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Have some perspective for goodness sake

posted 7 years ago by crazytaxi
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Firstly I am not black or american so my impression of this film regardless of historic inaccuracies is that it was fairly good. It definitely stirred some emotions in me even though I would personally have less empathy to the AST. The visuals were really good as was the acting and the general flow of the film.

Now for my main point, some people are seriously deluded if they think that any war is committed without innocents being slaughtered. Even in modern day wars innocent women and children get murdered...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38848297

The above event happened only a few weeks ago, yet the media coverage hasn't been that Trump is villainous terrorist (in most middle ground new outlets anyway). Bombs have been thrown down from drone attack on a regular basis even under the Obama administration that have killed scores of innocents yet no one is calling Obama a war criminal/terrorist.

Have some perspective, is Nate Turner really a terrorist? If he is a terrorist then every american president for the last century is also a terrorist (excluding Jimmy Carter). He is also a product of his environment, if he has seen is own being killed/raped for no reason at all he will have absolutely no remorse in doing it the other way. Given the fact he was a preacher and probably read the phrase "An eye for an eye" on countless occasion he was practically living in the middle ages, and war in the middle ages isn't far from what he did.

And then there is film like "American Sniper" which is highly praised and where the main protagonist isn't that far from being like Nate Turner in terms of morality.

[–] Border_Ruffian 7 years ago

True, civilians get killed in war. It's an unavoidable fact. But when someone plans to intentionally target civilians it is terrorism. Their whole mission is to terrorize.

"He is also a product of his environment, if he has seen is own being killed/raped for no reason"

That's in the movie but not in the historical record. Turner was motivated by visions and signs in the sky. Probably had some mental disorder.

"And then there is film like "American Sniper" which is highly praised and where the main protagonist isn't that far from being like Nate Turner in terms of morality."

I haven't seen American Sniper. Did he kill unarmed civilians?

[–] littlegeorgie 7 years ago

Their whole mission is to terrorize.

The entire structure of chattel slavery was designed to terrorize Africans by letting them know 24/7 that they were LEGALLY nonhuman and property. And as such, subject to the most vile whims of every member of white society. Man, woman and (especially) immature child. No matter how immoral or mentally ill they were. So long as their resale value was not affected by those whims. And likewise, designed to remind them that everywhere they went and everything they did, that they were potentially subject to beating, being sold, and death, (Particularly if there was a sexual element to what they were accused of.) at a moment's notice. If they even slightly stepped outside the lines of what was proscribed for "animals". And regularly even if they didn't.

An entire day-to-day society completely designed around every member of that society reinforcing terror (as a direct result of being legally declared NONHUMAN, and thus chattel) into the minds of all Africans for more than ten entire generations!!!

Now what was the point you were trying to make about the individual terroristic mind of Nat Turner in comparison to that institutionalized, multi-generational, all-encompassing (both involving and affecting MILLIONS of people) terrorism again???

No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.

[–] littlegeorgie 7 years ago

Now this is the point where Mr Ruffian always mysteriously disappears and pretends he didn't see the contents of this type of post.

No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.

[–] Border_Ruffian 7 years ago

Bet you watched a Roots marathon over the weekend...or you flipped channels between Roots and the Walking Dead and somehow got the two confused as the same program...

The purpose of these type movies - Roots, 12 Years, Nat Turner, etc (a bit of truth mixed with a lot of fiction) - is to manipulate. Play you like a violin. In some cases they succeed.

[–] littlegeorgie 7 years ago

Stop deflecting and address whether the contents of the post are truthful or not.

No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.

[–] littlegeorgie 7 years ago

Look, we already know you're a full-blown, sheet-wearing, bigot. It's not exactly like you've been managing to keep some kind of state secret here regarding that special little proclivity.

But here's the deal... You're still completely anonymous, and there's less that a week left here. So why not just admit that no matter what someone like me says about it, you're going to keep believing what you've always believed about slavery, and racism, and black people, period.

Again, it's not like we didn't already know that ages ago anyway. Why is it so important to keep disappearing in order to keep up appearances that clearly aren't working? It's mostly just weird.

No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.

[–] Border_Ruffian 7 years ago

"full-blown, sheet-wearing, bigot."

Not surprising. That's your standard reaction to anyone who disagrees with you.

But in six short days all of your race-rants will be launched into cyber oblivion.

Sad, sad - all that effort gone to pot. 

[–] littlegeorgie 7 years ago

What a surprise.

Another deflection.

What's the matter, is the content of that first post just a wee bit frightening to you for some strange reason? Why are you avoiding it so desperately with these repeated VERY intentional deflections? Do you take it as some kind of reflection on you personally? If you're NOT a full-blown racist as I accuse you of being, then why won't you touch that subject with a ten-foot pole?

No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.

[–] littlegeorgie 7 years ago

With as much time and effort as you've spent insulting and correcting everyone's understanding of why the Civil War was actually fought (and the schools that teach it), surely you can spare just a few moments to correct my apparently very flawed understanding of chattel slavery too.

No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.