Day 50 and CM Box Office is Doing Better than **Fine** - Captain Marvel (2019) Discussion

[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

This movie will indeed benefit from a very strategic bit of positioning within Marvel's release schedule. Audiences are being introduced to Captain Marvel right before Avengers:Endgame and with the press tour going on now Captain Marvel seems to be portraying the character in all of it's grace and warts on full display.

CM is an overly confident
Cocky
Self-Assured
A Cosmic Level Powerhouse

And audiences don't know quite what to make of her and her characterization.

It appears that Marvel is taking a HUGE gamble in positioning Captain Marvel as a new face of the MCU but is this the type of character that should lead this story into the future? Isn't over-confidence really the peak before the valley and the fall through self-awareness? A bit like Thor's journey?

For me it hardly makes any sense and as my alias suggests I am a fan of one of the then most powerful of Marvel characters (the Silver Surfer) who was the most deeply philosophical portrayed characters that Lee and Kirby ever jointly created. So far Carol Danvers doesn't have that type persona and it isn't serving the character well. If Feige is going to drag this character through all the things Ms. Marvel went through it would be a disaster. The arc would be quite serious and mature but why go through that? I mean Ms. marvel was basically raped, had a child as her rapist and the rest of the Avengers were okay with that. Later it was retconned, reworked or revisited but the damage was already done. CM's history is overly complicated by that kind of sensationalist thoughtless writing but the deed is done now.

Arrogant or cocky has never looked good or done our Heroes well in history. We love to build them up and then tear them down regardless. But in my opinion there is no growth for audiences to want to tear down CM right from the beginning of her introduction.

Oh, well. It will be interesting to see where this goes and A:E will give us our first look.

12 days away for me.

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[–] TheNewResistance (62) 5 years ago

Considering that Endgame will outgross Avatar, you could've put a two hour film about a turd before it, and say that it's connected to Endgame, and it would make a billion.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

[–] TheNewResistance (49) 22 minutes ago
Considering that Endgame will outgross Avatar, you could've put a two hour film about a turd before it, and say that it's connected to Endgame, and it would make a billion.

If that were indeed the case, if Marvel was arrogant enough and foolish enough to do exactly what you said Marvel would have instantly killed Avengers:Endgame.

There would have been zero interest and the backlash against Marvel would have been unprecedented for tricking their audience that blatantly. I know it's fun to say what you typed but the reality is much different than what you typed.

Marvel would not be able to get away with that even one time. Audiences are just not that naïve.

BvS and Justice League are prime examples of that. BvS was never intended to be a turd but look how audiences became instantly skeptical and more or less abandoned Justice League off of the distaste for BvS. Why would Marvel even risk that? The end result was even if you feel CM was a less than mediocre movie Marvel had every intention of putting out a crowd pleaser.

There was so much more to gain by doing that than by consciously pushing out a turd.

Meanwhile CM might still get an Avengers:Endgame bump. There would be no reason for that to happen if the movie was indeed as terrible or as off putting as some say or think.

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[–] TheNewResistance (62) 5 years ago

"If that were indeed the case, if Marvel was arrogant enough and foolish enough to do exactly what you said Marvel would have instantly killed Avengers:Endgame."

I highly doubt that. MCU didn't kill The Avengers because three movies preceding it were either average or mediocre. The power of the brand is stronger than the power of quality (or lack of thereof).

"There would have been zero interest and the backlash against Marvel would have been unprecedented for tricking their audience that blatantly."

I highly doubt that. People still value MCU as their bred and butter, as their reason to live, despite MCU releasing a lot of mediocre or straight up bad movies throughout their coarse.

"I know it's fun to say what you typed but the reality is much different than what you typed."

No, it's not fun, because it proves that the MCU is in such a position, anything they will do, no matter how mediocre and bad, guarantees success.

"Marvel would not be able to get away with that even one time. Audiences are just not that naïve."

Uh-huh. Iron Man 3. A movie with a poop joke in it. And guess what? It made 1.2 billion. So there goes my point. It's sad, and yes, I'm right on that.

