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Do you personally include the Marvel TV shows in the MCU continuity?

posted 5 years ago by EvilPinata (1186)
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Despite the few references in the Netflix shows and how much the MCU seemingly affected Agents of Shield early on (I've only really seen the first two seasons), I don't really consider the shows canon. Wikipedia says it's all connected, but the fact the shows never get referenced in the movies, I don't think they really are.

Not only do the movies completely disregard the shows, but the shows and the movies are both made by different production companies. The shows are produced by Marvel Television and the movies by Marvel Studios, which will go on to start producing shows for Disney+ that actually tie into the MCU.

Lastly, as far as Joss Whedon is concerned, Coulson is still dead in the MCU continuity.

[–] Truthtalker (1869) 5 years ago

Same here
daisy is as powerful as Scarlet.Witch, she would have been there fighting Ultron
Inhumans don't exist either, or Civil War would have been about them

[–] NorrinRad (5017) 5 years ago

Marvel TV and Netflix and the MCU are indeed connected regardless of the direction of character flow.

Sif appeared on Agents of Shield.
AoS cleaned up after Thor the Dark World.

Fury saved Fitz and Simmons
Hill, Sitwell both were shared between the movies and AoS.
Malik appeared from the Avengers over into AoS.
Hydra, Hydra, Hydra
Fury saved Coulson on AoS
Project Theta saved Sokovia from AoS

Yes it is all MCU canon.

[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

I think you don't understand how canon works. In order for something to be considered canon, it has to be acknowledged by the main continuity. If I write some fan fiction with characters from GRR Martin's books in my stories, does that make them canon? Of course not. AoS is no longer Canon. It has already been made official. The new series will diverge from the main continuity.

Only the TV shows in which Feige is involved will be Canon.

[–] ATG6 (3000) 5 years ago

Yeah, AoSh had some guest appearances (Sif, Maria Hill) from the movies, but movies set later on never referenced Coulson being alive again. You'd think they would at least tell Cap and Stark.

[–] NorrinRad (5017) 5 years ago

Yeah, AoS has a very complicated and convoluted relationship with the MCU movies. Apparently Loki sends down Lorelei bypassing the Bifrost and surveillance by Heimdall. Lady Sif meets the Son of Coul and then promises him not to inform Thor because Coulson wants to tell Thor himself. Lady Sif travels to Midgard to capture a Kree which signals that SHIELD has now run across multiple Kree and Skrulls on Earth, Asgard has contact with the Kree homeworld Hala (Sif takes Tyvak back to Hala) but Asgardians have never heard of Captain Marvel?

But no need to worry about these events. Why? Lady Sif is gone, most of the Asgardians who knew anything are probably all dead, (Gee, thanks Thanos and Hela) and the central person who probably holds the entire connection between AoS and the MCU is Nick Fury and who knows what he knows and who he hasn't told?!!

Oh yeah, A skrull has been impersonating Fury and there is a continuity of knowledge gap in play here also.

[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

Correct, only Marvel Studios TV series will be canon. Orginally it was "all connected", but this is obviously something that was pushed by people other than Feige, before the Perlemutter thing happened. The Netflix shows are done and dusted. AoS got ejected into space and the future. I have no idea whether Cloak and Dagger or Runaways will ever be made Canon.

[–] AP (5258) 5 years ago

I used to but it's now more or less official the TV shows are not canon. I expect to see a Daredevil movie in the future and it will not be played by Charlie Cox.

[–] FilmBuff (6684) 5 years ago

I think of Agents of SHIELD as directly connected, primarily because the actors/characters and plots interweave. Because of the television schedules they can't always directly reference one another, but it's clear they're related.

The Netflix shows feel like stories told about characters in that world, but in a storyline separate from the main continuity, almost like they happen in a parallel universe. If they ever do offer an "official" explanation, I would most like to hear that the Netflix shows took place in a version of earth in the multiverse that isn't the same one as the films/AoS.

[–] FFNogoodnik (770) 5 years ago

well since the "C" in MCU is for cinematic and TV shows are not normally shown in Cinemas I do not consider the the TV Shows as canon in the MCU

[–] DracTarashV2 (4475) 5 years ago

Nah. It isn’t necessarily something I’m concerned with anymore. Frankly, I don’t see the point in it. I rather accept that all these shows, including AOS, took place in a slightly different reality from the films (multiverse).

Agent Carter tho... hmm.

But in any event, I await for the arrival of the MCU shows on Disney+.

[–] EvilPinata (1186) 5 years ago

This is my thinking too. If it is "connected" it's definitely not as connected as it would initially seem.

I'm super excited about the Disney+ shows.

[–] EvilPinata (1186) 5 years ago

If it is all canon, then I'd venture to guess it takes place in an entirely different reality that splits off from the mainline MCU after The Avengers.