Robyn was not raped


Just watched the movie and come to this conclusion.
My point is that a simple d.n.a test would prove Gordy raped Robyn and he would be locked up for years, so why would he wear a mask in the video if d.n.a test could easily prove his identity? He wears a mask because while a d.n.a test could easily prove Gordy was not the dad( which i think he wasn't) the video would show Police, that Robyn was drugged and molested but by a mystery person wearing a mask (a mask of a monkey to further traumatise Simon with his monkey phobia taunting him further). Simon would know who it was behind the mask, but good luck proving that to police. Seems like that Bateman character had enemies along the way.
I find it hard to believe that Gordy would rape someone who was so nice to him, although it seems he was not above using her as a tool to get back at Simon. It seemed as if Gordo genuinly liked her in his warped way. I think his visit to the hospital was more about seeing how she and the baby were, but the film spun it to look as if he was checking up on his own offspring. The baby wasn'nt his, he just liked Robyn.
Think about it, what if he did rape Robyn and the kid was really his, the kid would be rejected by the Bateman character and a possibility of being rejected by the Robyn character, probably reducing the poor kid to a life worse than what Gordy experienced, knowing his mom was raped and his dad was in jail facing life imprisonment, years reflecting and contemplating on what he condemed his own kid to. What would be the point of that? Revenge on an old enemy by demonising your own ofspirng to face a horrible life worse than the one he is trying to avenge, while you rot in prison, and tha Bateman character free to rebuild his life ? Seemes like he would be sabotaging himself in the worse way, not Simon. Makes no sense.

This was just revenge from a pyschologically damaged person out for payback. Gordy just wanted to show Simon how easy it is to manipulate and destroy a persons life with lies and falsehoods, just like what happened to him. He didn't need to rape anybody, just implying this was damaging enough to prove his point.

Gordy can now dissappear and live his own life, a psychological weight lifted allowing him to move on.

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The tape cut off with the masked Gordo waving to the camera, the implication being that she was perhaps about to be raped. Noting for the police to go off of, even it it went that far.

Having said that, I don't believe that he raped her either. He was merely torturing Simon with the possibility that he had been able to take everything from him the way they Simon had done to him. Gordo was not a psychopath. He was just a very damaged person who was pulling out all the stops in order to get revenge. In the time it would take for a DNA test to come back, Simon would be going crazy and Robyn would hate him all the more for putting her through it (especially since she believed that Simon had attacked Gordo, reinforcing her idea of him as a ruthless bully.)

This film defied expectations in the best possible way--the "villain" was entirely in the right, and was never shown to be someone who would hurt an innocent person just to further his plan. Sure he poisoned the fish (that were actually his, since he'd gifted them), he kidnapped the dog and drugged the wife, but he explicitly refrained from harming anyone. His ultimate goal was to hurt Simon by showing everyone what a bastard he was.

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Disagree. IMO I don't believe Gordo poisoned the fish. It's more likely that Simon did the deed as he was annoyed that Gordo was gifting them with live gifts instead of just a bottle of wine. Simon wanted Gordo out of his life. We really never find out if the dog was kidnapped and then set loose or just wandered off on his own when Gordo found him.


I used to think this theory was true, until I viewed it a second time. When Simon finds out the fish were dead and the dog was missing he became visibly angry. He stormed over to Gordo's "pretend" house and flipped out on the lady who answered the door, demanding to speak to her husband... who he thought was Gordo. If he was behind the fish and the dog incident, I don't think he'd be as upset/angry as he was. Maybe in front of Robyn to put on an act... but not when he was alone. He drove over in a rage all by himself, something he wouldn't have done if he knew the whereabouts of the dog and the cause of the fish dying.

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I don't recall him saying "it could be poisoned", I think he just said "don't touch the water", which really isn't THAT suspicious seeing that they just had a falling out with Gordo. Simon knew Gordo had lurked on their property before, so I don't think it would be out of the question for him to worry about the water.

I just think it's way too convenient if the dog just so happened to vanish on his own right after they broke off ties with Gordo... AND just so happened to vanish on his own when the fish died. It's just like people saying Robyn just so happened to faint on her own. Like I said, it's way to convenient. I think people are trying to take the blame off of Gordo for absolutely everything possible. When in fact, he's proved to be a pretty twisted individual himself too.

My main thing though is Simon's body language. When he found out what had happened to the dog and the fish he became visibly upset... while he was alone. If he was just acting angry in front of Robyn, then sure, maybe he was just trying to take suspicion off of himself. But he was enraged even when he was shown alone. If he had done it, he'd just shrug it off and act worried only when he was in the presence of Robyn and the police. But the fact that he drove over to Gordo's fake house in a rage tells me that he didn't have anything to do with those particular incidents.