"BvS and Justice League are prime examples of that."

BvS and Justice League were not part of the brand that cemented its existence over the coarse of ten years by appealing to everyone and having a consistent tone.

"Why would Marvel even risk that?"

Because they know the power of their brand will prevail. Like I said, Iron Man 3 proved it. That movie mocked its own audience. Still made 1.2 billion.

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[–] TheNewResistance (62) 5 years ago

"The end result was even if you feel CM was a less than mediocre movie"

I'd say it's even below that.

"Marvel had every intention of putting out a crowd pleaser."

Like they did with Iron Man 3 and Thor The Dark World?

"There was so much more to gain by doing that than by consciously pushing out a turd."

Which is why they pushed a turd on us.

"Meanwhile CM might still get an Avengers:Endgame bump."

Very nice. Disney becomes even richer. I can't be happier.

"There would be no reason for that to happen if the movie was indeed as terrible or as off putting as some say or think."

Yeah, sure, pal/ma'am.

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[–] FilmBuff (6691) 5 years ago

A poorly made film would fail at the box office, regardless of any connection to an upcoming blockbuster. In fact, had Captain Marvel not been a well-made film, not only would it have flopped, its lack of quality would have decreased interest in Endgame, and chipped away at that film's box office potential. In other words, you have it backwards.

Marvel made yet another great film, and its box office speaks to that.

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[–] TheNewResistance (62) 5 years ago

"A poorly made film would fail at the box office,"

Iron Man 2 was a poorly made film. (Mickey Rourke hated working on that film. Jon F. was disappointed with it as well.) It didn't fail at the box office. Thor 2 was a poorly made film. (Almost every person who worked on that film hated working on it. The director said working on that film was wrenching. Christopher E. hated working on it. Hemsworth said it was "meh".) It didn't fail, either. Age of Ultron was a poorly made film. (It was the reason why Whedon left the MCU. He hated working on that film.) It made only on 100 million less than the original Avengers.

"In fact, had Captain Marvel not been a well-made film, not only would it have flopped, its lack of quality would have decreased interest in Endgame, and chipped away at that film's box office potential. In other words, you have it backwards."

Nah. The Avengers didn't fail because the three movies that preceded it didn't hit a high mark. The hype is bigger than quality. Endgame will gain money because it's Endgame. It's Captain Marvel who will benefit from the Endgame, not the other way.

"Marvel made yet another great film,"

Nope.

"and its box office speaks to that."

Blade Runner 2049 didn't make any profit. I suppose its box office speaks for how bad it was.

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[–] Satan2016 (23350) 5 years ago

It's around $1,075M Thursday (estimating foreign mon-thu). Another $10m on the weekend would put it at #25 WW, replacing TDKR.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

Aquaman stands at $1,147 Million dollars with $298 Million from China alone. Captain Marvel by the end of it's run won't match Aquaman WW but will be within striking distance which I find to be stunning! yes it will be a mix of A:E and the character itself but the amount is no less stunning.

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[–] wickerman1271 (940) 5 years ago

It will definitely cross $400 Million domestically next weekend , which is amazing

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

Captain Marvel is slowly creeping up the domestic chart for boxoffice and those that follow lists have a rather skewed perspective for this film. Movies don't make that type of money domestically with smoke and mirrors and it isn't that easy to achieve. CM does benefit by Marvel branding but Dr. Strange, Guardians and Thor have yet to crack the $400 Million amount and they are all Marvel films.

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[–] Fonz (632) 5 years ago

It amazing how well Captain Marvel is doing. Regardless how Marvel Disney manages to be able to do it doesn’t matter cause it could have failed and it didn’t so. Of course people say well it benefited from being the lead in to Endgame and all the hype and marketing did it. The real test will come with Captain Marvel 2 if it can stand alone by its self.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

And with that said Captain Marvel's performance in Avengers:Endgame will go a long way to boosting (or for some hurting) the audience's desire to see a CM2. Marvel has done two things they've gotten Captain Marvel's introduction out of the way and they've given CM a showcase in a pressure packed situation to prove herself.

