloos
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I mean people have to understand that unlike previous ones, this gojira-story isn't about battling monsters like those or godzilla 2014. Godzilla 2014 might kick his ass if people want to see a match-up straight away.

Shin Gojira, as for now what we have seen might have the most destructive power, but seems to be far slower, less agile and his weakest point, his energy drains him enourmously. While his atomic breath and lasers are destructive, it milks him dry (which even the humans noticed and used against him). We also don't know if atomic breath even would work in a match-up against another godzilla/gojira incarnations, primarely because they feed on that kind of stuff, just like a snake is immune to its own venom.

But people also have to understand this was more story involved then just kaiju's fighting eachother and I'd like the sequal to be the same, atleast for now, before, eventually will happen, kaiju battles will come.

[–] pecinqa 7 years ago

Ah, I love this sort of speculative posts. Let's go!:

Shin would 100% kicks 2014's ass.

2014's only real changes to Godzilla was to make him the tallest Godzilla (at the time), and the aesthetic changes. 2014 is a very typical Godzilla. One other thing is that 2014 is an old Godzilla, he's an ancient creature.

Shin's a young creature born from radiation and several ancient creatures merging into one (IIRC). Shin is learning it's abilities in the film. When it first uses it's atomic breathe it's just a gas fireball until it quickly learns to concentrate it into a beam. That was the first time it had used the ability, and over did it. The next time Shin uses atomic breathe it's already immediately that concentrated beam, and Godzilla uses consideral more atomic beams through the mouth, dorsal fins, and tail without causing it to recede into a state of rest.

As for atomic breath effectiveness, I would have to say that I think it would do damage. Electronics are powered by electricity, but if your overload it with too much electricity it will fry. I'd like to think we can use the same logic here. I simply think that Shin's atomic breath is that powerful.

You're right that the 2014 is more agile, but I'm not sure how effective it's maneuverability will be against Shin that can literally cover itself from any angle with atomic breath/beams.

Shin is constantly evolving, so 2014 would have exactly one chance to defeat Shin, that would be the only time it'd have an advantage. If Shin survives it would simply evole again and 2014's chances of victory disappear.

[–] kasper-sorgeloos 7 years ago

We also saw Shin getting damaged and bleeding by USA missiles, this is the first time ever we see a gojira bleed or getting damaged by normal human weapons without some kind of special weaponry or another kaiju.

One part I agree on though, is that Shin evolving state is a mystery. We don't know if it was STILL evolving, everything was speculation by the professors and we don't know what the ending really means. I hope we get a sequel to Shin and by the same director continuing the same tone and vibre of this movie.

[–] paolop-12321 7 years ago

Only because the flesh on his back was exposed as a heat vent.

[–] pecinqa 7 years ago

We also saw Shin getting damaged and bleeding by USA missiles, this is the first time ever we see a gojira bleed or getting damaged by normal human weapons without some kind of special weaponry or another kaiju.

If I really wanted to reach I might cite 98' Godzilla's death via fighter jet missles, but I ain't gonna go there!

I don't recall if Godzilla has bleed before in the films, but he has been disabled in combat in prior films as well. I don't think Shin should get discredited for that though. I think regardless of where the damage comes from, human or not, that it's still a sign of weakness regardless. Even 2014 Godzilla had to rest after his ordeal.

However, I actually have a thought on Shin's bleeding.

I think the bleeding might be an indicator that Shin's evolving. The blood pours into the underground tunnels before it comes ashore in the second form, it also bleeds from the gills before evolving into the upright third form. Then Godzilla's back bleeds before he can fire the atomic beams from the dorsal fins. I'm just speculating, but that how I interpreted it.

[–] evolution_500_2 7 years ago

"I don't recall if Godzilla has bleed before in the films,"

There have been a few occasions where he bled - when he fought Mechagodzilla, Gigan, and Biollante. I think there may have been other occasions, I can't really remember.

"I think the bleeding might be an indicator that Shin's evolving."

That's an interesting thought.

[–] blinkerslayer 7 years ago

I think the bleeding might be an indicator that Shin's evolving.

Blood can be likened to magma spewing from an active volcano. As the magma pours over the surface and cools it solidifies and creates new land. Much like blood covers a cut and coagulates to repair and heal a wound.

Typically in humans, when this occurs we develop scar tissue and that new tissue is actually not as tough as the previous skin. The pigment also appears lighter.

Lizards have a similar ability in which they can grow back whole limbs. This too also results in a weaker replacement.

This has to do with the body's cells having to split themselves to replicate. requiring more energy and spreading the material thinner, thus resulting in weaker tissue.

However Godzilla's regeneration appears to be more of a re-configuration. Much like Doomsday, it's body not only heals, But it tries to determine what the flaw was and how to correct it.

An example we see in nature is that of an embryo growing from a single egg and sperm to a fully grown adult. To begin this process it requires energy from an outside source. Say from the yolk of an egg for instance, a chicken goes through several stages before finally hatching. This seems to be what Godzilla is going through as it grows. The only difference is, Shin doesn't have an egg shell or womb to not only provide its nutrients but also its protection.

Shin is completely exposed to the elements. The constant exposure to military weapons and radiation, may have had an effect on Shin's birthing process resulting in it's massive loss of energy at certain stages in which he appears to "shutdown" as well as his really tiny eyes. But also provided the energy it needed to continue as if being incubated.

The Dna coding continued to reconfigure as it grew from the embryo stage to its infancy stage throughout the movie and once the body was fully fleshed out we see what would have been had he hatched fully from an egg.

