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Just finished watching the last episode


Ok so as many of you I started watching this show right in the beginning when it started but for some reason I was putting off watching the last season not sure why, maybe i was not ready for the complexity of it, So i binged watched the entire season 4 in pretty much 4 days.

So lets start by saying I have tears in my eyes and im wiping them off, such an emotional roller coaster throughout. I absolutely love this show, not many shows stay consistently good throughout and yes it was only 4 seasons but still. I do however have some gripes with the show.

Spoilers ahead.

1. The way Tyrell was written off was just plain lazy. He deserved a better ending and I understand it was hard to write him into the plot of season 4 the way things were unfolding but still he deserved something better. It would have been better to just kill him off in season 3.

2. What happened to Darlene's 6ft black transsexual alter ego? Surely the plan was to have her in season 4, watch the last episode of season 3, she is clearly Darlene's "Mr Robot".

3. Hacking. Something the show got a lot of praise for was how accurately it showed hacking. This season there were way too much shenanigans, like Elliot hacking whiterose's machine....it just felt way too over the top.

4. My biggest gripe. VERA. I understand he was used as a vehicle to reveal Elliots abuse by his father but it was just bad writing. His motivations made no sense for coming back, yes you can justify anything with writing but it just did not work for me, even though the actor did an amazing job and the episode was spectacular, i just didn't buy. It felt constructed.

5. Was this the ending Esmail actually intended from the start? Vera made an appearance at the end of season 3 and made us believe he would have a big part of season 4, did not happen. Darlene's alter ego gone completely. And the way season 3 ended it made it seem all Elliot had to to was unhack E-corp, that did not happen instead we got WhiteRose dream machine. Was Esmail forced to wrap things up in season 4? I know ratings were way down season by season, not sure why this show is amazing.

I know im late to the party but these are some of my thoughts.

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"3. Hacking. Something the show got a lot of praise for was how accurately it showed hacking. This season there were way too much shenanigans, like Elliot hacking whiterose's machine....it just felt way too over the top."

The hacking was never accurate. Just because it showed them using a Linux CLI instead of a fictional Hollywood GUI doesn't make it accurate. The biggest problem was that, in real life, an unknown password is nearly always an impassable roadblock for a hacking attempt, but on this show it was barely a speed bump. Password crackers are only useful on local password-protected files (such as a password-protected .ZIP or .RAR file), and even then you have to get lucky enough for the password to be simple, e.g., words found in a dictionary. If it's something that has a combination of uppercase, lowercase, and non-letter/number characters, it will take the rest of your life and then some for a brute force cracker to find the password, unless you get extremely lucky, as in, winning the Powerball lottery kind of lucky.

You can't use a password cracker to gain access to a password-protected account, because it will lock you out after a few failed attempts. It order to access password-protected accounts on anything even remotely resembling a consistent basis, you need to know the password, which is done via "phishing" or other forms of theft / spying / "social engineering". On this show they tended to skip that part most of the time. This applies to gaining access over the internet. If you're sitting at the local machine you can gain access to anything on it by using your own boot disc/drive.

"2. What happened to Darlene's 6ft black transsexual alter ego? Surely the plan was to have her in season 4, watch the last episode of season 3, she is clearly Darlene's "Mr Robot"."

What are you talking about? There's nothing "clear" about that at all. That's your own fan theory which isn't supported by anything that happened onscreen.

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I know this is an older comment, but I finally finished season 4 and needed to comment that you are completely wrong about the hacking part. It was completely accurate. The version of Linux wasn’t just any old Linux, it’s specifically built with hundreds of hacking apps (it’s specifically known as the “Hacker’s Linux”.) And the hardware he used (i.e., the “special” usb thumb drive) is a very specific hacker tool that can be loaded with different payloads to do things like grab all the files from someone’s system, or to crack a password (not by brute force, but by going into the encrypted file system using a dictionary attack.) These tools are sold by a specific company that also sells things like that “special” wireless router (remember the “honeypot” they installed that forced people to connect to them instead of the public WiFi, that’s an actual thing.) I’m not mentioning the names of these tools or the company to keep from everyone rushing out and getting them, but they were briefly mentioned in an episode of Mr. Robot, as well as other shows like the “Blacklist”.

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"you are completely wrong about the hacking part."

No, I'm not.

"It was completely accurate."

No, it wasn't; not even close.

