MovieChat Forums > The Bastard Executioner (2015) Discussion > This show makes no sense

This show makes no sense

posted 9 years ago by Desepticon
21 replies | jump to latest

If the main character was a knight who renounced violence then why is he a poor peasant. As a knight he would have to have sufficient income to maintain his arms, armor, and horses (quite expensive in those days). That means he had to have some land and a title of some kind if he was a knight. It makes no sense that he's some dirt poor peasant. Where did all his money and land go? Did he renounce those too? Even if he did, he would still be a nobleman and not a peasant.

My brother was eaten by wolves on the CT Turnpike

[–] pankoeken 9 years ago

Yeah but they were chopping people up and stuff brah. Who needs logic when there are big freaking swords?

[–] Desepticon 9 years ago

I figured out why he was the only one to survive the battle with the Scots. Apparently he was the only one who had real metal mail armor. Everyone else seemed to be wearing knitted wool. Explains how that sword just slashed right through it.

My brother was eaten by wolves on the CT Turnpike

[–] s-s-fergie 9 years ago

I said the exact same thing about the 'mail' armor. I turned to my husband and was like that looks like it was knitted, that or it's made of plastic.

[–] mtzgrz 9 years ago

Him and his men were betrayed by the Baron so he stayed dead and eventually made a home in that village.

[–] Desepticon 9 years ago

That just raises even more questions. If you're pretending to be dead to escape the wroth of your lord, why the hell would you stay in his territory? So he was a knight (apparently a popular one) in service to this evil baron but no one there knows what he looks like? No one ever spotted him in the street and reported it to their lord?

Also, this guy was a knight. Meaning he had wealth, land, and a title. He's not some peasant the Baron can just have killed. He's a ranking member of the aristocracy and would have the ability to plead his case before the king or other higher lord.

My brother was eaten by wolves on the CT Turnpike

[–] mtzgrz 9 years ago

He was far removed from the general populace living in a remote village (also the baron who betrayed him was not baron at the time, he likely attained the position shortly afterwards). To your second point, he could have done all that but he chose to remain dead. He decided to leave that life behind for whatever reason (vision of the angel, tired of fighting hence the stick, etc.).

The show makes sense, it's just bad.

[–] Final_Hitokiri 9 years ago

Oh you poor poor soul.

Are you unfamiliar with the works of Kurt Sutter? He makes shows for entertainment purposes only. If you're looking for realism, you won't find it.

And also, that entertainment factor disappears after several of the same storylines are repeated again and again.

[–] Desepticon 9 years ago

I'm all for entertainment; and I might be willing to overlook all the logical inconsistencies of the premise if the pilot was any good, but it just wasn't. I found it rather trite and boring actually. I'm really disappointed because I wanted to like this show. I love historical dramas. I was expecting something with the quality of Vikings or the Tudors. (Or lacking quality, at least as entertaining as Spartacus.) I also really liked Sons of Anarchy, so I thought I might like this new Kurt Sutter show. What we got was just a big dump on the screen, perfectly embodied in one of the first scenes where we are introduced to the baron and he does exactly that.

My brother was eaten by wolves on the CT Turnpike

[–] katalist420 9 years ago

you have no idea what you are on about. Same storylines over and over again? Did you not see The SHield which he did wonderful writing on? Sons had good writing to. Maybe transformers is more up your alley?

[–] jjk50 9 years ago

The first scene has a naked woman in a battlefield, a black girl with a bad blond wig and dragon coming out of a guy's chest. The main character must have made a trip to Colorado to get some of that loco weed they sell there.

[–] lone-foxx 9 years ago

Marijuana is not that hallucinogenic. Are you experienced?

I take it you are aware of the spiritual and existential visions people claim to witness when they are close to death and their brains are flooded with DMT; which is extremely hallucinogenic. Yet based on the appearance of the "dragon" as well, it would appear that magic could be real in this show.

