I appreciate the awareness a movie like this brings, but we live in a society that is veering dangerously towards "guilty until proven innocent," allowing invalidated accusations to be accepted as fact. Most of these girls are telling the truth and should be heard, but if they are found to be a false accuser, the legal ramifications should be stiff. This documentary is very one-sided.
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Exactly. This happened to a good friend of mine who at 23 years old was at a house party, got drunk along with just about everyone else there, around 100 people in attendance.. long story short he met, hung out with and hooked up with a girl in one of the bedrooms.. stayed the night there and both left the next day. Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary for 20 something year old young adults. 2 days later the police arrived on his doorstep and arrested him. Innocent until proven guilty is a joke. Her family had money and pressured the girl into pursuing the matter, he didn't have money and was locked away throughout the ordeal.. he took a plea "bargain" for partial time served and was sentenced to an additional 3 years in prison. Forever branded as a sex offender, it completely ruined his life. All because she said he got her drunk and she really didn't want to have sex that night. So yeah, it does happen.
shareSo your friend is a rapist who was held to account because he forgot the first rule of Rape Club, which is to "rape down" by picking a victim with less privilege than (his) own.
Won't someone PLEASE think of the rape apologists?
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He was drunk. If drunk people can't consent, she is a rapist.
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"I like simple pleasures like butter in my ass and lollipops in my mouth." - Floyd Gondolli
So if we based the law on your rationale, a rapist could expect to walk away scot-free as long as they **claimed** they were drunk at the time.
And rapists sometimes drink before they rape, just as other criminals use alcohol and other substances to ramp up before they commit their crimes.
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But what if in that type of scenario where I as a male is drunk and the woman proceeds to have sex with me, I choose NOT to report her by law and even feel that she hasn't done anything too terrible or traumatic to me, does that ultimately mean that she is not a bad person and can continue living her life free of troubled worries, especially if the police don't apprehend her?
(Yet of course, if genders were reversed, it would be different on several levels, but then men and women are generally different and therefore?)
Its just that, many civilized people, including ones I know, deeply feel that if a man did this, then he deserves to be killed and condemned forever for it if the law doesn't prosecute him, but I kinda wonder attitude wise if...
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2 tzogas - but why SHOULD we? Wouldn't it be better to just wipe them off the face of the Earth?
shareNo, we are headed in a direction where victims are not automatically assumed to be liars... there is an ocean of difference.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
Wrong. If a woman throws a rape charge on me right now, I will automatically be assumed to be guilty, because that's how we think now: an accusation is evidence.
"A progressive is when a liberal goes bad."-Pat Condell
Fortunately for you, you are wrong. The justice system never assumes anyone is guilty. You get a court case, and usually you get lucky. You might want to watch the Cosby case and the Gomeshi case and the Assange case... all three males have strong accusers, yet all three will go free.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
What fantasy world do you live in??
I'm not multi-millionaire, most powerful black man in the entertainment industry, Bill Cosby. I'm an Average Joe. That means if ANY woman accuses me of rape, I'm immediately made into the worst thing to walk this Earth and I have the book thrown at me.
You are living in lala land. It is extremely rare that males do time for these crimes. It is most likely that everyone will blame the woman for not having been strong enough to resist your wondrous efforts.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
I'm not multi-millionaire, most powerful black man in the entertainment industry, Bill Cosby. I'm an Average Joe. That means if ANY woman accuses me of rape, I'm immediately made into the worst thing to walk this Earth and I have the book thrown at me.
If this worries you then do not have casual sex. Get to know the girl or guy before sleeping with them. That way you know they are not liars.
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Feminist victim blaming at its finest.
Read his/her other posts. She/he is a troll. Feminist is his/her favorite word.
shareI am victim blaming? First of all I was referring to the alleged rapists. Therefore, are you are calling the alleged rapists victims?
If the girl/guy who was raped did lie than sure, the accused is somewhat of a victim. But I think that is the wrong word for them. Falsely accused would fit better.
If any guy/girl is WORRIED about being accused of rape ONLY they should stop having casual sex with strangers - get to know the person first and make sure they are not a freak. Clearly you do not do that by your post. So therefore you are at risk of hooking up with a mentally instable, lying girl or guy. As is anyone who has sex with strangers.
somewhat of a victim
The justice system might not assume guilt, but in the court of public opinion, once your accused of rape it's virtually impossible to ever clear your name. Even being found not guilty doesn't completely remove the stigma.
