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Infinity Gauntlet discrepancy - minor spoiler


How old is that thing? The real one was introduced in the post credits scene of Avengers2, the fake one in Odin's vault even sooner. But the way its origins were explained in Infinity War it seems as if it wasn't around all that long - I guess if it happened hundreds of years ago then someone would already notice what happened with the dwarfs and the dead star.

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Depends on "when" in time Thanos attacked the Dwarfs and had them forge the gauntlet. This all might have proceeded many of the events in previous movies. You could tell by the dust and darkness when Thor and Rocket arrived, the place had been in disuse for a long period. Time is affected by space and vise-versa.

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It would make a lot more sense if the Gauntlet existed before Thanos. I mean look at what had to happen, bad guy needs to have that Gauntlet so long it becomes a public knowledge, hence why would Odin keep a fake of the Gauntlet if the item wasn't universally known?

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Maybe there was a similar gauntlet in the past? Thanos probably isn't the first to hope to wield all six stones, and perhaps centuries ago some other being forged a gauntlet to contain them in a failed attempt. That gauntlet is long lost, and fakes have been made in the ensuing centuries, so Thanos had a new one made.

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But what makes the Gauntlet Thanos is using not a fake? It's not the original by your theory so what makes his gauntlet different from the one Hela called fake?

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Consider Captain America's shield. That's a very precisely-made, hard-to-duplicate implement. It's composed mostly of vibranium, to absorb impact, with some other compound, maybe adamantium, around the edges to allow it to bounce off things when thrown. It's precisely curved to facilitate its return when thrown. In short, it would be extremely difficult to create a new one, but it could be done. If, after leaving his first shield with Tony at the end of Civil War, Steve had set out to have a duplicate shield made, he perhaps could have succeeded.

Meanwhile, plenty of fakes no doubt exist-- shields that look like the real thing, and perhaps even possess some of its characteristics, but aren't the real thing. That's how I see Thanos' gauntlet. It's a properly made duplicate of some long-ago forged gauntlet that has been long lost. At some point Odin added a good-looking fake to his collection, perhaps without himself knowing it was fake.

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It seems the craftsmanship behind the item is the question if your logic was right, and if something was well done then it's not a fake. I guess they needed to fit the Nidavellir arc to the story so they ended up with this. It's not that I didn't like that part of the movie (or the movie itself, cause it was awesome) but they could've changed the script and made Thanos' Gauntlet the original that exists for millennia but was damaged and he asked the dwarfs to fix it - rather than make a new one from scratch.

Also there's another issue. Thanos asked for something that could help him wield the six infinity stones. Yet how did the final product look the exact same way as the fake gauntlet from Odin's vault? Timing is the problem here, Thor was surprised to see what happened on Nidavellir so it seems Thanos' actions aren't that new i.e. his gauntlet isn't that new either. Okay I understand these are "gods" we're talking about here, creatures that live for centuries and longer, but still production date of the Gauntlet isn't THAT old. At least not that old to make its design historical.

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It makes sense to me. A gauntlet to wield the stones exists, but no one knows where it is. When Thanos set out to gather the stones, he knew he'd need a gauntlet, so he went to the Dwarves who had eons ago forged the original and forced them to make another,

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If I remember correctly when Thor was talking with that dwarf guy he said Thanos asked him to make him "something" so that he can wield the power of the stones. Don't remember his exact words but he did say "something". You don't ask for "something" if there's an original gauntlet already that's been misplaced like you say it is. Let alone someone who's so informed about the history behind the stones like Thanos, if the gauntlet was so well known like you say it is then Thanos would ask specifically for a replica, not "something".

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Maybe you're overthinking things? Who knows if Dinklage was quoting Thanos verbatim or just paraphrasing. He'd been isolated in that station for who knows how long, after seeing everyone he knew slaughtered. I think it's a safe assumption that the gauntlet itself is reproducible, and only the stones themselves are one-of-a-kind. Whether the dwarves had forged a previous gauntlet, or gauntlets, or Thanos brought in the model he'd stolen elsewhere, or some other scenario, is left to the audience to decide, but the fact that Odin had a replica tells us it's a known magical item, and Thanos is using a newly minted version.

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Oh don't worry I'm definitely overthinking this :) Since the stones are so special and powerful it would make it a lot cooler if there was only one gauntlet that gives the power to use the infinity stones. Kinda like there's only one key that opens a lock, if anyone can forge a new one that does the job then the key or the gauntlet in this case isn't that special.

Thanos' gauntler MUST be the first one simply because Hela called the other one fake. Cause if that one isn't the original and the gauntlet Thanos is using also isn't the original why wouldn't Odin's gauntlet work and be a useless item like Hela suggested? Clearly if a gauntlet isn't the original then it doesn't work - if a replica works then that's a plot hole in Ragnarok. But that would be the easy way out.

If the gauntlet is something that can be made in countless number while they all work then it's pointless to hold something like that on display the way Odin did. The way I see it only one gauntlet works and that's the one Thanos has. Odin made a replica to put his people at ease.

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I think my original analogy using Captain America's shield best explains it.

In theory, any number of shields could be made, but the process is so difficult and precise, and requires such rare materials, that it's a rare item.

The gauntlet is even more difficult to make, and even rarer.

Thanos' gauntlet is probably the second, maybe the third, but forging one requires some kind of magical alloy, the heat of a star, a master dwarf craftsman, etc.

I don't think your idea-- that Odin made a replica-- makes sense. It's clear that Thanos had his gauntlet forged fairly recently, and it's doubtful that anyone knew about it. After all, if Odin knew the dwarves had been killed and the star extinguished, he'd have done something. It makes far more sense that Thanos had a replica made of an ancient, rare artifact.

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It's possible Hela could've called it a fake because it had jewels in it instead of infinity stones. For all we know, she could've had the ability to put the space stone in it to move around, but never bothered because she was much more interested in the eternal flame.

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That gauntlet wasn't empty sure, but it was obvious to any normal person the jewels on it were not the original infinity stones. First of all Asgardians said clearly it wasn't safe to keep two infinity stones on the same planet so why would they keep all of them together? Also if any visitor to Odin's vault would be that naive to think those were the real stones how would they explain Teserract sitting on display a few feet away?

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That's a good point, but I guess the problem is we've known about that vault gauntlet since we saw it in Thor 1, and speculated it was real but for the other hand. Now we have the problem you pointed out. Hela is thousands of years old, shows up in Asgard and calls it a fake. IW then throws in a scene where Eitri says Thanos forced him to make 'the real' gauntlet. It's presented like the fake one came before the real one, which tells me maybe it's not fake.

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