So the global population would only have taken us back to a 1970's size population which would only take a single generation to bring back up to speed.
Great plan Thanos.
Yeah, Thanos's plan didn't make much sense.
You wouldn't have a movie or tension if he acted differently but there are probably 100 things he could have done differently that would help solve the food/resources vs. population situation that didn't call for genocide.
Thanos was a little touched in the head. More people produce more goods and services. So wiping out half of them wipes out half the economy and puts things in chaos for months until people rebuild. There is no shortage of natural resources anyway.
shareYeah only for a few months, the movie even showed this - newly manufactured cars, communications etc doing fine.
shareEach planet is different. Even on Earth there is a disparity and unevenness in how survival resources are used across societies.
On a macro level maybe Thanos was correct and we don't know how planet by planet resources are utilized.
Think it through and see if you can figure out where your mistake is.
sharePlease enlighten.
shareGive it the old college try. You can do it.
shareFilmBluff more like it.
shareJust wanted to see if you could rethink it a bit.
Sure, if we cut the population in half that only takes us back 50 or 60 years, but it never seemed that Thanos' notion of success was based simply on halving the population. In the first place, the complete chaos that his act creates would likely set population growth back a millennia. The population definitely wouldn't return to its present levels in 50 years. However, one far more important thing you've overlooked is Thanos' hubris. He is so utterly convinced that he's correct, of his inevitability, that he believes that once he's hit the reset button for a planet, they'll realize "hey, Thanos was right all along!" and take the steps necessary to limit population growth from that point on. They'll see the whales swimming in the Hudson, so to speak.
The next aspect of Thanos that you've missed is that he's crazy and doesn't give a shit. He's not out to fix the universe. He's openly and knowingly doing too little, too late. He's become fixated on his idea for so long that he's no longer open to any logical analysis of it.
The most important thing of all, and you see this every day right here in the real world, is that Thanos believes Thanos is right. Pick the one you most dislike between Donald Trump and Barack Obama and ask yourself-- are they wrong? Of course they are! Then ask if they can see that they are wrong, and the answer will be of course they can't! Thanos, like every politician or political activist, is convinced with 100% certainty that only he sees things the way they are, and that his solutions are the real ones.
So sure, if two sane people who didn't witness the death of their planet while the powers-that-be ignored what they were certain was the way to save it are talking about the topic of wiping out half a planet's population to save it, and neither have given the topic much thought, those two people will probably dismiss the idea is impractical, but Thanos ain't none of those things. He crazy.
millennia is a bit much but I get you, he is indeed crazy.
shareThis is what bothered me. In a space faring civilisations resources are't an issue. You have abundant power on tap and asteroids to mine.
Even using his assumptions of wiping out 50%. It's really 10% that causes 90% of emissions and resource consumption on Earth. You'd have much less killing and a far larger impact.
Precisely, things are not evenly distributed globally. Parts of the world would still experience famine even if their population was reduced 50% (and this extends universally).
Perhaps Bluffs idea earlier is that the snap would in fact decimate populations based on current distribution of locally available resources... This should mean those civilizations that aren't overusing resources would be left alone.
It's worse than that - Thanos wiped out 50% of all living things. That includes plants and animals - what we eat!
Think about the people who farmed or were into logistics of moving food around - 50% are gone and the majority of the people don't know why. Animals left who see 50% of their herds go will run riot in panic but there will be less people to manage that in a long term way so either farm land is destroyed or the sentient survivors would panic and decide to store meat or get rid of the competetion for crops. Which depletes animal life more.
So even with 50% of sentient population gone famine is going to hit at first.
Space faring planets would be do the quick thing and head to other planets to take their resources to feed their people. But that means wars over resources such as food for a few years. Technologically poor planets would have their food taken by more technologically advanced planets for at least a few years until things settle down and they may never get out from under the other planets boot because why farm your world if you can get another to do it for you.
Thanos' balance isn't a balance it is whole scale war on life as more than 50% of life would be destroyed just simply because a lot of planets won't know why 50% disappeared and nature of living things makes us panic.
It's even worse than that. . .
On a macro level, it simply makes NO SENSE. If the problem is there aren't enough resources for a given population, Universal genocide (for numerous reasons, some of which have been pointed out) not only doesn't work, but: Why Not Just Double Resources, instead of halving the population?
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Bottom line: MCU's attempt to alter the comic version of Thanos (for whatever reason) simply Does Not Work.
Ah well.
Why Not Just Double Resources, instead of halving the population?
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And Thanos solution doesn't work either it makes things worse as it doesn't deal with the route of the problem of people not using resources responsibly.
Thanos was
A) taking out his anger about what happened on Titan on everyone else because really they seemed a space faring race. Why not leave when things got.so bad?