"Aint got no time for bird sex, I wanna fly"
And that my dear is a direct consequence of a justice system that never convicts the guilty rapist, or almost never... therefore, both the victims and the rapists all know that guys get away with rape... result people no longer trust the justice system.
Once the justice system gets a better conviction rate, trust in the process will improve and less social weight will ensue.
You remember OJ... killer not rapist... declared innocent... It is not just rape it is any crime that is left unpunished that erodes social trust in the justice system.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
Once the justice system gets a better conviction rape
What a marvellous typo! Thank you. ;)
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
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A few years back there was a guy where I live who was arrested and charged with the rape of a woman he used to date but was no longer with. She had moved on, got married, had a baby, etc.
She had decided to cause injuries to herself to make it look like she'd been raped, she called the cops and told them that he raped her. They showed up at his door, arrested him, booked him on rape charges and put him in jail. Turns out, he had been at the movies with friends that night and had not been in contact with her. He had proof of his activities that night but it didn't seem to matter. What she said trumped anything he said. Eventually she admitted to lying about the accusations but unfortunately for him, this state has very limited expungement laws, only in the case of mistaken identity. Now, he is considered a sex offender and he didn't do a single thing to deserve it.
After this incident, the same woman passed her baby through a window to a friend and the friend took the baby home with her. Then the woman called the police and said my baby is missing and "Bob" took it, referring to the guy who she had made up the rape story about.
I didn't know the guy but I knew he was military and I crossed my fingers he'd get sent to Afghanistan of Iraq because it seemed like he'd be safer there.
There was another case I saw a documentary about where this guy went to a party and met a girl and they left to go talk. She had driven her friends to the party and basically abandoned them with no way home when she left with the guy. She got back, her friends were mad at her and roughed her up. She didn't want them to be mad so she made up a story where he had raped her to garner sympathy from her friends. She reported the made-up "incident" and said marks left on her by her friends were done by her rapist. He was arrested and sentenced to prison. Years later she had a change of heart and admitted that he had not raped her and they had not had sex at all and she lied because she didn't want her friends mad at her. He was released.
My point is this, the legal system will assume a person is guilty or not guilty. Yes, they'll have a court case but in situations like I described the charge has already been set and in a state where they won't expunge the record like in the event the accuser is found to have lied, the life of the falsely accused is forever affected. In both cases the accused was released when the lies were admitted but the damage is done. The first case I mentioned the guy had physical proof, witnesses as to his whereabouts,, a solid alibi but none of that mattered just because this loony woman said she'd been raped by him and in the court of popular opinion, if she said she was raped then she must have been raped. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
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The whole purpose of this documentary was to give a voice to these young women who have been told to keep quiet by everyone in power at their institutions and have been made to feel as if they're health and well-being is of no importance.
You say "most" are telling the truth. What basis do have to say that any of them are lying? Statistically, it's extremely unlikely that any of these women are not telling the truth. Only 32% of sexual assaults are reported. 2% - 8%of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies. This number can't take into account the many cases in which women recant because they are put through hell in the investigative process by defense attorneys, school administrators and even by their friends and families.
I haven't seen this documentary yet, but I'm sure it would have given you a good idea of the further trauma these victims are put through after they speak out. You should really be asking yourself why you can't trust these women. They've lost so much in the process of telling their truth - they've had nothing to profit off.
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Not scary as 7 of 10 sex assaults aren't even reported
What are you saying is that because that are 2-8% of woman who lie about it all rapist should walk?
And this folks, is how you distort someone's words. You know better Junmengo. Magerk4 didn't say any of that, you're just looking to fuel fire here.
What he is saying is that our criminal justice system is predicated on the fact that sometimes people lie and sometimes people are mistaken. An accusation does not equal guilt. With rape accusations however, there is this growing trend among gender ideologues to always believe the accuser, regardless of any evidence to contrary.
By the way, the statistics regarding false rape accusations are sketchy at best. The FBI reports 8 percent but other studies put it higher than that. If you look at the results of rape kits for example, where DNA evidence could be obtained, a whopping 25 percent exonerate the accused.
That is false, the trend is that we no longer automatically dismiss the victim's testimony, we are light years away from what you are insinuating.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
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If they aren't reported then there is no accurate way to know how many sexual assaults there actually are.
The real number is most likely much lower than these outstandingly large claims of 1 in 4 or 1 in 5.