[–] ivyprincessivy 9 years ago

the wig on the little girl is white not blonde she was an angel, the dragon scene I took it as being a dream/hallucinations.

[–] jstei-37669 9 years ago

He barely wrote for The Shield. Look up his contributions. They were minimal.

And yes The Shield was great. Sons of Anarchy sucked and this isn't looking too good either.

[–] Final_Hitokiri 9 years ago

Shh... don't confuse him with facts.

It might require him to look up who actually was the brains behind The Shield and why it is critically acclaimed while SOA is a joke.

[–] Final_Hitokiri 9 years ago

Did you not see The SHield which he did wonderful writing on?

The Shield was created by Shawn Ryan, not Kurt Sutter. Sutter only worked on a handful of episodes. And yes, for a few episodes he does fine.

For an entire series like SOA? He started off okay... then ran his whole series into the ground. With guess what? Repeated story lines. How long until Tara tells Gemma that she won't be allowed to see the kids again? How long until Tara threatens Jax to leave? How long until Jax says he's quitting the club? How long until Jax says he's going legit? How long until they kill Clay? How long until they kill Gemma?

Sutter is horrible when allowed too much creative control because he's... not creative.

Maybe transformers is more up your alley?

 Given your love for poorly written stories with over the top visuals, it seems like more your cup of tea than mine.

[–] ac-kerr 9 years ago

He was a deserter and if the Baron had known about him he would be killed along with his family. Hence why he left his title and riches and went for a simple life of peace falling off the radar.

[–] Surf_Nazi_No5 9 years ago

His acceptance as a foreign occupier and nobleman by peasants remains unlikely.

[–] deer1 9 years ago

I tend to be a pretty forgiving guy when it comes to historical fiction. However even I have to admit that this series is not that great. How should I put it? It kind of lacks authenticity.

I instantly noticed several errors which could have been easily avoided if writers had done their homework. Well i'm not a filmmaker, so maybe one can do only so much with a modest budget, but nowdays as a viewer I am expecting to see a better effort than this. Atleast if the series claims to be a serious drama series set in 14th century Wales.

Anyhow previously mentioned issues aside, I can also see some potential. After all actors are decent bunch. Furthermore the basic premise of a knight turning into an executioner (no matter how unrealistic that would be) is surely intresting. So obviously the cast of this show is trying their best, but much of this hard effort is burried underneath a pile of errors and somewhat messy writing.

I'd likely rate this series 5/10 at this point. It is quite average and manages to be somewhat entertaining here and there, but unless they start really getting their *beep* together, this series won't have a long future.

[–] Desepticon 8 years ago

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the show and explain how it got cancelled. Take a show like Vikings: sure they play fast and loose with history and setting sometimes, but it mostly feels realistic. This show just couldn't capture that quality. A real shame. I was really looking forward to having a nice historical drama during the off season of Game of Thrones, Vikings, and Outlander.

My brother was eaten by wolves on the CT Turnpike

[–] nmgal10 8 years ago

Knights were not automatically rich. Their wealth depended on their status at birth. The eldest son would have inherited all the family's wealth, and any subsequent sons would have to earn their way by war booty, tournaments, and gifts of land by their liege lord for loyalty, or by marrying a wealthy heiress.

William Marshall, who became the first Earl of Pembroke, was a penniless knight because he was the third or fourth son. He made a living in tournaments, but later became wealthy because of his service to Henry II, Henry the Young King, Richard I, Bad King John and Henry III. Eventually he married Isabel de Clare, the wealthiest heiress in Britain, with King Henry's permission.

He is considered the greatest knight in English history, but he came from a poor background, and rose by sheer merit. It was a hard road to climb.

The Cranes of Maine have got your Living Brain

[–] anthonynorris-783-181359 8 years ago

What was up with the Moor who could read and write being a peasant in a poor village?
Why would a Moor travel all the way from Spain to be a peasant in Wales?
Why would someone who could read and write not want to work at that but instead be a peasant?