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Life on the Outside




Well now we have some details about what happened to people outside the colonies. Apparently the Raps killed off a good portion of the population but not everyone, and patrol around making sure survivor settlements don't get too big. Humans are social animals. As long as we can't organize well enough and big enough to offer serious resistance we're not a threat. I'd love to see one of those big walker drones the pilot was talking about. This is probably what Snyder meant when he told Katie the outside was "a place you don't want to be". I imagine there are plenty of robbers who will kill you and take what you have.

How long non-perishable foods and medicines (like antibiotics) would last depends mostly on how large a percentage of the people were killed early on. The fewer survivors around to share, the longer that stuff is still available to scavenge. For a time you'd expect people to be friendly and help each other. Human on human violence doesn't become a real problem until the pickings get slim. Then it's every man for himself! It could reach that point before the supplies run low if mobility is difficult though. Do the Raps' flying patrol drones fire on humans walking out in the open during the day, or pass them by unless there's a whole crowd down there? If the Bowmans get out of the bloc we may see for ourselves what it's like.

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"Well now we have some details about what happened to people outside the colonies."

Yep.

" I'd love to see one of those big walker drones the pilot was talking about."

Yep.

"How long non-perishable foods and medicines (like antibiotics) would last depends mostly on how large a percentage of the people were killed early on."

Nope, how long they last in terms (of the quality) has nothing to do with how many people were killed early on. They would have an expiration date and would either still be good, or have expired. Medicines can go bad after the expiration date and do more harm. Food, on the other hand, is either perishable shortly, in jars & cans actually don't last long (maybe 2 yrs for cans, jars much longer), dry goods if stored properly, and not buggy or rodent droppings infested, would last a while IF someone knew what to do with it, and domesticated animals then critters would soon be gone. Now, I'm speaking inner city and suburbs...

"Human on human violence doesn't become a real problem until the pickings get slim."

You're correct, and the violence would start as soon as people started running extremely low on food & water..around 3 days to 1 week.

" Do the Raps' flying patrol drones fire on humans walking out in the open during the day, or pass them by unless there's a whole crowd down there?"

They fire!

"If the Bowmans get out of the bloc we may see for ourselves what it's like."

They have shown us what it's like when Will went to find his youngest son and bring him home.

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-- They have shown us what it's like when Will went to find his youngest son and bring him home.

No. Will went into the adjacent Santa Monica bloc to get his son. Each colony is a little different. There, the average folks were apparently more rebellious than in LA and killed a lot of the red hats soon after the arrival, until there weren't enough left to maintain order. Rather than getting the occupation to send reinforcements from elsewhere the local proxy made a deal with the warlords: meet our weekly quota for the Factory, and we'll give you the run of the bloc. Except of course for the green zone where all the remaining red hats are now stationed. The people of Santa Monica were left to fend for themselves in a criminal-controlled no man's land.

-- They fire!

We don't know that. The pilot said those imperial walker style drones showed up to trash any camp that got too big. Not that the Raps were trying to exterminate every last human being. I mean, maybe the aerial drones DO fire on human travelers but she didn't say that. It's quite possible all the aliens want is to keep human communities small so they can never get organized enough to pose a threat.

-- Nope, how long they last in terms (of the quality) has nothing to do with how many people were killed early on. They would have an expiration date and would either still be good, or have expired. Medicines can go bad after the expiration date and do more harm.

Yes certain things do expire. I'm talking about non-perishables. Canned goods would still be edible for several years. Dried vacuum-packed fruits and meats could literally last for decades, as would certain dessert products like Twinkies, and pre-packaged rations like MREs. Some medicines are actually good well beyond their listed expirations. And some simply lose their potency with time, while others eventually break down into toxic by-products. You have to know your pharmaceuticals to know which is which.

But as far as the non-perishable foods are concerned, how long they last is DIRECTLY related to how many people are out scavenging. If 95% of the population is wiped out on day one, the survivors can live for quite a while on that stuff before they'll have to start harvesting crops and hunting (raising livestock would probably qualify as too organized). On the other hand, if almost no one was killed at the outset resources would be consumed quickly and fighting over what remained would indeed be underway within a week or two.

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Few medicines are really that perishable if stored at or below room temperature. The expiration date is mostly a planned obsolescence number made up by MBAs and lawyers. The lawyers figure out when the first one tenth of one percent of the medicine goes bad when stored in direct sunlight at 140 degrees and then set the expiration date a month before that. The MBAs figure out the average shelf life for stocked medicines and then bump the expiration date back by three months to force new inventories to be ordered "because they expired".

The reality is that most shelf stable medication (ie, doesn't require constant refrigeration) is usually in some hydrochloride salt which are extremely stable if kept dry and at room temperature.

Let's say some some population-depleting apocalypse comes. I would not hesitate to use ANY medicine I scavenged that was a hydrochloride salt base. Any gelcap still intact is also probably OK, too. Even many liquid base medicines that are shelf-stable will last ages if the liquid is alcohol or propylene glycol.

Obviously refrigeration required medications would be a loss, and probably even if you stocked up and refrigerated them. They're refrigerated because they start decaying once they are made, refrigeration just slows decay to some acceptable level. Even with refrigeration they will become unusable over time.

Fortunately most medicines that matter are in some HCl salt formulation and will last years or even decades. At year 10+ after the apocalypse you might have issues with meds found outside a shelter at risk of UV or high heat exposure, but something on a pharmacy shelf? You're fine.

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Interesting. You obviously know your stuff. Are you a pharmacist by any chance? If there's a plague or an asteroid (or an alien invasion) maybe I'll end up owing you my life. Thanks in advance!

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Amateur pharmacist?

No, I read an article about expiration dates on medicine and even the Army has done testing and found that they're effective as much as 15 years past the expiration date.

Of course there are caveats, like getting them wet would be a big problem and there are some which may actually be less stable.

But we're talking a post-industrial wasteland where your options are taking an otherwise intact pill that might not work or dying from a runaway infection. It's not really much of a choice.

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But are those that could decay and turn poisonous? How would we know which ones to avoid?

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My guess is very few would decay and turn poisonous. Drug makers want stable formulations to cut manufacturing and storage costs for them -- they can't scale production horizontally for every single drug, so they have to have produce enough to meet market demand and switch production capacity to other drugs while the stocks of manufactured drugs go out to market. Switchover is expensive and time consuming, so the more they make in a production run the fewer switchovers they have to make.

Truly unstable formulations wind up being refrigerated -- you'd lose those in any scenario.

The biggest risk is not being poisoned by a decayed medicine (assuming it was intact and sealed) but simply one that wasn't effective.

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It would be nice to see more organised cooperative survivors (not necessarily resistance-inclined) on the outside that manage to stay under the walker drones radar, than see basically another Walking Dead sort of hell hole where everyone is out for themselves (mostly).

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You'd be more likely to see cooperation in this sort of environment, when you're facing a common enemy that's both smart and highly advanced. Fight amongst yourselves and you risk having that fight interrupted by aerial and ground drones who show up and splatter everyone. In The Walking Dead the equivalent enemy is utterly mindless, very predictable in its behavior, and easily managed (most of the time) once you figure that behavior out. Not so with the raps.

You could come up with rules and procedures to avoid detection but they'd have to be adhered to with an almost religious devotion. Any complacency could prove fatal. Overly belligerent members of a concealed community who were inclined to start fights or try to seize control would be dealt with harshly - which could very well mean a bullet in the head. Working to stay hidden and keep everyone fed, with proper medical treatment if at all possible, would be the only priorities. Anyone who couldn't grasp that reality would no longer be an asset.

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