You can't just say, "no one has told us that a sexual assault happened but we're going to throw a tally up there in the 'happened' column."
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It's also been shown that some of that "false report" number were accusations made by people other than the victim. So, it wasn't even a vindictive woman or a regretful woman that made the report. The false reports for rape/assault are along the same numbers as false reports for every other crime - burglary, child abuse, theft. There are false reports filed for everything. That doesn't mean that the 92-98% of true reports should be immediatley dismissed, as appears to be happening now.
'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect'-Mark Twain
No, they are not, maybe try doing some research instead of just listening to Ms. Magazine. No one knows for sure how many rape reports are false, but 2% is a joke. It is FAR easier to make a false rape claim than it is for make a false murder claim, use your head.
Look into this topic more, you can find studies that make claims from as little as 1% to as high as 90%. I don't claim to know the absolute number, or that it's anywhere near 90%, but 2% is laughable.
BTW, where is your evidence that "98% of true claims" are being dismissed?
What's Ms. Magazine? Is that a thing? The statistics are from the docunentary.....you know, the one we're commenting on.
And also here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
Here
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416536/how-common-are-false-rape-charges-really-jason-richwine
And here
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/even-if-false-rape-reports-are-rare-they-shouldnt-be-ignored/article/2568250
I did read many many reports after I saw this film, so your allegations against me not doing any resesrch are as plainly arrogant as your rape defense. Very few men have any right or leg to stand on to even discuss this matter unless you were yourself a victim or personally know a victim. If you have them, ask your mom, your sister or any girl you know. Odds are one of them had a close encounter or an assault, and odds are, they didn't even report it. Why don't you do that for research, or are you afraid to know the truth? And I speak from experience When I was 17, a married man felt up my skirt at my NEW JOB and when I told my supervisor he made my life hell and I quit. I didn't go to the police. Put that in your pipe and smoke it And I know many others, so would you if you weren't so blind and deaf.
'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect'-Mark Twain
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She probably made a false rape accusation because she's sorry she touched your micro penus. You hate women, it shows, and no amount of truth, which is all over the place, will change your mind, so go eff yourself too, needle dic.
'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect'-Mark Twain
She probably made a false rape accusation because she's sorry she touched your micro penus.
No misrepresentation there. Modern feminism is little more than one gigantic shame-fest against men. Mocking a mans penis for example.
shareMocking any person's genitalia, or personal appearance, or anything about them that is inherent to their personhood, is anti-feminist. Shame on the person who said those things.
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But you didn't castigate herbertnenenger for her "anti-feminism" now did you? Thanks for exposing another important aspect of modern feminism - hypocrisy.
shareI will ask you not to task me with running after every person claiming to be a feminist and scold them on your behalf. And as I've already pointed out, this person's actions are not representative of feminism to begin with. If you were a feminist yourself, educating without castigation would (hopefully) become as natural to you as breathing. With enough practice.
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this person's actions are not representative of feminism to begin with.
If you were a feminist yourself, educating without castigation would (hopefully) become as natural to you as breathing.
But you are demanding the resources of my time to scold others on your behalf - and then using the essays of others to big up your own position.
I'll wait while you fulfill the rest of your prophetic projection(s).
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I didn't demand anything. Do you even know what hypocrisy means? You're not scolding on my behalf but yours.You're the one with an ideology to defend, not me.
shareThen perhaps trying to make others feel guilty for not scrubbing the pot you shat in doesn't count as a demand. My mistake.
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According to your idea of what counts as anti-feminism it was herbertnenenger who defecated on your ideology.
shareI've no intention of getting between you two and your little spat, so it's unclear to me whether herbertnenenger identifies as a feminist, or whether you just took that assumption and ran with it.
Because either way, your comment was erroneous.
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Re: "Defend(ing)":
More accurately, correcting your misrepresentation. Your misrepresentation. You as an individual. From one individual to another.
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Since you seem to have missed it the first time: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman
Ok - since you seem to have missed it the first time, I made a fairly mild comment which gently suggested that posting the arguments of others in an attempt to big up your own position/argument is engaging in the same behavior of which you accuse others. (Riding on their status. Sound familiar?)
I do not click on links, nor do I, as a general rule, post links of my own. Why not? Because I come to boards like this to interact with "everyday people" who offer fully-formed opinions of their own. If I wanted to read something by a person with whom I am unable to engage to discuss their argument, then I wouldn't come to places like this. Would I.
