The irony here is..


A fictional hitler is brought to the 21st century with the film's messaging trying to convey that his backwards way of thinking (& all of the horrible things we know about him) could still capture an audience of followers today, in this case, using hitler to primarily condemn Islamic migrants.

The irony being that the Islamacists are not fictional & they themselves are preachers backward thinking ideologies. If anyone is a modern day conveyor of hitler's ideologies it is the followers of Mohammad.

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um, the undertone of the movie was anti-inmigration, and to give germany to the germans.
which, based on current events, i totally support, and i dont even live in europe.

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The undertone was the exact opposite. They showed people supporting far-right xenophobia rhetoric to show how scarily similar the current far-right sometimes is to the 1930's far-right...

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Disagree with Tokarski, I really think you missed a great slap in the face to the audience. The irony is that someone who speaks on these topics with total honesty is viewed as a Hitler reincarnate in the publics eye.

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He isn't talking "honestly."

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So you're implying the enormous influx of muslim refugees isn't an "honest" problem?

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No. Not at all.

As I posted below to the original poster: "You missed that the film is trying to show that, according to the film makers, Hitler's racist and xenophobic stances are being mirrored by the current far-right parties in Europe towards immigrants and the current immigrant crisis/anti-Muslim rhetoric."

The film isn't anti-immigrant; the film is bashing those who are by having a genocidal maniac and one of the biggest real-life villains in modern history be their mouthpiece.

As you said: ". . .someone who speaks on these topics with total honesty is viewed as a Hitler reincarnate in the publics eye." It isn't total honesty to be anti-immigrant; quite literally the film is reminding people that this is the kind of position that Hitler would have had if he was alive.

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Stopped reading at "No. Not at all". Never realized mass-rapes, mass-shootings, bombings, stabbings and truck-ploughings weren't a problem. Look up Sharia Law little guy. It might educate you a bit. Hopefully it'll catapult you out of your echo chamber someday.

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Maybe you should read the comments a bit more clearly. You asked:

"So you're implying the enormous influx of muslim refugees isn't an "honest" problem?"

And I answered, "No. Not at all." As in I'm not implying that it isn't a problem at all.

I'm more than well aware of what is going on in the world; however, you're bandying about the term "Sharia Law" and attempted putdown of "little guy" really does say volumes.

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You're obviously a little guy if you support a religion that drapes their women in black cloaks in the sweltering sun, throws homosexuals from rooftops, amputates the right hand of thieves, beheads non-believers and still carries out honour killings. All in the name of Allah.

If you're upset that I called you "little guy", you may want to grow a thicker skin, especially if you live in Europe in this day and age.

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You've moved up to ad hominem attacks and racism and still seem to not be understand what I wrote which has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

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False. You're the one who picked up on a label in order to twist this to an ad hominem conversation. I made plenty of rational points which you obviously can't counteract, so you're settling for the ad hominem route. Don't be upset.

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False. You're the one who picked up on a label in order to twist this to an ad hominem conversation. I made plenty of rational points which you obviously can't counteract, so you're settling for the ad hominem route. Don't be upset.


You literally are not making any sense. You haven't made rational points which I can't counteract; I have counteracted them (apart from not doing so in your previous comment since you seemed to be trying to drag the conversation away from what it had been."

I haven't delivered any ad hominem attacks; that's been you. I'm not upset. You read one portion of me answering a question you proposed the wrong way, said you refused to read the rest of that comment, and then went on attacking me.

I feel very, very sorry for you.

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You clearly haven't responded to any of the points I make. It's quite clear you have a poor understanding of the film, if you're taking it at face value that it's about "people who follow a maniac".

Your complete lack of perception is obvious. This is further reinforced by you seeming to think I accused you of making ad hominem comments. I simply can't interact with someone who gets so offended over being called "little guy". You really need to hone your craft of social interaction.

2/10.

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I agree one of us has problems; I disagree that I'm the one who has them.

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Yeah not surprised in the slightest that you say that. You seem incredibly stubborn. Pride gets in the way of truth.

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What truth?

You misread my comment, badger me about it, use logical fallacies, and because I disagree with what I'd consider your misinterpreting a film.

To paraphrase the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

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My most humble apologies, I forgot the muslim refugee crisis isn't a fact. Must have been just a dream!

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Again, trying to put words into my mouth and showing that you still have misread my response to you despite the fact that I clarified it previously...

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Really? Wow, that's funny, because when I asked you if it's an honest problem, you responded with "No. Not at all", and then proceeded to tell me how xenophobic I was.

When I later pointed this out to you, you quickly backtracked and said "As in I'm not implying that it isn't a problem at all." Now, I don't know if you're actually being sincere but have terrible comprehension abilities, or if you're merely backtracking in order to save face. But what I do know is this, that you're in no position to tell me that I'VE misread something, when it takes you two whole comments to respond to a simple question without confusing yourself.

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I don't really see anything that's funny about it.

You asked if I was implying something I and answered that I wasn't. After misreading it you went off on minor attacks and tangents.

Sorry, it is your reading comprehension. Clearly you could have at any point in time said "Oh, I'm sorry, I may have misunderstood what you meant" without resorting to name calling and near gaslighting including the times when I pointed out that you had misinterpreted what I said.

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Pathetic. You're still in denial over you completely screwing up a question a toddler could answer.

So is this what this conversation has stooped to now, because I can go back and forth all night on this if that's your wish. Or do you have anything else of value to say?

