Brie Larson Quote "I don't need no 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work with a wrinkle in time, it wasn't made for you", if i replaced white dude with black chick, i am instantley called a racist and a sexist, why does she get a free pass.
And the constant repeat of "i don't hate white dudes" over and over again, rule of thumb if someone keeps repeating that they are not racist, im not racist, im not racist because i have black friends or another example all you are doing is reaffirmng to yourself that your are not racist because you need to keep reminding yourself of this fact which normaly means you are racist.
She can't even say men it's dudes.
Instead of trying to bring facts to the table of why there are more white men critiquing films she just turns it into a race baiting video.
She uses the example of a wrinkle in time and i quote "If you make a movie that is a love letter to woman of colour, their is an insanely low chance a woman of colour will have of seeing your movie and reviewing it". How has a woman of colour have an insanely low chance, are they not permitted into cinemas, are they banned, no they are not so every woman of colour could have seen that film. Are woman of colour not allowed to review and critique movies, no of course they are not, if they so want to they can, anyone can. It is the time of bloggers, youtubers, twitter and facebook where everyone can have a say and get their message out so i don't buy that statement for one second, again race baiting.
A Wrinkle In Time was in 3,980 theaters at it's widest release and ran for 17 weks (119 days) based off boxofficemojo with a budget of between $100-$130 million dollars, not exactly hard to see and definately not an "insanely low chance". The movie was just crap. It wasn't because of a lack of diversity or to many white male critics, it was just crap end of story and the box office reflected that. This constant push to make everything about race and colour is why people are constanty argueing against it. This movie failed because not enough woman ofcolour critics, Ghostbusters failed because people don't like female leads which we know is nonsense but they will keep pushing it hence the constant arguements and discussions about identity politics and agendas being pushed above story telling, above entertainemnt.
The population of USA 326,625,791 (July 2017 est.), white 72.4%, black 12.6%, i am aware of others but fo this particular discussion these were the two relevant numbers. With further searching i could breakdown that into male and female but for sake of argument lts say 50/50, so 6.3% woman of colour.
So basing it on those stasistics then in every 100 critics, 6 will be woman of colour and 36 white men which is basicaly the statistics she gave, i don't see the issue but obviously their is one.
Are you tellimg me that disney spent that much money for only 6.3%, of course they didn't that would be insane by negating and forgetting about the other 93.7% but no one wants to hear that. Again more race baiting.
Movies are made for everyone, it is then your choice if you like them or not and that is the same with a critic, his or her skin colour makes no difference if the movie is good or bad.
Using examples of kids critquing kids movies is so stupid, they would probabaly say everything is the best film ever.
Also by calling people inels for their opinion and yes it is an opinion you are just as bad, you are no better. If someone belives their is an agenda then that is ther opinion by saying incel you are just like the media making every negative review to be trolling.
Brie larson can spin it all she wants but everything she said would have been automatically called racist and sexist if it was changed to black but because it is against white men then it is fine and acceptable. The hypocrisy is beyond ridiculous.
I just want to watch a movie, i watch movies becuase they are entertaining, becuase i can view worlds that are not the norm and not reality, i want reality i watch the news, i don't need or want the actor/director/producer telling me their personal politics regarding race or gnder jsut tell me an entertaining story and i won't care less if the cast is white, black, asian, indian, pakistani or whoever else you wanna cast, no one actually cares. The issue is the media and these type of actors will keep pushing these agendas as they have to so that the victim card can always be played.
Brie Larson and many like her are not oppressed, they are not held back in any way, even though they tell you, they lead very privilaged lives at the top of the ivory tower as they look down and tell us what jobs we should or shouldn't be doing and make us feel guilty.
You can agree or disagree with what i have written i don't mind either way, what i hate is if you are in any way negatve then your a re a troll or incel or any of the other fashionable words going about.
I now await the incel remarks.
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ultravioletx (10216)
5 years ago
"Brie Larson Quote "I don't need no 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work with a wrinkle in time, it wasn't made for you", if i replaced white dude with black chick, i am instantley called a racist and a sexist, why does she get a free pass."
Keep in mind what Brie Larson said was an opinion and cannot be proven to be factual or non-factual. However if you replaced "white dude" with "black chick" then you would be saying something factually incorrect. You assume that you can just change the race of the person in question and think the basis of what is being said remains intact. But it doesn't. It falls to pieces. Brie specifically pointed out the majority of movie critics were white men. It can be factually verified that "black chicks" are not the majority of movie critics. It can be factually verified that "white dudes" are. It can also be factually verified that "white dudes" are not the key demographic of A Wrinkle in Time.
So if you were to replace "white dudes" with "black chicks" in the context of movie critics and a Winkle in Time's demographic then you are rightfully going to raise peoples' eyebrows. And yes some would undoubtedly consider you a racist.
Now lets say Brie Larson said something different. Lets say she said she doesn't care what any white dude thinks about any movie. Lets say you replace "white dude" with "black chick." Yes. In this case you would also be seen as a racist. However if Brie Larson had actually said she doesnt care what any white dude thinks about any movie then she herself would already be attacked as a racist. In fact she is being attacked as a racist right now by these anti-feminists simply because she said she doesn't care what a 40 year old white male reviewer thinks about a movie that was made for a different demographic.