That's pretty strategic planning for developing a character.

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[–] Fonz (632) 5 years ago

I’m sure Captain Marvel character will do well in Endgame as CM will lead the new Avengers after Endgame.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

I’m sure Captain Marvel character will do well in Endgame as CM will lead the new Avengers after Endgame.

In this case "Doing Well" is totally subjective from the POV of certain audiences who already have a bias For or Against the character going into Avengers:Endgame. Those that are For Captain Marvel I do not consider equal to those that are Against Captain Marvel.

My take on this is that there are those that are For are not dismissing so-called flaws in performance but those that are Against are knowingly willing to over exaggerate things that they see that they feel make the portrayal inferior or not meeting "their" expectations of what the character should be.

I too am sure that the unfolding of the story, the writing and the Russo brothers as directors are determined to produce a great story driven by characters. It is this attention to characters that has made the MCU so successful and the characters beloved. There are those that are protective of the their investment in the current characters who feel that CM's insertion into the Infinity Saga is premature and distracts and takes away from the existing characters.

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[–] DracTarashV2 (4475) 5 years ago

Indeed she shall. I don’t have any reason to doubt her.

And I know I’m not alone when I say that she reminds me of Stark in some ways (lovably arrogant since day one).

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[–] Satan2016 (23350) 5 years ago

It was only expected to make $5m this weekend, but will do much better. Bomojo:

In other news, Captain Marvel appears to be taking advantage of the hype heading into the release of Avengers: Endgame next weekend as it brought in an estimated $3.1 million on Friday and just might top $400 million domestically this weekend.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

Is it possible that all movies including Captain Marvel should be getting a holiday bounce (Good Friday and Easter Sunday)? Nothing religious mind you, just an excuse to get out and hit the theaters. With that said I agree with you that it might tap, hit or even knock out $400 Million this weekend.

Who'd a thunk that?

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[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

CM drastically over performing this Easter weekend....

CM is now guaranteed to top WW's domestic total.....bringing a fitting end to QUEENs Life

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

The $400 Million dollar Domestic club is pretty darn exclusive and is an impressive financial achievement. Adjusted for inflation WW is $416 Million so Captain Marvel will have to chip away at that amount to be Free and Clear of any liens to it's win. Right now only 33 films have reached that amount or more. It will soon be 34 and CM will creep up that list and become, at minimum #25?

CM is now guaranteed to top WW's domestic total.....bringing a fitting end to QUEENs Life.

Life, sounds a bit foreboding in that context alone by itself. Could you just change that to Trolling or Trolling Life?

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

Why do you care?

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

Why are you asking?

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

Explaining why it is important to you may help me understand why it should be important to me.

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[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

Its probably because of all the naysayers that said it would fail. The anti-SJW campaign against it was supposed to be a tremendous hit to the box office but it turns out they were nothing but a bunch of loud incels circle jerking themselves via youtube's algorithms.

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

You're telling me what other people are supposedly doing, that wasn't my question.

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[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

I provided an explanation not of what people were supposedly doing but what they were 100% doing. They simply failed to get the results they wanted. This thread is proof.

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[–] HushPuppy (142) 5 years ago

No you aren't. You're pretending to be a victim, while simultaneously gloating about corporate domination over under-privlidged basement dwellers.

"Gaming YouTube's algorithms". That's something you heard in the news. I know it, because I saw it too. You're repeating it uncritically. How does that stack up against YouTube itself, directly controlling those algorithms? Rotten Tomatoes even removed their entire voting system in order to suppress critical views. That's scary, and what's even scarier is liberals insisting they still aren't censoring hard enough.

The OP NorrinRad even said he was afraid that professional critics would be bullied into giving negative reviews. Talk about wrong predictions. I know you saw it, because you posted in that thread. This is like mocking people who knew Jussie Smullete faked that hate crime, because he got let off the hook. Turns out he was an even bigger criminal than we thought. Takes a warped mind to celebrate that.

