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I've Actually Seen BOTH Sides of this Issue

posted 8 years ago by fletcbk
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I've actually seen both sides of this issue just from an anecdotal perspective...

Pro: I knew a girl who was almost certainly raped by a member of the football team, and she went through a maddening process of "shut up" by everyone from the school admins to the local police--most of whom aren't going to compromise the university especially if it's a college town. [I also heard of a similar, credible case involving a fraternity guy and the university president being in the same fraternity and being reluctant to really look into it.]

Con: I knew a guy who was accused of rape by a girl who was mad at him, and I know for a fact he didn't do it because the supposed night of he left the party with a bunch of us. Criminal charges never stuck to him, but it was investigated (because he was a nobody in terms of sports or fraternities) and she still spread the rumor all over campus pretty much destroying his reputation.

Different Pro: And then I personally had to report a crime--not a rape--on campus, and it was staggering how much the local cops didn't give a ****. They just didn't want to draw attention it at all (like even putting it in the paper to look for suspects) because they didn't want the university to look unsafe. And school admins weren't sympathetic at all, I mean not even to the point of re-scheduling exams.

In Summation: I can see why some posters on this board are concerned that false rape allegations could ruin somebody's life, and they definitely could. BUT I also think universities--like all institutions including the Catholic Church--are reluctant to investigate crimes because they know parents won't send their kids to colleges that are deemed "unsafe."

[–] PopperTheKungFu-Dragon 8 years ago

I agree with what you're saying. I think most people are just on one side or the other, but there problems on both sides and so every claim should be investigated thoroughly and false accusers should be punished as severely as rapists and no one should be exempt from punishment. Of course, that's never gonna happen.

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[–] prosodic 8 years ago

False allegations are very rare. They are horrible if they happen and people DO get held to account if it can be proven they are maliciously made.

Unfortunately, the problem is like your second example. You can't prove he didn't rape her. She says she was raped. So you have decided to take his side. That's what happen in rape cases.

I don't think anyone is denying that false allegations do get made. It's just unfortunate that when women want to speak out about sexual assault and rape the first response is for people to point out that women sometimes, in very rare circumstances, make false reports of rape and sexual abuse. I think the focus should be on he larger number of men who are raping people personally.

[–] flickfix 8 years ago

Please, all those college boys are asking is they demand due process and demand that these cases be handled by the police, not campus kangaroo courts. That's fair.

[–] flickfix 8 years ago

Also, no one is drawing attention to false accusations. It's those women who are very loud in the media about how they had been mishandled, all turned out to be lying. They went to the media for attention.

There are cases where women are convicted of false report, no one is digging through those cases talking about them.

[–] Angry_Dukat 8 years ago

"False allegations are very rare"

This statement isn't based in anything factual or substantial. Try again.

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[–] flickfix 8 years ago

No, you had not seen both sides. Listen to your own preposterous logic. If college campus is a safe haven for rapists where allegations are often dismissed to avoid reputation damage, then, boys wouldn't be concerned with false accusation, would they? Since they can get away even with real rape, those rape-y boys and misogynistic MRAs would want campus court, right? But MRA is calling to abolish this campus kangaroo court, so is RAINN https://rainn.org/news-room/rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape

universities--like all institutions including the Catholic Church--are reluctant to investigate crimes

Nope. If they are reluctant, hand them over to police and let law enforcement and criminal courts do their jobs.

Here is the truth.

Feminist movement deliberately turned domestic violence into a gender narrative when they know it is not. It started way back in the 70s, and rigged the family court. Now women are abusing based family court with false claims against dads with no proof required for leverage in divorce.

Now, feminist movement is trying to do the same with campus kangaroo court, by creating a fake narrative that is "rape culture. They are now demanding "listen and believe" with no proof required. Current campus kangaroo court already deny the accused of any due process, deny the accused of legal help from attorneys, and require only 50.1% believability to convict, and even if found not guilty, is still expelled. But, apparently, that is not enough for feminist movement and they are trying to sell "listen and believe", which means, the accused is immediately guilty and convicted when there is an allegation. Judging by how family court went, you can guess where this is going in the next decade.

If anyone is upset with campus court, get rid of it. Go back to police and criminal court. Don't just expel "rapists" and just register them as sex offenders, hand the allegations to criminal court and put rapists in prison.

Right now, accusers want college to handle allegations, but demanding all allegations be treated as truth, while the accused are demanding allegations be handled by police and trial at criminal court. What a farce of an idiotic circus, it's ridiculous.

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