These types of things are not difficult to realize in your head if you stop to think. The problem seems to be that you are too eager to complain that you skip certain beats of logic.
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sokar (2098)
5 years ago
I had a reply already done, but i found this to be better way of describing what everyone seems to be completely missing and giving Brie Larson a free pass.
"I don't need no 40 year old black chick to tell me what didn't work with Dunkirk, it was not made for you."
"I don't need no 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work with A Wrinkle in time, it was not made for you."
Which statement is sexist and racist?
Oh and you need a special congratulations for bending everything i said and completey missing the point and actually ignoring about 3/4 of what i wrote.
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ultravioletx (10216)
5 years ago
"I don't need no 40 year old black chick to tell me what didn't work with Dunkirk, it was not made for you."
That would be instantly deemed racist and sexist, twitter would explode, literally go into meltdown.
It would be deemed as racist because you've completely changed the context. 40 year old black women are not the majority of film reviewers. If you were to target a "40 year old black chick" in a sea of "40 year old white guy" film reviewers then people are going to question why you are doing that.
Like I said before. You are assuming you can change the race of the person in question and think the basis of what is being said remains intact. But it doesn't.
This is simple stuff that you would notice if you weren't trying so hard to complain.
If you can show a majority of critics who are black women giving Dunkirk a negative review then we can talk. The problem is that context does not exist. But the one Brie complained about indeed does exist.
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sokar (2098)
5 years ago
racist is racist, sexist is sexist, what has majority or minority got to do with it.
You are basically saying only the majority can be racist and sexist which is complete and utter nonsense.
If that is your argument it is weak and doesn't deserve continuing.
It's called a hyperthetical question, well done in not understanding how this works becuase you cannot answer that question. If you do you denounce your entire argument if you say they are both racist and sexist. If you don't you do not undertsand in any way shape or form what those terms means.
Again racist is racist, sexist is sexist, the minority or the majrity mean nothing in regards to the definition of the words.
So i ask again?
"I don't need no 40 year old black chick to tell me what didn't work with Dunkirk, it was not made for you."
"I don't need no 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work with A Wrinkle in time, it was not made for you."
Which statement is sexist and racist?
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ultravioletx (10216)
5 years ago
"racist is racist, sexist is sexist, what has majority or minority got to do with it."
Because she wasn't saying a 40 year old white male movie reviewer's opinion was invalid. She was saying the vast majority of film critics were outside A Wrinkle in Time's target demographic.
"I don't need no 40 year old black chick to tell me what didn't work with Dunkirk, it was not made for you."
"I don't need no 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work with A Wrinkle in time, it was not made for you."
Which statement is sexist and racist?
Its a stupid comparison. Dunkirk is a well-received movie by most audiences. A better comparison would be a not-so-well-received movie that targets white males. I feel like if a white guy said he didn't care what a teenage black girl felt about the Last Jedi he too would get a pass. But it would be suspicious since there aren't any teenage black girls making up a majority of film critics trashing that movie despite that movie being complete trash worthy of criticism. So why focus on the opinion of teenage black girls then?
Yet I can tell you exactly why Brie focused on 40 year old white dudes. You say majority doesn't matter. But her exact point was that 40 year old white dudes were the majority of film critics and A Wrinkle of Time had a different demographic. lol. This doesn't get any simpler.
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FFNogoodnik (770)
5 years ago
Because she wasn't saying a 40 year old white male movie reviewer's opinion was invalid.[/quote]
When someone says "they do not care what a 40 year old white dude thinks because the film was not made for them" of a film they are most certainly saying that person's opinion is invalid.
[quote]But her exact point was that 40 year old white dudes were the majority of film critics and A Wrinkle of Time had a different demographic.
A film critic's job is to be able to understand different points of view other than their own. They are supposed to be able to identify the story and tell the audience if the film showed the story well regardless of the story.
I can not do that so I am not a film reviewer.
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G1102 (103)
5 years ago
"Because she wasn't saying a 40 year old white male movie reviewer's opinion was invalid. She was saying the vast majority of film critics were outside A Wrinkle in Time's target demographic. "
Do you have a low iq or what or are you just trolling.
You know what is the job of a movie critic? That's right to say if a movie is good or bad regardless of gender politics and what not, as long as they are not some kind of shills .
To say that 'the vast majority of film critics were outside A Wrinkle in Time's target demographic ' would be like me saying to a doctor that i don't believe his diagnostic because i am white and he is black.
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ultravioletx (10216)
5 years ago
Because they are not equivalent. Dunkirk is not equivalent to A Wrinkle in Time.
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5 years ago
They aren't films?
Should only certain film critics critique certain films?
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ultravioletx (10216)
5 years ago
One is a critical success while the other is not. If they were just films then he wouldn't have used two different ones. What A Wrinkle in Time is to black people is not the same as what Dunkirk is to white people which his comparison is trying to suggest.
