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How unsubtle are they, FFS!


Hardly very business like are they, more like idiotic headless chickens.

Robbing a bank then going to the same club seemingly right near the bank, instead of completely leaving the area asap. Then getting a taxi to drop them at a hotel (so the driver can tell police exactly where they are!).

Oh and don't forget to get pissed-up the hour before the job.

The antithesis of film "Heat" for sure, lol! Just stupid.

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Oh and don't forget to call for an ambulance, watch stranger you've known all of 5mins die, have a crying fit, not washing blood off hands, all whilst taking the maximum time to again leave the scene alive and free, whilst being in a completely foreign country.

...I guess she even didn't bother to cover her tracks by at least trying to go to work again.

Mind boggling.

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The antithesis of film "Heat" for sure, lol! Just stupid.


How ironic that you call the film stupid since you seem yourself to have completely missed the central themes. These guys are NOT seasoned criminals - they are a bunch of kids who get into some dark stuff and are foolish. This is meant to add to the tragedy of their fate. They are so elated after they successfully perform the bank heist (which they were blackmailed into, I should remind you) that they don't make a sensible inconspicuous escape.

And the mafioso guy made them get high "and aggressive" by giving them drugs before he let them go.

Were you even watching the film.... at all?

Sheesh. Go back to your shlocky Hollywood twaddle like Heat. You seem to like cliche, archetypes and slick tropes.

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"Kids"? They all looked to be in their mid twenties at least to me, and the guys struck me as being fairly street smart. On a technical level I can't fault the movie, it was extremely well made and acted. The actions of the characters really stopped me from liking it as much as I could though. Some mildly silly moves to help move the plot along I can forgive, but we're talking about stuff the goes beyond the realm of basic common sense. If they had actually been kids I might have believed the plot a bit more.

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"Some mildly silly moves to help move the plot along I can forgive, but we're talking about stuff the goes beyond the realm of basic common sense. If they had actually been kids I might have believed the plot a bit more."

Exactly spot-on, Storkk. They're clearly twenty-something year olds, and the guys are streetwise at that (one that got them into being blackmailed via his bloody prison sentence, FFS!). She obviously not so much, given the talk of her closed music school life. But that's exactly what made it worse, as she was clearly intelligent, yet we're expected to believe the plainly stupid choices she chose throughout the film at virtually every opportunity. Sure she was trying to be carefree in her new life and environment, but that level of carefree was frankly plainly ridiculous.

As for the dorky ad-hominem comments from Spellbinder888. I'm actually an independent film buff, so thanks for your ill-informed badly-executed presumed character assassination without knowledge. Clearly you take the massive plot failings as good and acceptable, when they stand-out a mile to anyone with even a basic understanding of cinema. Hence my Heat comment, which was not a comparison (as you rather sillily thought it was), but rather an obvious ad-lib about what this films plot certainly wasn't.

The one take and fairly good acting, in parts, was pretty much ruined by the plot direction. The writer and director could have changed this quite easily by making things just slightly more believable; they chose not to. Silly. As shown by the box office...

Thus why this film was not widely distributed, which ultimately speaks for itself, as the distributors made quite apt decisions about its storyline, and chose accordingly.

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Even I am not seasoned criminal and running far away from the crimescene and lying low for 24-48 hours would be my default move.

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That one ingredient of the drug cocktail they got forced to consume, Tilidin, makes you believe that you are truly invincible, much more than coke already does. It's an extremely stimulating painkiller and restricted only for use on seriously ill cancer patients in the latest stages. Hence, the gang never wasted much thought on getting caught. They were high on the drugs and the success of their heist. Under that particular influence, they simply overestimated themselves and underestimated the situation they were in when they decided to go partying next door. Also, mid-twenties basically are still kids, by the way, at least nowadays, and especially boys. I happen to know a lot of Berlin citizens in their mid-twenties. I am one myself. All this led to the messy escape, the shootout and the many foolish decisions.

I did try Tilidin once. I've never felt better in my entire life than in that night. I got my comeuppance the next day and many days after that. It's a dangerous and deeply disturbing substance. It became a recreational drug here in Berlin in the last 10 years, actually, hard to get and extremely expensive.

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Good to know, thanks. Think I'll skip it though!

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The question is why would the evil mastermind (blond guy in the garage) have our heroes drugged if the side effects of feeling invincible were likely to sabotage the operation? Why would he sent amateurs instead of professionals in the first place?
Then again, it's a movie and apparently the filmmakers' were more focused on the one-shot characteristic than on the plausibility of story.

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He risked being ratted out by the heroes if they were caught and interrogated by police.

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Reading the reviews i thought i was the only one tripping on those points, i had to pick my jaw from the floor when they went to party after the heist. Really overrated and far from a masterpiece for me.

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The characters aren't professional bank robbers... It's made clear that they likely haven't ever robbed a bank before.

Plus they're off their heads on coke

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you dont have to be a professional bank robber to know that if you rob a bank you leave the area ASAP and go seperate ways instead of parking the car and going to the nearest club.

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Right. Because you have robbed a bank while drunk and drugs so you can speak about making logical decisions based on your experience...

Give me *beep* break.

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No matter how drunk and high I am I still know what's stupid and what's not stupid. These guys were idiots and deserved what happened to them.

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I don't think they could really leave and go too far because they did the job for the gangster, who wanted his $10,000. He told them to stay put after the job because he would give them instructions later. If they split up and went their separate ways, that could be a problem with the gangster. Also, their van was stolen, and it would have been recognized by the bank employees, so they needed to get rid of it ASAP. However, they were on drugs and drunk, so they weren't thinking straight where to abandon the stolen van. Having said that, if you think about it, it would not have mattered where they abandoned the van and what they did afterwards. The Berlin police responded to the call very quickly and they located the stolen van within minutes, so they couldn't have gotten very far anyways. Fine, you can say that they were stupid to go partying, but remember that these guys were piss poor before the job. They didn't have jobs, they didn't have money to get into the club, they had to borrow money from each other just to buy beer. Now all of a sudden each one of them got $10,000 to spend, so they wanted to splurge right away and celebrate. It's stupid, but not inconceivable.

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