Like you said though, it will be really nice once the DVD/Blu-Ray comes out. This movie definitely requires multiple viewings!

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I guess people hear are not always going to agree with the robin was not raped topic and I'm on the she was not raped side.i do know there is at least one person here who is convinced that he did rape her who frustrates me and I feel he or she has a bad attitude about this.

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You do have an interesting way of looking at things. I think you are wrong with these conclusions, but you did make me think. You definitely didn't deserve some of the comments on here. The Internet can be a cesspool at times.

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If you watch the ALT ending on the blu ray, you can see everything that Gordo did or didn't do.

He did take the dog, and he clearly didn't rape Robyn. Cant remember if they showed him killing the fish but he obviously did that too.

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I figured as much. I just like when posters think differently and pose different ideas. Some of the feedback was just a bit much for a differing point of view.

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Wow you are pretty dense... I believe that you want to fully feel sorry for Gordo to believe that he wouldn't hurt the fishes. I feel bad for Gordo and I'm happy that Simon didn't get his way for all of his lies. Real people who are like Simon are leeches and I have no sympathy for. I have more sympathy for Gordo but the reality of it all is he killed the fishes, not Simon. People have been telling you over and over again that Simon acting all angry at Gordo when no one is around doesn't make sense! If Simon was the one that killed the fishes then he wouldn't waste his time trying to find Gordo, instead he would make up another "lie" and tell his wife that he went back to look for Gordo and told him off, and yet you continue to be oblivious. That's mind boggling. And btw, if I had a pond and all of the fishes had died at the same time, it's common sense not to touch them.

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Maybe you should've read the 'essay' because they are arguing for your side knucklehead!

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Although this movie didn't answer every question it imposed, I kind of feel that they would have made it more obvious or questionable that Simon poisoned the fish if he was meant to be a suspect.



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Once I viewed it again, common sense points to Gordo doing it.

1. As I mentioned several times, Simon was genuinely surprised and angered by the fish dying. We know this is a genuine reaction since we saw him act like this when he was alone. He wasn't putting on an act.

2. The fish were fine when Robyn left for her jog, as was the dog. She comes back, the fish were dead and the dog was gone... and the alt ending shows that Gordo was the one who took the dog.

3. Simon was an egotistical narcissist who cared far more about his job than he did about the situation with Gordo. He would not risk being pulled out of a big meeting just to be "bothered" by his panicking wife on the other end of the phone. He wanted Gordo gone out of their lives completely, killing the fish would mean he intentionally wanted the topic of Gordo to be brought back up... which he clearly didn't.

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Are you purposely ignoring everyone's points? You have a right to your opinion, but damn, you keep ignoring every valid point that challenges your theory.

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I don't think you've been insulting at all and I think you have a good theory, but I just think it has nowhere to go but down... simply because you keep repeating it and not addressing the points that challenge it.

Why was Simon acting angry when he was alone when he found out the fish were dead? Who was he putting an act on for? His imaginary friend?

You really think the fish just flopped over dead at the precise time Gordo broke in to steal the dog? The poison Simon supposedly put in the water took effect right in that small amount of time where Robyn was going for a run and Gordo was taking the dog? In that case, this movie should be called "The Coincidence".

Look at who Simon was and how he acted. He didn't want Gordo in their lives, the last thing he wanted was for his past to be brought back up. When he told him off at the dinner party, he figured that was the end of Gordo. Why would he want to bring the topic of him back up? It's not like Robyn wanted to maintain a friendship with Gordo. She too didn't want him around, and Simon knew that. He was way too into himself and his job to play mind games with Robyn.

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You're ignoring the majority of questions and things I pointed out to you. I'll just copy and paste them again. Before I do though, the alternate ending shows that Gordo DID take the dog. Joel Edgerton said in his commentary that the alternate ending shows everything that actually happened but wasn't shown on screen, (from Gordo's point of view).

Why was Simon acting angry when he was alone when he found out the fish were dead? Who was he putting an act on for? His imaginary friend?

Again, the dog WAS taken by Gordo, so... You really think the fish just flopped over dead at the precise time Gordo broke in to steal the dog? The poison Simon supposedly put in the water took effect right in that small amount of time where Robyn was going for a run and Gordo was taking the dog? In that case, this movie should be called "The Coincidence".


That's just it - Simon was too much into himself. He was jealous that Robyn felt sorry Gordo for being bullied as she was also bullied when she was younger. Simon was so full of himself that he accused Gordo of wanting his wife.