You are on your own, for better or worse. If you have any thoughts of your own, then by all means stand on your very own two feet and share them.
Even better when you are able to effectively defend them.
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I do not click on links, nor do I, as a general rule, post links of my own.
No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim ("no Scotsman would do such a thing"), rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group).
Philosophy professor Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an "ad hoc rescue" of a refuted generalization attempt. The following is a simplified rendition of the fallacy:
Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Person B: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge."
Person A: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
You made what could be called an appeal to purity as a way to dismiss relevant criticisms or flaws of your argument.
In this form of faulty reasoning one's belief is rendered unfalsifiable because no matter how compelling the evidence is, one simply shifts the goalposts so that it wouldn't apply to a supposedly 'true' example. This kind of post-rationalization is a way of avoiding valid criticisms of one's argument.
this person's actions are not representative of feminismisn't a valid argument. Herbertnenenger's behavior is either typical of modern feminists or it isn't (I can post a mountain of links you won't read in support of the fact that it is). You want to argue it isn't, fine, but don't throw out the stupidest most obvious fallacy in the book and expect to be taken seriously. share
"I don't click on links", by definition, means that I am not interested in someone else's essay, so stop trying to shove it down my throat. And quit hiding behind the words and thoughts of others. That is what is stupid and obvious - not to mention unoriginal.
You're on your own. Step up or step off.
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I didn't post an essay my dear. By the way, you've engaging in yet more behavior typical of feminists - Intellectual dishonesty. Thanks for helping me prove my point.
shareOne can hardly think of anything more intellectually dishonest than a person who tries to pass off another person's homework as their own.
You've been coasting too long on your own privilege to even know when you're mediocre. Stale and dull. Next.
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One can hardly think of anything more intellectually dishonest than a person who tries to pass off another person's homework as their own.
You've been coasting too long on your own privilege to even know when you're mediocre. Stale and dull. Next.
Once again trying to pass off someone else's homework as your own. F minus.
Find your own thoughts....if you are at all able.
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I didn't post an essay my dear.
By the way, you've engaging in yet more behavior typical of feminists-
Intellectual dishonesty.
Thanks for helping me prove my point.
But yeah. You did.
I've been quite honest and forthright
Your point is irrelevant in the face of your intention behind it
Wikipedia is not, at any rate, a stable educational source. Nor are its entries "evidence". You have an extremely low standard of erudition.
And you are now officially wasting my time. No surprises there, either.
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Wikipedia is not, at any rate, a stable educational source. Nor are its entries "evidence". You have an extremely low standard of erudition.
Hmmmm so all this is just a performance for you.
Well let me tell you something, player. It is not appropriate for you to crash a comments board relating to rape and rape victims, with your song n' dance rape apologist routine. You talk about "intellectual honesty" - when this is not an academic EXERCISE for women. It is the stuff of their lives - which they cannot ever talk about without having to deal with your intellectual VANITY.
Your hostility and pettiness speak to your own selfishness. Grow a conscience.
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not to be taken seriously
See? That's exactly what I mean.
But then, rape apologists do not possess a full command of language. They mostly rely on hyperbole and shame. And copy n' paste.
t would seem that you are incapable of saying what you mean unless someone, anyone else, says it for you.
Their need to undermine and devalue the voices of women by any means necessary, whatever the cost.
Hmmmm so all this is just a performance for you.
It is not appropriate for you to crash a comments board relating to rape and rape victims, with your song n' dance rape apologist routine.
You talk about "intellectual honesty" - when this is not an academic EXERCISE for women. It is the stuff of their lives - which they cannot ever talk about without having to deal with your intellectual VANITY.
Your hostility and pettiness speak to your own selfishness.
TL;DR:
"Feminism: U R doin it rong."
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No. You started it with your rape apology and the centering of your own feelings above those of the rape victims you piss all over with every passing post.
And your vanity will not permit you to examine your feelings of entitlement to do so.
And you will stay on this board, posting petty post after petty post, much like a rapist who cannot take no for an answer when it's coming from a woman.
And you have spent your life being told that you are smarter by default, so you have had no reason to develop yourself as a person of real smarts or wisdom.
And you are a throwback; a retrograde version of toxic entitlement. And you're on your way out.
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No. You started it with your rape apology and the centering of your own feelings above those of the rape victims you piss all over with every passing post
And you will stay on this board, posting petty post after petty post
And you have spent your life being told that you are smarter by default, so you have had no reason to develop yourself as a person of real smarts or wisdom.
