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How you can tell the box office is a FRAUD


According to Disney, Captain Marvel has one of the highest box office in Marvel movies. The second top grossing 'non-Avengers' movie after Black Panther. Higher than any Iron Man, higher than Thor, higher than Captain America, higher than Guardians of the Galaxy...

Two months after the release, no sequel has been announced yet.

It took five days to announce Iron Man 2 after the original one was released. It took zero days to announce Guardians of the Galaxy 2 after the original one was released (the pre-screening were so successful that the sequel was announced at the same time the movie was released).

The first Thor movie was not as successful as expected and (marketing included) it just broke even. It took 2 months after release to announce Thor 2. Captain Marvel 2 hasnt even been announced after that time.

If Cpt Marvel box office is true, they should be willing to keep cashing it, even more once Avengers cycle is done. It would seem that Disney has become suddenly reluctant to make money. Quite curious, isn't it?

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Not really defending Captain Marvel as to me personally, it is the worst of the MCU film but Kevin Feige did say he decided on not officially announcing any phase 4 movies until Spider Man : Far from home is released.

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You mean, they decided the officially announced Dr.Strange 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, or Black Widow, wouldn't be officially announced, isn't it?

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Also a Black Panther sequel.

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Quite curious, isn't it?


Not really. Conspiracy theories like this are ridiculous and you offer zero proof that the numbers are fraudulent. A sequel is obviously a given whether an official announcent has been made or not. Your belief seems to be based on nothing more than the fact that you hate Brie Larson.

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Well they've ended the marvel universe so I'm guessing they need to take up to a year to really map out the next decade of movies. No need to rush.

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Well, this cycle started with Iron Man. Once they saw the success, they took up some time to map out this last decade of movies, no rush, waiting carefully before officially announcing Iron Man 2... FIVE days later.

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Wozzers, you are getting rather desperate, you have an issue with this movie making good Box Office, what was it , a bet with a buddy that it wont gross 1 billion ? Fegie always said that Captain Marvel will be the new leader of the Avengers , its inevitable that it will get a Sequel , just because it hasnt been annouced means squat.

its not curious at all , you are just very very very deluded.

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If this movie had been really a huge success, Disney would be willing to keep milking the cow. Actions speak louder than fake numbers.

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The troll is weak in this one.

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Please show evidence of these fake numbers, you do realise its not Disney that report on the numbers , how come they didnt assist with the numbers for Dumbo?

Trust me Marvel will milk Captain Marvel, this next phase is still being drawn out , she is the begining of something new.

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I haven’t heard anything official yet but it seem like Captain Marvel 2 won’t come out until at least 2022 so it’s awhile from now.

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Marvel has been purposefully secretive about Phase 4 and this goes back before Captain Marvel even came out. They haven't officially announced anything yet.

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- Hey, Marvel has been very secretive about Phase 4.
- Well, there's Spider-Man: Far From Home.
- That wouldn't be exactly Phase 4.
- There's Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
- Ok, but except Spider-Man: Far From Home and Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Marvel has been very secretive about Phase 4.
- And Black Widow.
- Fine, but except Spider-Man: Far From Home, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Black Widow, Marvel has been very secretive about Phase 4.
- And The Eternals.
- Fine, but except Spider-Man: Far From Home, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Black Widow and The Eternals, Marvel has been very secretive about Phase 4.
- And Doctor Strange 2.
- Fine, but except Spider-Man: Far From Home, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Black Widow, The Eternals and Doctor Strange 2, Marvel has been very secretive about Phase 4.
- And Black Panther 2.
- Ok, but except Spider-Man: Far From Home, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Black Widow, The Eternals, Doctor Strange 2 and Black Panther 2, Marvel has been very secretive about Phase 4.
- And Shang-Chi.
- Fine, but except Spider-Man: Far From Home, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Black Widow, The Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2 and Shang-Chi, Marvel has been extremely secretive about Phase 4. Except those 7 movies, we almost have no idea what movies will come!!

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Spider-Man Far From Home is Phase 3.

The other movies you mentioned have not been greenlit for Phase 4. All we know is that they will PROBABLY be made at some point in the future. After all, Marvel has changed its scheduling in the past. This is why we didn't get Infinity War Parts 2 and 3 with an Inhumans movie in between.

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Well, that means that they are way beyond any potential Captain Marvel right now.

And again, if Captain Marvel was the biggest sleeper and success in Marvel history, as the (SUPPOSED) numbers say, Disney would have rushed to announce the sequel to keep the hype alive.

They've done that ALWAYS, with two exceptions: Captain Marvel and Black Panther (it took months to announce the sequel). Those two cases, Disney didn't follow its own pattern.

Coincidentally, the two movies where there could be political reasons to fake the numbers...

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The other sequels have had at least some pre-poduction done before Captain Marvel was ever released so it makes sense that there are rumblings for those movies before there are rumblings for a CM sequel. Dr Strange came out three years ago and we barely know anything about a future sequel. It took almost a decade for Marvel to ever make a full Thor trilogy as well. The second Ant-Man movie came out last summer, have they announced a sequel yet? Iron Man was the only character with fast-tracked sequels.

The cast of CM and Fiege are talking about future plans for the character and Brie Larson's contract is good for four more films. They just haven't given any official word and that's not the only Marvel movie they are being secretive about. On Jimmy Kimmel, he asked the Avengers cast about a Black Widow movie and they skirted the subject even though the movie supposedly has a director and some actors attached. This is because Marvel is being secretive and they're not supposed to say anything. When it comes to GOTG3, Fiege was refusing to confirm if it was or was not going to happen until the recent news that James Gunn was rehired. Again, they have been secretive. Apparently we'll have to wait until the next Spider-Man movie comes out to know what movie they will do next. You're jumping the gun.