Robyn didn't know the extent Gordo was bullied during the time the fish died. She was nice to Gordo and pitied him, but at the same time she didn't want him around anymore. Again, Simon knew this. He thought Gordo was out of their lives for good after the dinner party. Why would he risk time from his job to keep Robyn's mind on Gordo when she was already moving on? The worries of Robyn were the least of his concerns. There were several times throughout the film where Robyn told him she was scared and he basically told her he didn't care. He cared more about his status and his job title. He only brought up Gordo when Robyn forced a conversation about him. Simon did not want his past to be brought up, he wanted Gordo completely out of sight and out of mind.

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I'm still unsure about Gordo killing the fish, but I'm not surprised he would steal, or borrow the dog because he liked the dog. As for Robyn I disagree about her not wanting Gordo around. She did want him around and tried to tell this to Simon many times. There was the other guy who Simon had screwed who also had it in for Simon. He might've killed the fish. That said, I'm leaning more towards Gordo for killing the fish too.

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Gordo could have killed the fish out of retaliation I think but with anyone going near that house and the fish being where it is who knows and I'm not sure if Robyn or simon did a good job taking care of the fish if they did not want it

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I guess instead of saying Robyn wanted him out of their lives, I'd say she was content with Simon cutting ties with Gordo. I think she was on the fence with him and she was still at a point where she went along with everything Simon said and did. Also, going back to Simon's egotistical side, after he "broke up" with Gordo at the dinner party, he said something like "ok, it's all done. We ripped the band-aid off" to Robyn... and she didn't really show any objections to him saying that (during this incident at least). Simon treated Robyn like a child and he probably figured "Robyn doesn't want anything to do with Gordo anymore because I said so."

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I guess instead of saying Robyn wanted him out of their lives, I'd say she was content with Simon cutting ties with Gordo. I think she was on the fence with him and she was still at a point where she went along with everything Simon said and did. Also, going back to Simon's egotistical side, after he "broke up" with Gordo at the dinner party, he said something like "ok, it's all done. We ripped the band-aid off" to Robyn... and she didn't really show any objections to him saying that (during this incident at least). Simon treated Robyn like a child and he probably figured "Robyn doesn't want anything to do with Gordo anymore because I said so."


Agree with all that.
Robyn pretty much went along with Simon and his decisions.

He made the rules pretty much. True.
I still got the vibe from her that if she had her druthers, she would prefer to keep Gordo in their lives, but Simon made the rules as you accurately point out.

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Much apologies Rubymar. I had discussed the alt ending on this thread before so I assumed you had already read my previus posts. I'll be more careful next time. The alternate ending shows a lot more interesting stuff however, not just the dog being taken.

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I don't think it's unreasonable or impossible, of course, but I really think that since they made all of Simons faults obvious, they would have made it clearer if he was the fish killer.



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But that's not definitive.




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True, I do like that there are a lot of different theories and ideas.



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Haha, I'll have to come up with some more. Have a good night Ruben



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he explicitly refrained from harming anyone


gordon drugged robyn, and physically assaulted her (i don't think he raped her, but he had a good feel didn't he). he also mentally abused her by kidnapping her dog and killing those fish. he definitely did harm someone.

i hope simon takes those materials to the police; that way robyn will know the full truth have the sense to keep as far away as gordon as possible.


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gordon drugged robyn, and physically assaulted her (i don't think he raped her, but he had a good feel didn't he). he also mentally abused her by kidnapping her dog and killing those fish. he definitely did harm someone.


THIS.

I don't understand why some people are acting like Gordo is this innocent little angel just because he didn't rape Robyn. He still scared her, made her feel like she was losing her mind, stalked her, broke into her house when she was alone, filmed her, drugged her, and got touchy-feely with her unconscious body. So not raping her exempts him from all those other criminal acts? I don't think so.

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I don't belive he raped her either but there's a possibility he did only because I believe Simon was infertile and that's why they never had kids. It wasn't really brought up in the movie but it was kind of hinted when Gordo is talking to Simon and Robyn at the dinner table about their great life but when he comes to having a family they're silent. In the beginning of the movie I thought Robyn was infertile but towards the end I believe Simon was and I think Gordo knew that and used it to his advantage. I think when Robyn said she was pregnant Simon was surprised because they finally were going to have a baby not realizing he might not of been the one who hot her pregnant.

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I think my god sister's parents did not think they could have kids and first adopted there son but somehow had my god sister as there biological daughter.i'm just stuff like this does even if your on the Gordy did not rape Robyn side.

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It was heavily implied that Robyn had a miscarriage, which would mean that Simon is not totally infertile. He might not have particularly strong swimmers, but I'm guessing the child is his unless Gordo's one and only time with Robyn led to a pregnancy, which is possible but highly unlikely.

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Definitely had a miscarriage. Not sure what else it could have been. That led her to abuse pills.

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I instantly believed she wasn't raped. He just wanted Simon to be unsure. The whole theme of the movie is how lies can go too far and that is what Gordo is trying to show him.