And you are a throwback; a retrograde version of toxic entitlement. And you're on your way out.
Not all opinions are created equal; nor are they equally legitimate.
YOUR opinion, such as it is, rides on the momentum of an unequal system whose time is coming to an end. But you've been entrained to believe that your opinion matters just that much more than anyone else's.
But you need to know that my position is not just about ME; it is about the rights of so many others to move through a society without fear and threat against them; it is about dismantling a system that gives people like you your false sense of superiority.
I don't need to read your posts anymore to know what they say: I already know that they are the stuff of the smaller picture; the picture of "you 'n me" you have in your head that ultimately features you standing on my neck.
You are already on the wrong side of history, son. Your time is coming to an end.
Accept it gracefully.
Edit: And accept the fact that "Internet is Forever", and whatever you don't delete stands as the mark you leave upon the world - and is subject to scrutiny, challenge, and criticism at the leisure and convenience of anyone who happens to stumble upon it. Deal with it.
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Not all opinions are created equal; nor are they equally legitimate.
YOUR opinion, such as it is, rides on the momentum of an unequal system whose time is coming to an end. But you've been entrained to believe that your opinion matters just that much more than anyone else's
But you need to know that my position is not just about ME; it is about the rights of so many others to move through a society without fear and threat against them; it is about dismantling a system that gives people like you your false sense of superiority.
I don't need to read your posts anymore to know what they say
You are already on the wrong side of history, son. Your time is coming to an end.
And accept the fact that "Internet is Forever", and whatever you don't delete stands as the mark you leave upon the world - and is subject to scrutiny, challenge, and criticism at the leisure and convenience of anyone who happens to stumble upon it. Deal with it.
LOLOLOL!
Your rambling screed has been a complete waste of time, as it has also gone ignored. You're a source of entertainment at this point. By all means, tell us more, tell us more, like did he have a car?
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You started it!
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You started it!
And thanks for once again proving my original point. All you have is sneering, condescending snark and shaming language. Its all you have. No arguments, no facts, nothing.
shareYou are a waste of my time, and yes, you should be ashamed of yourself. But rape apologists have no shame. You get nothing but my contempt. Oh, and also my mocking laughter.
Now go ahead and quote me to turn my brilliance back onto me (oh, burn!) - seems like that's all you're capable of. Polly want a cracker? *whistles*
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Statistically, it's extremely unlikely that any of these women are not telling the truth.
Gotta love the rape apologists.
What's skewed about your cries of witchhunt and feminist sycophants is that there is absolutely no reward for filing a complaint against a person. The accusers are most often ostracized and recipients of death threats and rape threats. Where is the benefit in filing a report when this is the result? Did you actually see the film? Did you? Did you see what these women went through? Do you think they're doing it for fame/notoriety/money? Because it's not happening. It doesn't happen. They are doing it because a great injustice was done to them. They were violated and they're trying to stop the person from doing it again. This is all they get out of it, and that's why tens of thousands of rapes don't get reported - because they get accused, by people like you, that their accusations are fairy tales and they're just trying to reap some imaginary benefit from it. All the females I know that were assaulted and/or raped did NOT report it. I'm sure they're just lying about that too. You're disgusting.
'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect'-Mark Twain
"Rape apologist" - stopped reading after that, you are an idiot.
shareName one other crime a man can be accused of and instantly thought guilty by 99% of woman who hear about it?
It's kind of disgusting how woman and white knights keep accusing men, (fathers, brothers, sons) of being pro-rape because we're pro PROOF.
You are spending way too much time in your mind, and not enough time in the real world if you think that.
If the "guilty" verdict was 99%, yes, then you'd be right.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
The poster is saying that in 2015 the court of public opinion overwhelmingly sides with the accusers.
shareYes, the legal system heavily favours the accusED.
Yes, the court of public opinion heavily favours the accusED.
As for the OP, he is actually complaining that the documentary presents only the victim side. Because he does not understand that the victims rarely ever get their voice heard, and that this is one rare such opportunity. He is voicing the MRA dogma, oh the poor "falsely accused"... like some white guys voice the dreadful oppression of the white people...
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
The legal system isn't supposed to favor either the accused or the accuser, it is supposed to insist on a standard of innocent until proven guilty. Many college administrators and authoritarian gender ideologues in academia are attempting to do away with that standard in order to pursue their witch hunt. Color me unimpressed. Tossing due process under the bus to push an agenda is deplorable, regardless of whether it occurs within a legal setting or one of these college kangaroo courts.
shareThis, a lot of people don't understand, or care, about "innocent until proven guilty", they want people who are claiming to be victims of rape to be believed just on word alone, and then proceed to destroy the lives of the accused.
