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“Violence never solved anything except ww2,9/11 and pretty much every other war violence and only violence could solve those problems”- would you agree with that”.

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I am a pacifist and I really do agree with that. Not on the small scale at all. Small scale should be able to solve things peacefully.

Large scale war tho. Lots of war is based on beliefs. People who will refuse to see the other sides point of view. Or basically out of need. My people are more important than your people.

But, violence never solved anything. Just look at the middle east.

When I was young A guy wanted to fight me because he wanted my girlfriend. I just said to him, if you win why would she leave me. he had no answer.

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Imagine you have a farm. Then some guys from the ethnic group Pooru-Potochi-Chunkay-Puum appear and say they like your lands, and now they're theirs.

What do you do?

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You contact the proper authorities and let the legal system handle it.

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Fine. But it happens that Pooru-Potochi-Chunkay-Puum ethnic group outnumbers everyone else and controls institutions. They are usually biased and favor themselves, so the proper authorities side with them.

What then?

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Then you probably need to look for a new farm, or maybe give up farming and run for office and try to fix the system. Or emigrate to the U.S. where things are handled fairly in the courts.

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Hypotheticals involving folks who sound like the came out of a Dr. Seuss book aside, I get what you're trying to say. When someone else attacks you or attempts to impose their will on you by force, sometimes violence is the first response that comes to mind. Realistically, violence is never the best solution, but in terms of acknowledging and acting on that, it has taken mankind a long time to get to where we are now, and we still have a long way to go.

Society exists to combat man's natural state when a better alternative exists, and societal trends are that violence has become less and less necessary. Compare human behavior in 1000 B.C. to 1500 to today. The trend is clear. So yes, sometimes nations still come into conflict, as do individuals, but with each passing day, we become more enlightened as a society, and need to rely less and less on violence to solve problems that are always better solved in a non-violent manner.

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What you called "folks who sound like the came out of a Dr. Seuss book" is actually the most common situation in History. The concept of equality under the law is a feature of the modern western world. A bubble in the history of men. And giving the decline of western countries, it doesn't seem that it will last long.

And no, the trend is not clear anymore. It was clear when western countries were rising up. But now they're down the hill. No Empire lives forever, though all of them believe they will. So now the question is how long this 'Pax Romana' will last. Eventually, it will end.

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I meant the name "Pooru-Potochi-Chunkay-Puum." That sounds like a creature with blue fur and a prominent topknot that Dr. Seuss would have invented.

The trend I mean is the steady march towards enlightenment. If you compare man when he emerged from the wild and began building civilization to man today, you see a consistent elimination of violent tendencies. It isn't specific to any nation or continent.

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I’ll let T’Challa take this one...

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Wise words tho.

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How do you define "solved?" War is violent, and it continues until one side surrenders, but what exactly does that mean? Was something solved, or did the war simply end? It's easy to point to World War II and say that violence solved something because the side most of us presumably consider to have been "the good guys" won, but what about cases where "the bad guys" won?

As an aside, in what way did 9/11 demonstrate violence as a solution to anything other than to eliminate the ugliest aspect of the Manhattan skyline? The 9/11 terrorists didn't solve much with their act of violence, and in truth it resulted in greater violence that continues to this day.

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