B) was lazy about not actually getting races to change their tact on how to manage their resources
Because really after a while and things settle down. (Granted it maybe a millennium or two). Populations would eventually go back to being a size Thanos thought was out of balance and he's not planning on coming back to rebalance things???
Don't get me wrong, I do not think Thanos's plan was the way to go but the idea of doubling the resources is even worse when you consider the circumstances. I have seen that suggested so many times like it is the smartest solution ever just gets to me because it is not well thought out considering the actuall things that happened in the films.
Thanos's plan would have done better IF he stayed around to explain why he did it. The way it turned out no one knew why it happened so no one would have learned any lessons.
If he did explain why then the survivors might have made changes to how they did things to prevent the same situation (of having too few resources) from happening again.
I agree doubling resources would have not done much either but it would have been a step up from what he did do.
But having him bail without telling every planet why - that is lazy writing considering he had the infinity stones and could have put that info into every brain in the cosmos along with the snap.
Now I get why they changed the motive of the snap bit Thanos reasoning as trying to introduce Lady Death would be confusing as hell. But we also have to talk about the Avengers bringing everyone back but leaving the five years - well you think about it the cosmos was screwed by Thanos, doubling everything in a split second without warning everyone it was coming back well that is going to be an even bigger mess, people with no idea of what is going on are coming back to a different reality and to people who have had to move on to survive. Planets, countries as I said have probably been invaded for food - you think people are just going to give things up because people came back?
Even on a macro level its going to cause chaos - say you got a farm because the previous owner just disappeared in the snap, you going to give it up once they come back - you've done nothing wrong why should your family suffer?
Imagine you lost you spouse and kids after a couple of years and hard times you grieved and moved on to find a new partner and family and started a life with them - you give that up because your old family is standing outside your old home.
The kid who finds themself orphaned by Thanos, gets adopted by another family who lost their kids - do they simply get handed back after five years because old families just return?
It is a world with wizards, talking raccoons, etc. Somehow no one else but Tony Stark has the Iron Man tech a decade after the world first found out about it. If you overthink this stuff you are going to end up with a headache.
shareSure and Game of Thrones is one of Dragons and ice zombies but look how crazy people went over that.
As for over thinking the snap -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4XgpB7WbYY
LOL. . .way to miss the point.
I'll make it simple for you:
*Option A: Kill half the population; resources are sufficient. . .UNTIL the population increases again (as has been pointed out, in a laughably short amount of time).
*Option B: Don't kill anyone. . .just increase resources. If it helps; use the magic McGuffin to establish a source/pool of resources that will sustainably support the population.
Which makes more sense? More to the point, which is simpler, and wouldn't get every sane sentient arrayed against you, and your head chopped off?
Not sure what your allowance blather is about. . .resources =/= some mythical "allowance" that a cosmic parent allots. The analogy fails miserably. If you can't see it, can't help you.
Note that what we're really talking about is the crux/engine of this movie, and how it doesn't work, from a logical/motivation/well what then standpoint. Again, if you don't get it, fine. . .but you do yourself no favors by tilting your head back and braying nonsense, to advertise the fact.
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Yeah he could have just snapped the sense to 'manage resources wisely' into the minds of every sentient being instead of dusting them. Would have been a loads better outcome and he would have been a hero.
shareYeah agree with that.
At least they had Thanos as the 'mad' Titan, so the idea he wasn't thinking to far outside his snap and had Captain Marvel say that the cosmos was not handling the snap too well when they kept asking when she was coming back.
But to have the avengers do their snap and have everything come back after 5 years of pain so Stark could keep his kid?......5 years of pain and then suddenly poof everything back. How many would be slaughtered because of the mass panic of populations who still don't get that the dissemination was due to Thanos and then think that people suddenly reappearing is devils and demons trying to inflict more pain on them.
Though I still have to have someone explain to me how the original snap worked since Thanos of 2014 was the one who got killed in the end. I know they explained it a bit but if Thanos of 2014 died how is he around to do the snap after that.
His plan was stupid, no doubt
That's why I prefer Endgame to Infinity War. I think the Marvel boys were so insecure about their stereotypical shitty villains that they tried to overcompensate with Thanos in IW. His plan was way too ridiculous and didn't fit with how they characterized him. As a compassionate and conflicted tyrant
Marvel, and I'm not trying to shit on the MCU here, kind of depends on the majority of their fans being stupid. Thanos's motivation was totally based on Malthus's very old and outdated theories. They didn't even attempt to address how outdated the ideas were. I'm not saying that a population crash is completely impossible, but Malthus's model was proven totally wrong, and Thanos never gave any convincing argument for his plan. But he is still hailed as an amazing villain, when he's kind of not