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[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

Recognizing an anti-SJW campaign against Brie Larson is not an example of being a victim of it.

I never claimed anyone was gaming a system so not sure why you quoted it. I called it a circle jerk. Its a small amount of people who are recommended like-minded content by youtube's algorithms which convinces them that they are a majority. Its exactly how and why the flat earth movement is big on youtube but practically nonexistent outside the internet.

It doesn't matter what the OP said in another thread. My reply was to McQualude who asked a question in this thread. Jussie Smollett is just another example of a circle jerk. Trumpers are so desperate to get a win that when something like this happens they jump all over it and "circle jerk." Yet at the end of it all nobody was hurt. Police had to do extra work. But when it comes to real things like John Kless making real threats that terrorize people. None of you care. It doesn't appease your circle jerk.

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

This controversy lives in the minds of those fighting it. In the 1970's, Time and Newsweek pumped a fake controversy about global cooling because it sold issues. They eventually apologized but online media is even more prone to pumping fake controversies because they aren't real journalists and make a living from clickbait. Stop reading all that crap and watch how fast this "controversy" dries up in your real life. If it doesn't change what you do tomorrow, it isn't important.

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[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

I'm not talking about online media though. I'm talking about "woke" youtube content creators pushing for a boycott because they didn't like what Brie Larson said about 40 year old film critics. They get plenty of views from like-minded individuals and get high like ratios. The goal was to lower CM's box office and raise Shazam's but the boycott failed because they believed they were more numerous than they actually were. Not many cared for the cause outside of youtube.

So as you see there is plenty reason to tout CM's box office success. It proves the haters were just a small group of grumpy dudes.

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[–] Satan2016 (23350) 5 years ago

This was posted 2 hours ago, weekend estimates usually arrive at noon EST. $400m Sun, but only $409 closing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2019/04/21/captain-marvel-box-office-tops-previous-week-passing-400-million-domestic/

All told, Captain Marvel now seems likely to end its remarkable theatrical run by mid-May, with approximately $1.110 billion for the #23 spot on the all-time worldwide box office charts.

Box office figures and tallies based on data via Box Office Mojo , Rentrak, and TheNumbers.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

Forbes also paints or summarizes Captain Marvel's Box office as not having enough screens, legs and hold to reach $412 million domestic. It appears just be to running out of steam.

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[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

lol this is literally one of the most clueless POSTS I've ever read...

There is ZERO chance CM doesnt make at least another 13 Million ,,,

If we just quickly Assume its going to have 50% holds the rest of its run(which CM is having Much better than 50% holds)

its 4.5 next weekend
then 2.25
then 1.1 M
then .5 Million

thats 8 Million right there and thats NOT COUNTING that daily money its going to make every day during this time.

Also Not counting is the BUMP its going to get from Endgame in the next 2 weeks...

Literally Amateur stuff here from Forbes

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[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

heres another post that isnt completely clueless where Is states CM is now set to top WWs 412 Million....

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/captain-marvel-gets-avengers-fueled-163619643.html

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

It's Forbes Bill. They offer investment strategy and are just hedging their bets. They used the same high low pitch as The Motley Fool : https://www.fool.com/

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[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

#23 isn't too shabby for a deep cut like Carol Danvers. It sucks that it had to battle the anti-Brie Larson campaigns though which gave it an inappropriately low audience score. But thankfully good has prevailed over the forces of evil :)

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

As of today's Boxoffice reporting (really for Thursday) Captain Marvel has the #1 daily boxoffice. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

I did a double take and had to read that twice. CM just leapfrogged over Shazam! by roughly $600,000. That's a lot of people showing up to a film and is 3 times the number of tickets sold between the two. Shazam! has been out for 21 days and CM for 49 days.

#23? Maybe more like #20 if this continues. Avengers:Endgame has some pretty strong coattails.

And I also agree with you on the audience scores being ridiculously deflated for Captain Marvel.

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