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Dr Strange came out three years ago and we barely know anything about a future sequel. It took almost a decade for Marvel to ever make a full Thor trilogy as well. The second Ant-Man movie came out last summer, have they announced a sequel yet? Iron Man was the only character with fast-tracked sequels.


Dr.Strange, Thor or Ant-Man were successful, but NOT very successful. They passed break even, but not much more. Think that, right now, considering marketing, these movies must make about 3-4 times their budget. Dr.Strange made 4 times its budget, Thor, 3 times its budget. Ant-Man, 4 times its budget.

Remember: right now, we're talking about 3-4 times the budget BEFORE having benefits.

The first Iron Man made 4 times its budget, but back then it was mostly domestic, foreign market was way smaller and so were marketing costs, not to say domestic gives higher percentage, so the movie was quite a money maker. And as you said, fast-tracked sequel.

Guardians of the Galaxy made 4.5 times its budget. Another fast-tracked sequel. The pattern is clear: fast-tracked sequels the moment the movies go beyond the break even let's say 'comfortably'.

Now the two political Marvel movies:

Black Panther made (supposedly) 6 TIMES its budgets. It took some months to decide before announcing the sequel. Captain Marvel has made (supposedly) 7 TIMES is budget. Two months later, they're still deciding whether to make a sequel or not.

Don't you see anything strange there? The numbers are way over the usual stuff. And however, they don't seem very thrilled about making sequels that could bring such amounts of money.

It doesn't make sense.

(Regarding GofG3, they were clearly waiting until the tweet scandal passed and they could hire him again. But that was a different and very specific problem).

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Why do you think Captain Marvel and Black Panther didn't make as much money as they claim? Both made a billion, right? I don't follow box offices that much but as I understand it, Ragnarok, Civil War, and all the Avengers movies at least made a billion. Maybe Iron Man 3? The box offices seem consistent with what we've seen from previous MCU movies. As someone who has seen every Marvel movie in theaters in three different countries, the theaters always seem consistently packed. These movies are popular. They make money.

That said, I have no doubt a Captain Marvel sequel is in the works. I wouldn't be surprised if there's the first draft of a script somewhere. They're just not announcing it until later.

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■ They're way out of the scale. Thor made 3 times its budget. Captain America, 2.5 times its budget. Iron Man, 4 times its budget. Dr.Strange, 4 times its budget. Then here comes Black Panther, a political movie, 6 times its budget!!. Captain Marvel, another political movie, a secondary character that keeps being canceled in the comic since nobody buys it, 7 times its budget!!

■ The two origin movies that go out of the scale are, what the odds, the two political movies where Disney would have an incentive to fake the numbers since those movies MUST succeed, just because. You don't do shit out of the blue. You need a motive. And here there's a clear political motive.

■ At the same time, Disney seems unthrilled about making sequels to movies that have (supposedly) brought so much money. You discover a golden moose and you go 'meeh'? That doesn't make sense... unless they know the real numbers are not that thrilling.

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A lot of African Americans and women who wouldn't normally watch comic movies came out to watch Black Panther and Captain Marvel due to representation. Some people also speculate that since those movies were lead-ins to the big Infinity movies, that it resulted in higher box office numbers as well. Anyway, if Disney was buying up tickets for them as you claim, that wold mean they are losing millions of dollars. That strategy makes no sense. And certainly, if they were willing to do that for Captain Marvel or Black Panther, then why not Solo or Incredibles 2 or Dumbo? Incredibles 2 was just as "political" as Captain Marvel but it didn't do well.

Also, you contradict yourself. You say Disney is "unthrilled" (not a word) about a Captain Marvel movie while also stating that they are willing to fudge the numbers for a Captain Marvel movie. Which is it? Are they interested or not?

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Political movies, the same as religious movies, don't need to make sense from a strategic point of view. There's a lot of things that Christian movies could do better to improve their strategy, but you know what? they don't because that would betray whatever message they send.

When you make movies because YOU BELIEVE, money becomes secondary and strategy focuses in what matters for believers: to spread the MESSAGE.

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I think they are smart enough to know that there are multiple factors that effect box office. The Winter Soldier didn't make that much money, but is a lot of people's number one MCU film of all time. The Russos were given the reins of the MCU about a year after that film came out I think. Thor: the dark world made about the same numbers globally, but they found a new director for Thor 3, because they could see that it was a weak film.

Captain Marvel did good box office for every reason except the quality of the film itself. Kevin Feige is no doubt smarter than all of us when it comes to making movies, and knows this. Brie Larson has not endeared herself to the fanbase on or off screen. Captain Marvel needs to be fixed. They need new directors first of all.

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If they didn't care about money, then they wouldn't go to the trouble of buying tickets and rigging the box office. Additionally, you claim that they will not be making a Captain Marvel sequel (despite evidence to the contrary) because it didn't make money. If Marvel didn't care about a movie that did not make money as long as it fit a narrative then they would make a Captain Marvel sequel.

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I've heard that they just add six zeroes after the actual box office total. In reality, this movie has only made $415.

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Evidence ?

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Well I got out my trusty magnifying glass and followed a trail of clues to the local theater where they were showing CM and while there were quite a few viewers, something seemed off about their faces. On a hunch, I grabbed one by the hair and tugged, revealing two giant round black ears and a rodent face. I tried another and another and they turned out to be a giant duck and a goofy looking dog. Then all the moviegoers started chasing me. I think I got away and I’m hiding in a utility closet right now until it’s safe. Oh shit! What’s that...

Ha ha! I retract everything I just said. I guess I let my imagination run away with me, ha haaa! Go see Disney’s Captain Marvel and Avengers Endgame for an evening of quality family entertainment, ha haaaaa!

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