"The version of Linux wasn’t just any old Linux, it’s specifically built with hundreds of hacking apps (it’s specifically known as the “Hacker’s Linux”.) And the hardware he used (i.e., the “special” usb thumb drive) is a very specific hacker tool that can be loaded with different payloads to do things like grab all the files from someone’s system"

That doesn't help solve the problem at all.

"or to crack a password (not by brute force, but by going into the encrypted file system using a dictionary attack.)"

Once again:

"Password crackers are only useful on local password-protected files (such as a password-protected .ZIP or .RAR file), and even then you have to get lucky enough for the password to be simple, e.g., words found in a dictionary. If it's something that has a combination of uppercase, lowercase, and non-letter/number characters, it will take the rest of your life and then some for a brute force cracker to find the password, unless you get extremely lucky, as in, winning the Powerball lottery kind of lucky."

Does the "bolding" help? Do you think that, e.g., 3Ak!pNb".9^A??Z}, will be found in any dictionary?

"These tools are sold by a specific company that also sells things like that “special” wireless router (remember the “honeypot” they installed that forced people to connect to them instead of the public WiFi, that’s an actual thing.)"

That doesn't have anything to do with anything I said. My entire post was about the ease in which they bypassed passwords, which is utterly implausible, for reasons I've already pointed out. In the real world, most passwords are an impassible roadblock, no matter who you are. If passwords were easily bypassed, any "hacker" could have access to unlimited funds, simply by logging into anyone's bank, PayPal, etc., account whenever they wanted to.

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Seriously though, you are a complete idiot who has no clue what they're talking about. Let me try to explain this one thing one time for you simpleton... Password Crackers (especially the one I am talking about which was used on the show) does NOT use a standard "Dictionary", it uses what is called a "Password Dictionary Attack" which is a specific list of both commonly used Passwords, and not so commonly used passwords along with variations thereof.... millions of them. And the Password cracker goes through them all in minutes and if it doesn't find a perfect match, then it goes back through and does variations of the listed password in the custom-made Password Dictionary.

If someone is smart enough to have a really good complicated password like D9gjs&p3! then yeah, it may be impossible for the tool to crack that, but who has a password like that? Who can remember a password like that? (and you are not supposed to write your password down, so most people choose one they can remember.) The last time I used a tool like that against a so-called "I.T. Expert" his password was the typical "IamGod123" which was in my Password Dictionary along with hundreds of variations of that (again, PASSWORD Dictionary, not Standard Dictionary you moron!)

And yes dumbshit, this is exactly why companies like Paypal, and Bank of America, and Capital One, and Sony, Yahoo, AdultFriendFinder, Myspace and so many more have ALL been hacked! Have you been living under a rock the past decade?

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"Seriously though, you are a complete idiot who has no clue what they're talking about. Let me try to explain this one thing one time for you simpleton"

Comical Irony Alert, you know, coming from the established idiot with an unfortunate reading deficiency.

"Password Crackers (especially the one I am talking about which was used on the show) does NOT use a standard "Dictionary", it uses what is called a "Password Dictionary Attack" which is a specific list of both commonly used Passwords, and not so commonly used passwords along with variations thereof.... millions of them. And the Password cracker goes through them all in minutes and if it doesn't find a perfect match, then it goes back through and does variations of the listed password in the custom-made Password Dictionary."

It doesn't matter what kind of dictionary it is, clodpate. Once again:

Password crackers are only useful on local password-protected files (such as a password-protected .ZIP or .RAR file), and even then you have to get lucky enough for the password to be simple, e.g., words found in a dictionary. If it's something that has a combination of uppercase, lowercase, and non-letter/number characters, it will take the rest of your life and then some for a brute force cracker to find the password, unless you get extremely lucky, as in, winning the Powerball lottery kind of lucky."

Does the "bolding" help? Do you think that, e.g., 3Ak!pNb".9^A??Z}, will be found in any dictionary?

And LOL at "millions". The number of possible passwords for just an 8-digit one is in the neighborhood of quadrillions.

"If someone is smart enough to have a really good complicated password like D9gjs&p3! then yeah, it may be impossible for the tool to crack that, but who has a password like that? Who can remember a password like that? (and you are not supposed to write your password down, so most people choose one they can remember.) The last time I used a tool like that against a so-called "I.T. Expert" his password was the typical "IamGod123" which was in my Password Dictionary along with hundreds of variations of that (again, PASSWORD Dictionary, not Standard Dictionary you moron!)"