Theoretically Shin may have only been a baby when it died. That is, if one chooses to ignore the very ending.

[–] evolution_500_2 7 years ago

"An example we see in nature is that of an embryo growing from a single egg and sperm to a fully grown adult. To begin this process it requires energy from an outside source. Say from the yolk of an egg for instance, a chicken goes through several stages before finally hatching. This seems to be what Godzilla is going through as it grows. The only difference is, Shin doesn't have an egg shell or womb to not only provide its nutrients but also its protection."

It's interesting that you mentioned that; as far as I know, this might be the only Godzilla film outside of GINO where the character was actually "born" through radiation. It's also definitely the only Godzilla film where we actually see Godzilla's mutation as well.

[–] dmitri_faleev 7 years ago

They froze it like they did the soil around Fukushima. Only time will tell

[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

The point is godzilla adapts to any attack weve seen. There is no speculation that he would eventually plateau if he survives an initial attack meaning as time goes on he just becomes more and more invincible. You'll never see him hurt by an american missle again. Just like he'll adapt to the coagulant that frooze him at the end he'll never be vulnerable to it again. If he were to be at the edge of a nuclear blast he would be searl\iously injured but would heal and never be harmed by nuclear blasts again. Maby his evolution will plateau but not untill Toho deems him invincible enough to warrent that plateau.

By the time he were to fight the american godzilla he'd already would have been exposed to everything japan and the US could throw at him. so godzilla 2014 woulden't be able to stand up to him but thats kind of the point. The american godzilla is aimed at realism were as Toho needed to have a more powerful godzilla just for their country's fanbase and made him a magical god.

[–] CichlidAsh 7 years ago

I mean people have to understand that unlike previous ones, this gojira-story isn't about battling monsters like those or godzilla 2014. Godzilla 2014 might kick his ass if people want to see a match-up straight away.

Shin Gojira, as for now what we have seen might have the most destructive power, but seems to be far slower, less agile and his weakest point, his energy drains him enourmously. While his atomic breath and lasers are destructive, it milks him dry (which even the humans noticed and used against him). We also don't know if atomic breath even would work in a match-up against another godzilla/gojira incarnations, primarely because they feed on that kind of stuff, just like a snake is immune to its own venom.

I don't think that we have enough evidence to really answer this question but my take on it would be that Shin Godzilla would come out on top in this encounter simply because of the power of his focused breath, we see that the blast is of incredible intensity cutting through absolutely everything with no problem and at an incredible distance as well and he could sustain the blast for a prolonged length of time especially compared to Godzilla 14. Godzilla 14 breath weapon needed to be shot internally into a Muto to kill it other than that it does not do anything more than really push it back which to me indicates it is significantly weaker than Shin Godzilla's. Still of course we don't get too see what it would have done to a Muto so this is all based on impressions of power. Godzilla 14 feeds of low level radiation from the earth but that does not indicate that he would have any immunity to a focused blast like what Shin Godzilla can deliver and he also survived a hit from a A bomb which indicates a tremendous ability to survive a huge amount of kinetic force but you must ask yourself how much of that A Bomb was actually a direct hit and again we don't actually know how much force he was subjected too. Godzilla 14 is faster and bigger which would lead me to believe that he would dominate a close combat encounter at least as long and Shin Godzilla did not evolve a counter quick enough.

Still I think that Shin Godzilla breath attack would simply overwhelm Godzilla 14 without any real issue so I would put my money on Shin Godzilla but I am biased as I think that Shin Godzilla was in a good film while Godzilla 14 was a sack of $hit.

To make a great film you need three things - the script, the script and the script -Alfred Hitchcock

[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

The american godzilla couldn't stand up to shin godzilla. But I think that was a deliberate design on toho's part. Like they felt compelled to make a godzilla that was 20 meters taller then the record setting Godzilla(2014) and had to make him even more powerful.

Godzilla's atomic breath was destryoing targets miles away from him (literally slicing through buildings in a row). I imagine they would have cut through Godzilla(2014) just the same.

[–] klownz (478) 7 years ago

No. The new American Godzilla was actually pretty good but Shin Godzilla did up the game a bit, kept it retro but fresh at the same time.

All the Japanese films have the same problem with long ass dialogue... I watched it a few times & the cut version was better... The American film is fluid.

I think the styles are just different though.

I want the USA to throw down Biollante, King Ghidorah & Mothra

[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

I just don't like how every american director just concludes that Godzilla needs to be a human story with godzilla is just being a plot device to drive the story on the ground. Its the same mistake they made with War of the Worlds some pin head writer got it in their minds that no ones interested in the monsters right, its the broken family running away from the monsters that are the real story for some reason. Why did they hire the director of Monsters for this that movie wasn't about monsters and thats why it sucked. Godzilla should be the story. The story should have been about how humanity deals with godzilla not about how godzilla makes you feel or how you'd feel running for your life when you don't know where your kids are. We have enough imagination to know what that feels like.

The american story involves what you and your family would do if godzilla arrived where as the Japanese story shows how the government would respond to a challenge such as godzilla even though pessimistic (Understanble due to the Fukushima disaster still being fresh in everyones minds) it still shows their attempt to deal with the threat. The american version mentions a response (Lets lure him to San Fransico and nuke him. Like WTF) but only really shows the ordinary family perspective on godzilla and a familyman soldier being forced to execute those orders from the government. IE we get very little info on godzilla or the mutos only what we could expect from watered down news reports the average joe would see.

I hope the next film is more godzilla focused.