The "mattress girl" is a perfect example of this; people who sided with her accused the university of protecting rapists, despite the fact that the accused was never even proven to be guilty.
It's things like this why I don't align myself with feminists, because it has become a cult of entitlement for women rather then a equal rights movement
The whole point of the documentary is, is that especially on college campuses, the perpetrator is rarely ever proven guilty, for reasons shown in the film Did you even see it?
Cult of entitlement. That's rich.
'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect'-Mark Twain
The whole point of the documentary is to cherry pick a few rare examples and present them as the norm, and you fell for it.
shareWhen do victims not get their voice heard? You sure make a lot of accusations with nothing to back them.
shareBeing thought guilty by the public and being convicted are 2 different things nitwit, geez, why is it every feminist is dumb as a brick, well, that's a rhetorical question obviously, what sensible person would believe any of this BS?
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Just because you got falsely accused of rape (and yeah, that is fked up---good thing you were able to clear your name) and know a few others who were also accused falsely, does NOT mean that ALL women make false accusations about rape. That's really stretching it. Your experience isn't representative of ALL men, either. There are rapists out there, and some of the dismissive attitudes some other men (and possibly women) on this board clearly have toward the subject are the same kinds of attitudes that let actual rapists go unpunished. I haven't finished watching the film yet, but one former male college student broke down exactly how (and very disturbingly) the guys in his fraternity specifically targeted certain girls---especially those who were too drunk, and had nobody around to look after to make sure they got back to the dorm safely. There's also the dude who did time for sexual assault on how he targeted his victims.
And then there's also the three men who said that even though they reported their assaults, they still got basically blown off by the colleges and nothing was done for them either in terms of trying to get justice for themselves. Very few men report getting sexually assaulted either,for obvious reasons,too.
And as to the OP's question---the accused chose not to appear on camera, I'm sure, for obvious reasons,too.
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So for some real stats...
http://reason.com/archives/2015/03/04/raping-culture
The Rolling Stone story sounded extraordinary from the beginning. "But for several days, people in the media just believed it, and publicized it, and anguished over it," says Sommers. To doubt was taboo. "The hysteria around campus assault, the false information has been building for so long," warns Sommers, "people are willing to believe anything."
President Obama added to the misinformation by pandering to the feminist victim lobby, creating a "sex abuse task force" and repeating a widely quoted—yet obviously absurd—rape statistic: "It is estimated that one in five women on college campuses has been sexually assaulted during their time there. One in five!"
Yes, Mr. President, we hear that a lot.
But it's a lie.
At allegedly horrible University of Virginia, where Rolling Stone said assault was routine, .46 sexual offenses were reported per thousand students. That's still too many, but for "one in five" to be true, it would have to be 200.
Admittedly, many victims of assault fear going public, so the UVA number may be higher than .46. Nevertheless, one in five just isn't plausible.
"The figure is closer to one in 50," says Sommers of colleges overall.
How dare you bring facts into this argument. I can't even believe how stupid people are to believe for 1 sec that 1 in 4 women on college get raped. Seriously, what woman would go to college knowing she has a 25% change of getting raped? Does anyone even stop and think for a second these days?
shareNo, no they don't.
The director actually seems to have gone out of his way to make sure he presented a biased film.
It seems that at least one of these girls was lying about their "rape".
Here is an interesting article about this film
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/05/is-campus-rape-really-an-epidemic.html
Until now, the accused have been the ONLY voices. Things are simply correcting... as they should.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
It seems that although you're replying to my comment that you didn't actually read it.
Then I noticed you actually went through the whole thread adding your two cents to most comments whether the fit or not.
One problem is that the accused is splattered all over the news and the accuser remains anon. This is grossly unfair , unless they are both mentioned or not at all. If I were accused , you can best believe the person accusing me of any crime would be mentioned in social media.
shareThe more you guys want sympathy for rapists, the more these films are needed. The documentary is one-sided because the truth is one-sided. Why is it so hard for you to believe that men rape women? It's a man's nature to seek sex, and it's a woman's nature to not want sex until she knows the man is committed to her. Do you think women just give it up? No. This society refuses to see guys as anything but studs in the bedroom, which is why women are slut-shamed and blamed for their own rapes.
