It was pretty much destroyed when he fought Thanos. At the end, he goes back in time. he then has a full shield. Where did he get it? If he went back in time the shield would be under the ice, right?
Also, they make a point to show he took Mjolnir with him, yet he doesn't have it when he's hanging out as an old man.
He likely returned the Mjolnir with him back to 2013 and after returning the stones he traveled back to 1948 (one year after Agent Carter ended) and settled down with Peggy so there are many ways he has the shield, he might have took the one from 2012, that's where I'd go with it.
shareMore likely he went back to 1945, the year he was frozen.
shareCool theory time
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1121550/Avengers-Endgame-Captain-America-shield-plot-hole-time-travel-Falcon-Bucky-Peggy-Carter
Good lord.
Look, in my opinion, it was clear they have no idea. They throw out theories to hide poor writing decisions. In Ultron, they had the dream with Cap's shield broken, then realized they had to tie that into the Endgame ending. Totally awesome. Then they realized they wanted the Cap brand to stick around and had to have the shield back. So they just... did it. How? I dunno... time travel. Why not?
So that’s a thumbs up on the theory then. Why, thumbs up from me too! :D
shareIt's as plausible as anything else, so you get TWO thumbs up, buddy. Let's get out of here and go bowling.
shareIt's fairly straightforward. We're explicitly told that when someone goes back in time and does anything that changes anything a new timeline branches off at that point. So we know that Captain America returned to 1945 and created a new branch in the timeline. At some point, after he'd aged significantly, he returned to his original timeline. We can theorize if we like about where he found the shield, but the obvious answer is he retrieved it from the ice in the new timeline. There are other explanations-- he made a new one, he visited a third timeline and took one-- but let's stick with the obvious one. There was a shield waiting for him in 1945, so he went back and took it, used it for 70ish years, then brought it to Sam.
As for Mjolnir, he brought it with him specifically to return it to Asgard at the time it was removed, along with the Reality Stone.
So he took the shield from that version's Cap then. So now that version's Cap has no shield because Steve stole it to give to Sam in a different timeline? Kind of a dick move.
shareIs it? We're speculating at this point, but it seems quite possible that he simply made a new shield. He had 70 years to befriend the Wakandans, so a a new shield isn't a stretch. It's clear he either fished the old one out or made a new one for himself, or a new one for the other Cap.
shareBigger dick move would be to steal Peggy from that version's Cap.
Which he did, if we accept the Russos' explanation (alternate timeline).
Which is why I hew towards M&M's explanation (same timeline, very low profile).
Either way, he's had decades to arrange a new shield through SHIELD and/or Wakanda.
This essentially confirms that Cap branched reality when he went to be with Peggy, and that he's returned to the "main" timeline (somehow) to pass on the shield to Sam.
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It's therefore logical that he's brought the shield from that timeline which, since it was branched off from the original reality, likely never had the exact same sequence of events resulting in its destruction.
New shield. It's not the same one he used in the final battle. My guess is he had Howard Stark from the 40s make it to give to Sam. However, my biggest question is how did Cap get old? Erskine told him his cells would constantly regenerate themselves. That's why he couldn't get drunk as he told Peggy in the bombed out pub in London. So how did Cap get old if his cells continue regenerating? Can't get old in my book which makes that lakeside scene a little moot. I think it was just thrown in there because they knew Chris Evans was done.
shareIt would have been interesting if they didn't show him old. That someone mailed a package at that time and place (like in Back to the Future 2) and delivered the shield. Then they could have left it ambiguous as to his fate. It still could have ended with Cap dancing with her at the end.
shareExactly. But only a sense of wish fulfillment. Cap got his dance in "Age of Ultron" with Wanda's illusion. Cap seemed pretty content to stay at the Avengers facility with his friends. He said as much to Tony. Then suddenly he's pining for Peggy and wanting her again? Didn't make any sense.
shareI guess it’s because he saw a chance to be back with her and live his life in peace. I think he also felt The need to do that once he saw her in their trip to the 70s.
Maybe If it wasn’t for that trip Steve would have go back young to the current time.
It still doesn't answer the question about how Cap got old. He can't. Unless he took some sort of de-super-soldier stuff only then would it happen. But then he'd revert back to skinny Steve.
shareGood catch here.
I guess Let’s just go with that’s what the writers said and it’s their movie 😂
Nope. Marcus and McFeeley don't get a walk. They haven't answered that question sufficiently for my liking. And also why the hell we got no scene between he and The Red Skull. When I saw Infinity War and saw him on Vormir, I thought that it was going to happen in Endgame. Didn't happen. So major fail there.
shareAt this point it's pretty much a matter of opinion
I didn't feel a need to see the encounter on Vormir. The Red Skull on Vormir isn't the guy Cap fought in the 1940s (literally a different actor which bummed me out). He's been on Vormir in spectral form for who knows how long. It may not have just been 60 years. The stones may have cast him out through space AND time, stranding him on Vormis for millennia before Thanos.
(heck, I myself am not the same person I was when the MCU started with "Iron Man")
Either way, it's clear this guy isn't all "hail HYDRA" any longer. He's had lots of time to develop a kind of wisdom himself.
I just can't see him picking a fight with Cap, or Cap holding a grudge against him. When Thanos got snapped by Tony, Cap didn't gloat. He looked, if anything, sad for Thanos. I imagine it'd be the same with Red Skull.
"Hey. Schmidt, YOU'RE the floating red guy?"
"Yes, Steven, son of Sarah, this is what I got for all my Tesseract meddling."
"That sucks."
"Ja, the first decade was tough but I get used to it. You can just toss the soul stone over the cliff and be on your way."
"Thanks."
As for why Cap changed his mind about Peggy and peace between "Ultron" and "Endgame," he's had more than ten years to change his mind, during which LOT happened. Five years of group therapy alone might explain his change of heart. In particular, he saw what Tony gained and lost. He might even have discussed the matter with Bucky, who'd 100% support Cap living a peaceful life with Peggy. It's another judgment call, in other words.
Hey ... maybe Red Skull talked him into it. "See what a life of fighting has gotten me? Screw the stones and screw the wars ... just go live a normal life, Rogers. I sure as heck can't."
Meantime, I remain in the M&M-camp. If Steve lived out his life, he lived it out in the timeline we've been watching. Otherwise, he'd be stealing Peggy from the Steve Rogers of that alternate timeline, and that feels VERY much unlike him. MORE unlike him that staying out of history's way, especially since he knows, if he doesn't interfere, things will work out and the branches will remain "trimmed."
Yes I agree this red Skull is not the same as the one Steve Fought. He also changed during all this time protecting the Soul Stone or guiding the people who want to get there.
So yeah no need to Steve seeing him again.
And I also agreed on how Steve watching Tony having a family made him want to have his own and the time traveling gave him that chance.
Well they are acting like our parents would saying i sometimes to us because I said lol 😂.
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