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I don't believe Gordon raped her. I think he just put the thought in Simon's head just like Simon put the thought in everyone's head that Gordon was gay. Gordon told Simon he would be able to tell by the baby's eyes but the baby had his mom's eyes so..

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I think he just put the thought in Simon's head just like Simon put the thought in everyone's head that Gordon was gay.


Gordo stated, "You see what happens when you poison other people's mind with ideas?" So I believe it was the ideas themselves which Gordo painstakingly planted in the mind of Simon which would lead to Simon's eventual downfall--not so much the poisoning or causing harm in a physical sense such as when Gordo poisoned the fish which he gave to Simon.

Anyhow, excellent comments by all on this thread! One of the best threads I've read in a while.



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Interesting perspective, but ultimately you're filling a lot of blanks with assumptions, and arriving at conclusions that essentially miss the point of the ending. The simple answer to the ending is we don't know, just like Simon doesn't know. That really is the long and the short of it.

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My suspicion is that Gordo was sexually dysfunctional and so he couldn't rape her even if he wanted to. But he could create the props necessary to make Simon lose it, so good enough.

I think it would have been really funny, super funny, if after the final end credit rolled, they show a little more of monkey man... and he tells the camera that he didn't rape Robyn, he couldn't, because he prefers men... and the camera pans over to a drugged, sleeping Simon (in very colorful, distinctive boxers/briefs), then back over to monkey man, who nods and starts assaulting sleeping Simon. This could even go along with some little hints left earlier in the film, like have Simon began one morning scene with 'why is my ass sore?' wearing those same boxers. Maybe he could spend half the movie trying to figure out why there's blood in his poop.

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I agree with this. Gordo did not rape Robyn. I believe he could but harming Robyn was not his purpose, but rather playing mind games with Simon as he had done with him.

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Of course she was raped. That's the whole point of the movie. That's what the title refers to. From the very beginning, Gordo talks about how good things can come from bad things. The baby is the good thing to come from the bad thing-the rape. The baby is the gift. As for DNA, all that would show is they had sex. He was careful to wear a mask in the video and did not record the attack. She was friendly to him and fond of him and expressed those feelings in front of others. He came over frequently. And, she had a history of pill popping and passing out. Would be his word against hers as to whether it was consensual. The reason Simon doesn't call the cops is because it would completely devastate his wife to know her new baby, which she loves and has wanted for for so long, was not her husband's and the product of rape. Second, it would obliterate any chance he had of staying with her. He may still have a chance at getting her back as things were left, but if she knew what really happened and that Simon's actions led to her being assaulted, he'd never hear from her again, obviously. And, for Gordo, just teasing Simon about a rape wouldn't be much of a lesson, would it? No, Gordo wanted revenge and just mind effing him would not be nearly enough to satisfy him after Simon's actions had so completely destroyed his life. Simon wouldn't be sobbing at the nursery if he believed the child was his. He was sobbing because he knew that it wasn't.

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I'm not sure if this makes sense but I saw someone make a comment making it seem like if gordo wanted to rape Robyn to get back at simon he could have done that whenever he was in the house and maybe he could have pretended that the weirdo comment that simon wrote down did not effect him and he somehow knocked her out there and raped her out of retaliation.but gordo seemed to want more proof about simon I think before doing anything.

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Having watched again the two things are not mutually exclusive.

1.Was Robyn Raped
2.Is the baby Gordo's

One thing I noted is that the chronology is a little off. The Day Robyn Faints is the Day Simon has the Job interview, 9 months later they are celebrating the promotion. A promotion would not take 9 months to be confirmed surely? So unless the film just has a bad time handling its chronology then that just doesn't make sense.

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good observation

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I think it is sad that there are people that still think she was raped when that takes to suspension of disbelief with Robyn not feeling anything happened and there is also the timing when we find out she was pregnate with months having pasted I think and I feel body language is telling me Robyn was not raped

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WOW, AMAZING POINTS!

If I were Robin, I would be upset at being raped, of course; however, I would be RELIEVED to know that my child did not have the same DNA as Simon!

Simon mentions that HIS father was a horrible bully to him, and Simon is also a bully. Father and grandfather are sociopaths, and this may be a genetic trait that is passed on, sometimes. At least Gordo is a real human being--messed up now DUE TO SIMON. Her child would be better off in a loving home (which means minus SIMON, whom she's leaving)and carrying Gordo's DNA, NOT Simon's!


Also, if Robin didn't want Simon around her child, legally, Simon would have no claim if it came down to it, correct? This is another huge plus. He could be cruel to the boy--in fact, he would almost certainly be abusive, especially if he thought it could hurt Robin.

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