It's the women who are guilty until proven innocent. The only reason you think otherwise is because feminists and activists finally have a voice and are speaking out against the corrupt system. But has the judicial system changed? NO. The system is run by men like you who refuse to see men as sexual predators and instead blame the women. Every single woman who reports a rape is slut-shamed, embarrassed and put through unnecessary humiliation in an attempt to make her drop the charges or make her look mentally unstable. The system tries to make the woman feel guilty for potentially ruining these poor guys' lives. And this has bled over into the media several times, including CNN sympathizing with the rapists on numerous occasions. There are even over 400,000 untested rape kits. This is why so many women do not report rapes.
And can we please just look at MOTIVE. Women gain NOTHING from falsely reporting a rape. The only thing they get is constant shame and humiliation. Why would a man lie? Because he would go to prison, his reputation would be ruined, his credibility would be ruined, and he would lose everything. I think that's substantial motive, don't you think? All the Vanderbilt football players pled not guilty, and the video they taped of their gang rape, in which they laughed hysterically throughout, proved them guilty.
Women are by nature nurturing and compassionate and do not have it in them to go through the entire process and put an innocent man behind bars for no reason. If you understood women at all, you would know that.
You are wrong. If a woman accuses a famous person they are set for life. Of course, rape happens but lets not make every woman out to be so innocent. I know a lawyer that works for men and you would not believe in divorce cases how many women falsely bring charges of molestation on their children, sexual abuse and physical abuse. The legal system is all too willing to convict these men or at the least work to get the female a better settlement from the guy. Please spare me. I reiterate if my name gets splattered ever by being falsely accused, I am going to twitter,FB and anywhere else on social media to expose the opportunistic fraud. Lets see Erica give all her money she makes from this publicity to female charities . I bet she only gives a token of the money she will make if at all.
shareUneducated low-life tiny man-baby on the prowl.
Set for life? From what? Rape money? No such thing, you yo-yo. How about you go back to 5th grade so you can learn the basics of the judicial system. And the only time a settlement takes place is when the guy's lawyer knows he's guilty and wants to prevent his client from going to prison. Settlements buy off the rape victims and let rapists walk free.
There is no such thing as a lawyer who only takes male clients, especially since that would leave him twiddling his thumbs most of the time. You must be thinking of your imaginary friend lawyer existing in your idealistic misogynistic fantasy land.
You actually sound desperate to be accused. Unless you're planning for something, nobody would ever accuse a loser like you of anything. Just sit down; no one cares. If you're this desperate to bitch about women and claim victimhood for men, you must really, really love men, which is fine. I don't judge.
But of course the personal attacks. When one can not debate that is where they go. This guy does take female clients but he specializes in mainly working for men. It seems the true losers are people that go around calling others losers. You sound very bitter. All I am saying is that there is a high percent of men accused of awful crimes that they are not guilty. These are facts.
shareYou personally attacked me when you replied to my post before deleting it, like a little coward, in an attempt to claim the moral high ground. Nice try. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
Lawyers can't specialize in a gender. Law specializations include civil rights, entertainment, intellectual property, probate, etc., not male or female. It is against the law to discriminate based on gender, whether you like it or not.
And your delusional little claims that you pull out of your misogynistic ass do not qualify as "facts." Your thoughts are not facts just because you think them. An example of a legitimate fact is the statistic found by the Justice Department, which is that only 2-8% of rape allegations are false, meaning 92-98% of alleged rapists are guilty. The justice system itself is flawed, and many men and women are wrongly convicted. But rape is the one crime in which the victim is blamed, and 98% of rapists never spend one day in jail. These are facts. Deal with it.
I did not personally attack anyone else or you. I read my post. Everything I said is pertaining to the situation. You can call me a misogynist , delusional all that you want; That does not change the fact that men are screwed a high percent of the time by women with an agenda to take their money. Sure there are evil men that do awful things. Again, you show your argument is hollow when you call me names like misogynist ass, delusional or a loser. People that have to personally attack others in a debate situation, show at best they can not debate and at worst have low self esteem. We can disagree without going in the gutter.
shareYou know what you said before you deleted it. In any case, I cited facts and statistics. You chose to ignore them so you could, again, parrot the same misogynistic delusional claim about women conspiring to take "rape money" from a high percentage of men.
