Cosmic Entities


I'm a bit confused as to why there is no mention of the "big guns" entities at the top of the Marvel Universe hierarchy for Endgame after The Snap. Wiping out half of all life in the universe should gain the attention of the big wigs like The Living Tribunal or even Eternity. An event like that isn't something they'd just accept. Would they?

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No, but I don't think the general non comic book fan audience would get the cosmic entity thing. Especially eternity.

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The thing is, it could get their attention without any of the Avengers knowing about them. Those cosmic entities are of such a large scale and are so intertwined with everything that the characters in the MCU could be witnessing them on a daily basis and not realize it.

Doctor Strange would probably be able to notice them, but he might also understand it's best to keep such things a secret.

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Granted regarding Doctor Strange and the Avengers. But wouldn't a universal event like that cause even the Living Tribunal to make contact with someone in the MCU he would determine of certain significance detailing the chaotic effect the snap caused? He may have already known before-hand but still puts a serious crimp in reality after something like that. I just somehow doubt he or even Eternity would just shrug.

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I could see the Living Tribunal contacting Wong, but that's about it unless we count Doctor Strange in the soul realm. For all we know, Wong makes such contact off screen.

I think what you are getting at is that the snap should have gotten their attention. I'm absolutely sure it did, but I don't see a particular reason why the Avengers like Cap and Black Widow must be contacted by them. And as far as contacting Wong or Strange, I don't see why it has to be shown on screen in End Game. I would prefer they saved that stuff for either a Doctor Strange sequel or the Eternals. They've already acknowledged the existence of the Living Tribunal in Doctor Strange.

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I thought it rather strange that Mordo introduced a weapon he was using in the sparing scene with Steven as The Staff of the Living Tribunal. Compared to the Living Tribunal it seemed less than a toothpick to have a name like that. It would be difficult to ascertain whether The Living Tribunal will appear in Endgame since details of past movies were kept in check before the release. It was said it will be 3 hours long, which I'm comfortable with as a run time, so that might be a possible indicator he may make an appearance. It would certainly be a stunner to the fans and audience if he did. Also I wonder what his voice would sound like from such an entity.

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Well Infinity War ended right after the snap, and almost nothing has been revealed about what happens in Endgame, so for all we know it's gonna happen

Supposedly the focus of the franchise, going forward, will be on the cosmic-scale events

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I know nothing about these entities, but its a general truth that writers find cosmic entities who can restore the universe to order a pain. What movie writers want is a way to get their heroes to be the ones to restore order, because even 2000+ years ago during the age of Aristophanes... deus ex machina finales were regarded as unsatisfying. ( And the writers of "Star Trek" always regretted introducing the Organian Peace Treaty.)

Therefore, I dont expect any of these cosmic entities to appear in a Marvel film.

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For the sake of the plot I imagine the writers would prefer the harder road for the heroes to fix the problem. It does add more watchable elements to see how it will all unfold. However, it is interesting to envision how the writers could introduce someone like The Living Tribunal. But since the cosmic beings govern their parts of the universe it would be a pinnacle scene to see a flowing roster run through of them noticing what happened after the snap. It wouldn't have to to be an extensive scene just long enough for the viewers to see the big guns for a moment before ending with the Living Tribunal looking as though he's come to a decision to contact even one of the MCU. If there is a "time travel" element involved based on Doctor Strange's use of the Time Stone to see future possibilities of the Endgame, then it may be possible The Tribunal could make contact with him.

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Look, the writers have already got fifty or sixty superheroes to give roles to, and somehow they've got to come up with a finale during which each and every one of them does something heroic and vital to the saving of the universe as we know it.


There will be blood shed in the writer's room, if someone tries to pile a superentity onto that!

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I suspect the next series of Marvel movies will be based mostly in space, hoping to slide into a more sci fi angle to avoid getting caught in the superhero falloff that the industry is bound to experience. Add that to the popularity of the GOTG,which they are confirmed making more of, it would make sense. Also, Adam Warlock hasn't even been on screen yet, but obviously they are going to introduce him, probably in this movie, but I doubt that's the end of him. Just one more thing making me think they are getting off earth and going cosmic. Nothing lasts forever. I would expect they'd go with a more modern run adaptation,like Annihilation or War of Kings, and I could see using a cosmic entity in a brief appearance just to introduce the concept to people, but I wouldn't expect them to have any major roles...yet.

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God damn. I so want to see the next hit Avengers movie be about the cosmic entities vs the beyonders with doctor strange at the front. No dr. doom sadly since they don't own the rights. Too bad they didn't make Stan Lee The One Above All (though I guess they gave enough cameo hints that he is).

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The Watchers have been introduced. (Final credits scene in Guardians Of The Galaxy Volume 2)

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I'm a bit confused as to why there is no mention of the "big guns" entities at the top of the Marvel Universe hierarchy for Endgame after The Snap


Well, seeing as how Endgame hasn’t been released yet (and the two MCU films that followed Infinity War didn’t necessarily show a post-snap world)... who says there won’t be any mention of this? They’re trying to keep things as secret as possible.

IF they overlook these entities in the end (I think we will see some of the effects The Snap had throughout the universe), then I wouldn’t see it as a big deal. Sure, although it would make sense to acknowledge the existence of bigger entities in the universe (besides the Watchers), they have so much ground to cover in Endgame. I mean... currently it does look like the film is going to reach the 3 hour mark. This ain’t a cakewalk!

But the many characters the film has to juggle aside, there can be other solid explanations as to why they don’t *need* to show or reference any notable Cosmic entities. Let’s wait and see though.

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I'm eager to wait and see as well. Which brings me to a side question regarding cosmic entities. I'm currently working on a particular original story that involves Thanos but also includes an entity part of (unofficially) and outside the Marvel universe.
https://www.deviantart.com/ziemospendric/journal/Untitled-Thanos-story-in-progress-738926581
I'm trying to formulate questions they would ask each other in their "chat" session but am coming up empty considering the level of the characters.

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Interesting

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Thanks. Formulating questions for a "chat" session between two people like them is turning out to be a bit daunting. ^_^

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