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Again, you're the one who is resorting to name calling.

What has this conversation "stooped to now"? I said you seem to have misread what I said. I have clarified myself twice and despite that (and the fact that you then claimed to ignore the other points that I made in that comment by saying that you stopped reading it) you seem to do nothing more than give attacks and refuse to listen to anyone. I really feel sorry for you.

I guess I could have responded to your question :"So you're implying the enormous influx of muslim refugees isn't an "honest" problem?" with something more like "No, I'm not implying that at all." since you asked if that was what I was implying.

I would have thought that even if you did misread that comment, you would have realized the error when it was pointed out to you not once but twice.

Honestly, you are the only one name calling here and refusing to listen to what others are saying.

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You keep bringing up this name calling. When was the last time I called you a name? But yet you're the one accusing me of using ad hominem comments, despite you using it as an argument.

I'm clearly trying to bring the conversation back on topic, but if you want to keep dwelling on "name calling", that's fine by me.

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You keep bringing up this name calling. When was the last time I called you a name?

Directly a name? A admittedly a while, but you've been insinuating it for the past few comments:

- Pathetic. You're still in denial over you completely screwing up a question a toddler could answer. [previous comment]


- Now, I don't know if you're actually being sincere but have terrible comprehension abilities [2 previous comments back]

- But what I do know is this, that you're in no position to tell me that I'VE misread something, when it takes you two whole comments to respond to a simple question without confusing yourself. [2 previous comments back]

- You really need to hone your craft of social interaction. [4 previous comments back]

Then of course there is your first and then continued usage of "little guy" - "Look up Sharia Law little guy. It might educate you a bit. Hopefully it'll catapult you out of your echo chamber someday."

On the other hand, I haven't been attacking you. At most I've pointed out that you misread something that I wrote or misinterpreted what I said. You've been trying to put words in my mouth and have flat out refused to acknowledge it. I've really been nothing but civil even in the face of what could possibly be considered gaslighting by you (your claims that I'm the person tossing around ad hominine comments) and an onslaught of other negative attacks.

At worst, I've said I feel sorry for you and pointed out that you misread/misinterpreted something I wrote. Considering the litany of quotes from you I just posted above, there is a clear and utter difference in the tone and consitancy of the conversation between the two of us.

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This is truly poetic.

Me: "When's the last time I called you a name"

You:
1:"Pathetic" - That's not name calling
2:"You're still in denial over you completely screwing up a question a toddler could answer" - Never called you a toddler here.
3:" Now, I don't know if you're actually being sincere but have terrible comprehension abilities" - Stating someones comprehension abilities is again, not name calling.
4: Again, not one name calling incident present.
5:"You really need to hone your craft of social interaction." - *sigh* Again, not name calling.
6: "Little guy" - DING DING DING. The first name I called you.

Once again, you've proved to me just how much your comprehension skills are suffering. The only name I called you was "little guy". And what was that? My third reply? This truly is a spectacle to behold. Come on, keep trying.

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Again, you selectively read what I wrote in order to continue your attacks.

One has to conclude that you must have a desire to simply attack people and sew discord. Again, I feel sorry for you.

Come on, keep trying.


I don't have to; you are doing it all yourself.

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Bhahaha selectively read what you wrote? I read the whole thing and literally quoted you. Don't be so upset.

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Bhahaha selectively read what you wrote? I read the whole thing and literally quoted you.

No you didn't. Your own words:

"Stopped reading at "No. Not at all"."

Were you lying then or are you lying now? My guess is both, as nothing you have said suggests that you stopped reading, but then nothing you said suggests you understood anything that was said at all. You started acting like garbage for no reason.

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The fascist today are the never trumpers and the pc crowd, obviously. They are anarchist.


No you didn't you asked if the other was saying that it ISN'T a problem, and the other poster replied by saying that no, he was saying that it is not a problem. He then clarified that is what he meant when you misunderstood, and you STILL didn't get it.

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You obviously don't know the meaning of ad hominem. lol

Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something.

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Yet the movie shows plenty of people from non german heritage proudly giving the nazi salute.

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This comment is scarier than the movie itself

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You missed that the film is trying to show that, according to the film makers, Hitler's racist and xenophobic stances are being mirrored by the current far-right parties in Europe towards immigrants and the current immigrant crisis/anti-Muslim rhetoric.

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I picked up on that too. Its kind of like the rights stance in anti-muslim. Also, the lefts view to a certain extent of the right. At least in america. People dont realize how much hitler had in common with the bernie crowd. Pc, never trumpers are the secret police, hitlers fear of jews... Aka the big banks. Or who the leftwing had almost completely engulfed main stream media, and they all pick a different political opponent of the right.

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Very true e.g. Bernie's Brownshirts actively assaulting those with different political views and trying to shut down the expression of free speech. All I can say is, history repeats itself, and if this current PC/apologist culture continues to progress, it will lead to a global civil war.
There's even an article in the hugely Liberal Salon magazine sympathizing with pedophiles, telling us we shouldn't judge them. Despite the interviewee admitting of masturbating to a 5 year old girl he was babysitting. The tide always turns.

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Wow, you clearly know nothing of Hitler's ideology or of modern Muslim ideology, because they are very different

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That is true. The circumstances that allowed Hitler to rise to power in Europe in the late 20's and early 30's are starting to repeat themselves today. I wounder if Europe's leaders are aware of this?

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