Yeah, women waltz into police stations and just fabricate entire rape stories in front of strangers and then an entire court as a small part of the nearly year long process, in which they have to pay a lot of money to hire a lawyer, all in an attempt to convict some broke college kid of a crime (of which the culprit is acquitted 9/10 times) just to get some "rape money." Yeah, that makes complete sense. Great "debate" points you got there.
This is no more a matter of debate as debating that the sky is blue. Facts are facts. Clearly you are the one with low self-esteem. You can keep making empty, unsubstantiated claims that hold no water, or you can man up and address the truth that's staring you straight in the face.
Name one single fact or statistic that was factual that you stated...you only stated run of the mill feminist BS that has been debunked countless times.
shareWow, that's a pretty funny statement, Bill Cosby's victims are not set for life, Roman Polanski's victim was not set for life, Woody Allan's victims are not set for life, etc, etc
Then there are all the politician celebrities who completely get away with rape.
The reality in this matter, through the decades, if women accused a celebrity male of rape, the accused pretty much automatically won... without even the case being heard in court.
At a minimum, these issues should see their day in court, because even the legal system thinks all women are lying.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
When a film likes this comes out exposing the rape epidemic and coverup, immediately guys come out with all the times where the woman lied, as if that dismisses all the women that are telling the truth about their assaults. I think the 400,000 untested rape kits in the U.S. speaks volumes.
I would too. Wait... Of course I'm on the flip as as a male rape survivor I get the joys of not being accused but being dismissed because women can't rape. TBF though BOTH my parents were involved so it wasn't just a woman but seriously I have witnessed first hand how little help there is for men on both sides. No victim shelters for men, no obvious public outreach, being totally and almost unanimously ignored or even insulted by modern feminists among other because I must have liked it or something. I don't remember I blacked out back at age seven got PTSD and repressed it all so I can't recall if I enjoyed it.
Oprah once said, "A women born in the US is the luckiest woman on the planet." and I agree but I'm beginning to feel a man born is the US is quit unlucky.
"LaquishaShaniqua"
Troll detected.
10 out of 10 bait.
shareSympathy for the rapist? Asking for proof is sympathy for rapists, either you are a troll or one of the dumbest people on the planet.
Women are by nature nurturing and compassionate and do not have it in them to go through the entire process and put an innocent man behind bars for no reason. If you understood women at all, you would know that.
Other than Jameis Winston, whose accusation was already very public, none of the accused are named in this movie. All of the victims who tell their stories are named, which means they are really putting themselves out there. The ("alleged") rapists aren't even the main targets of this film. The documentary is really attacking the universities for enabling the culture of rape and letting rapists get away with it for petty publicity or financial reasons. They did reach out to the universities for interviews and across the board the universities declined. There is one interview with a rapist who had been convicted and served jail time. He is not named and his face is blurred out. What he says directly supports what is said by every other subject in the film.
shareNotice that the only person who gets a name is the one whose case is suspicious:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/doublex/2015/06/the_hunting_ground_a_closer_look_at_the_influential_documentary_reveals.html
Something very odd is happening with today's feminists, I think the concept of objectivity is fading away.
I agree and I happen to be liberal. I try to be objective. I have one on here that can not even debate , but just calls me names. It is disgusting and uncalled. It shows when they have no answers , they have to hit below the belt. Feminists need to be intellectually honest at the least and realize there are men that are accused unjustly for whatever reason.. Financial, defense mechanism to overcome shame , forced companionship etc. The sooner more people are intellectually honest, the better we can handle all these problems and worry less about crying wolf. It trivializes the fact that there are bad men that do awful things to women and this needs to be the focus, but in a fair way , where we can all respect one another.
shareI agree and I happen to be liberal. I try to be objective. I have one on here that can not even debate , but just calls me names. It is disgusting and uncalled. It shows when they have no answers , they have to hit below the belt. Feminists need to be intellectually honest at the least and realize there are men that are accused unjustly for whatever reason.. Financial, defense mechanism to overcome shame , forced companionship etc. The sooner more people are intellectually honest, the better we can handle all these problems and worry less about crying wolf. It trivializes the fact that there are bad men that do awful things to women and this needs to be the focus, but in a fair way , where we can all respect one another.
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You are a rape appologist. You are a disgrace to Homo sapiens.
***So I've seen 4 movies/wk in theatre for a 1/4 century, call me crazy?**
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What on earth do you have to say to male rape victims? People like you are usually the first to start screaming, "Men get raped TOOOOOOOOO!!!11"
Women are just believed because vagina.