It doesn't matter that you're not "supposed" to write a password down; you certainly can write a password down and do so in a way that no one is going to find it. Furthermore, as I've already said and you were too stupid to grasp, password crackers are only useful on local password-protected files (such as a password-protected .ZIP or .RAR file). You can't use a password cracker to gain access to a password-protected account, because it will lock you out after a few failed attempts. That's important because the password bypassing that went on in this show was nearly always, if not always, to access accounts.

And I didn't say anything about "standard dictionary", numbnuts. I said ANY dictionary.

"And yes dumbshit"

Comical Irony Alert: Part III

"this is exactly why companies like Paypal, and Bank of America, and Capital One, and Sony, Yahoo, AdultFriendFinder, Myspace and so many more have ALL been hacked!"

Thank you, Captain Obvious, but that doesn't have anything to do with what I said. Once again:

If passwords were easily bypassed, any "hacker" could have access to unlimited funds, simply by logging into anyone's bank, PayPal, etc., account whenever they wanted to.

Since you're stupid, I'll point out the obvious: that means it would be happening millions of times a day, every day. In reality, it rarely happens because you're not getting into someone's e.g., bank or PayPal account unless you know or can guess (within a few tries before being locked out) their password.

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Jeezus, you really are just about the stupidest person I've ever seen online, or more likely, just trolling... Hacking happens more often than you realize. There are also good hackers (not white hats, I mean, people good at hacking) and bad hackers (people not too bright, you know, like you!) You make it sound like "there are millions of hackers and if it's that easy then all of them should be able to hack every single person's bank account in the entire world every day, otherwise, it's not possible at all", but I am telling you it IS fucking possible, never said it was easy (but it is for those who know how) and most importantly, the whole point I was actually making is, the accuracy of the show; because just about everything that Elliot did in the show (not every single thing you pedantic asswipe, but most of the things) can be done, because they HAVE been done by MANY (not millions you stupid fuck) of hackers, including me. So you can fuck right off, I don't care what you think is possible or not...

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"Jeezus, you really are just about the stupidest person I've ever seen online, or more likely, just trolling..."

Comical Irony Alert: Part IV

"Hacking happens more often than you realize."

Your non sequitur is dismissed, simpleton.

"There are also good hackers (not white hats, I mean, people good at hacking) and bad hackers"

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

"(people not too bright, you know, like you!)"

Comical Irony Alert: Part V

"You make it sound like "there are millions of hackers and if it's that easy then all of them should be able to hack every single person's bank account in the entire world every day, otherwise, it's not possible at all", but I am telling you it IS fucking possible"

Reading Deficiency Alert: Part III

In other words, I never said it was impossible, numbnuts. The specific type of "hacking" on this show which is a point of contention is routinely accessing password-protected accounts on remote servers without fail, which is utterly absurd due to the degree of implausibility being through the roof.

"not millions you stupid fuck"

Comical Irony Alert: Part VI

"of hackers, including me."

LOL. Okay, Zero Cool, go ahead and explain how you would log into someone's e.g., PayPal account without knowing their password. You only have a few tries before you get locked out for a couple of hours. There is no software tool that can help you, because it will only have a few tries too, obviously. That's why successful "hacking" isn't done by simply bypassing passwords on remote accounts at-will, because you can only do that if you're lucky enough that they used a very common/stupid password like "password" that you can guess within a few tries. Successful hacking of that type involves things such as "social engineering" and other methods which allow you to find out the correct password beforehand, which of course takes time, and there's obviously no guarantee that your efforts to find out the correct password will be successful.

"Hacking" on this show and most other shows/movies is portrayed as someone that a "good hacker" can always successfully do. In really, when it comes to accessing a remote password-protected account, there are various things that anyone can try, all of which have a low probability of success (such as guessing the password or using various forms of "social engineering" [which includes "phishing" attempts] to get the account owner to tell/give you the password without them realizing they are giving their password to a "hacker"). And the idea of using "password cracker" software on a remote password is laughable, because it will only get a few tries before the server locks it out. Password crackers are only useful on password-protected files that you already have access to, as I've already said.

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It's like locked doors getting smashed in with a simple kick when it helps advancing the plot. You wonder why they lock doors in the first place. The same with passwords. It's just fiction which relies on suspension of disbelief.

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