If films are films then what Frog wrote below counts. If you like watching porn with black guys and white women then you're not going to care what a black female porn critic thinks about it. You're not going to be labeled as a racist for life and nobody is going to make you lose your job if you said those movies weren't made for her. You're going to get a complete pass.
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5 years ago
Why would the colour of ones skin matter with regards to their enjoyment of a film?
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maul (1530)
5 years ago
I don't even bother with these "debates" anymore. Totally pointless exercise.
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codebasher (29)
5 years ago
it's worse than trying to play chess with a blind Chimpanzee
They just can't get past the endless hate and generalizations towards anyone who dare offer the slightest dissent.
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FilmBuff (6687)
5 years ago
No one is saying only the majority can be racist. What Larson said, and what others here are pointing out, is that the majority of film critics are white men, and that many would find it interesting to hear film criticism from other demographics.
When you made your A Wrinkle in Time / Dunkirk comparison, you missed the point entirely. That doesn't mean only the majority can be racist. It means in this particular discussion about film critics you can't simply reverse the statement without being nonsensical. In other words, if one were to say "I'm bothered by the fact that the overwhelming majority of film critics are black females," they would not be making sense. You can't just swap "white male" and "black female" and expect the meaning not to change.
So yes, anyone can be racist or sexist, and one needn't be part of a majority group to be ether of those things, but in the case of this particular argument, since the statement Larson made was that most critics are white males, there is no "flip side." We can't just start plugging in whatever race or gender we want and expect the statement to still make sense.
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G1102 (103)
5 years ago
the real point should be .Are they entitled to be film critics? Do they have the knowledge ,expertise and whatnot
if the answer is yes, what's the point of of this quote '"I don't need no 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work with a wrinkle in time, it wasn't made for you". Next time the studio should just warn the wrong people to stay away.
Is she stupid or what?
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Frogarama (12942)
5 years ago
"Is she stupid or what?"
Considering your post is meaningless gibberish that has nothing to do with the point, I would ask the same about you.
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G1102 (103)
5 years ago
Am I?
Please enlighten me with your 3rd grade wisdom, my lord.
Didn't know she hired an attorney. Lucky for me you don't seem so bright so I think I am going to be ok.
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Frogarama (12942)
5 years ago
No thanks, trollface. Stick your misogynistic bullshit up your ass.
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G1102 (103)
5 years ago
Ok stupid.That's the most inteligent thing you said ,till now.Your brain must be frying from all that thinking.
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FilmBuff (6687)
5 years ago
You are focusing on the race and gender of the critic, which isn't the issue. The issue is that most critics are white males. Are you able to understand the vast difference between those two concepts?
Larson made the remark about A Wrinkle in Time to point out that the overwhelming majority of film critics are white males. She isn't saying their opinions are invalid, but rather that she wants to hear from critics from other backgrounds as well. Do you understand the difference?
Unless you believe that most critics are 40 year-old black women, your remark about Dunkirk is different than hers about A Wrinkle in Time. Also note that what you wrote is not what she said. You've paraphrased it in a way that makes it sound racist and sexist, but her actual words were:
“I don’t want to hear what a white man has to say about ‘A Wrinkle in Time.’ I want to hear what a woman of color, a biracial woman has to say about the film. I want to hear what teenagers think about the film.”
You seem to be interpreting her remark as saying that she has something against white men, or doesn't care what white men say, or that whites or men are somehow bad. Nothing she said equates to that.
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Frogarama (12942)
5 years ago
Im not interested in what anyone in particular matches or doesn't match, so that is set aside.
"I don't need no 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work with a wrinkle in time, it wasn't made for you"
Yes, a narratively delivered example of her point about the disparity between critic demographics and target demographics. It all comes down to the opinions of readers, wanting to find familiar voices, and the marketing of all movies. But she mentions the higher impact on indie films in particular, iirc.
Thats all I think really needs to be responded to, and you did put it at the top. Plus you posted so much....
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kuku (3510)
5 years ago
Yes, a narratively delivered example of her point about the disparity between critic demographics and target demographics.
The problem is that is just an excuse to promote some kind of chosen people according to racial modern narratives. You really don't give a shit about the disparity between critic demographics and target demographics.
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Frogarama (12942)
5 years ago
Chosen people? It's reader opinion and it affects box office.
That's exactly what I've been saying and it's exactly what Brie talked about, blatantly.
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Roguemail (1562)
5 years ago
Again with the 'what if' shit.
You are obsessed with this. It's almost like you are so disappointed she said nothing offensive about white men, you are just desperately trying to spin it to make it seem like you have a point.
You dont. Give it up.
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codebasher (29)
5 years ago
Sokar, Your beautiful post contains far too much common sense, facts and logic. Please revise.
It is a shame bitter SJW types won't listen to a word you said but at least I appreciate your efforts.
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Frogarama (12942)
5 years ago
Oh here is a bit more for ya:
"Using examples of kids critquing kids movies is so stupid, they would probabaly say everything is the best film ever."
Thats a dismissive.comment which ignores what was actually posted. The opinions of their similarly aged peers includes word of mouth, such as talking to friends and school mates.
This is an easy one: An average 12 year old is thinking of watching, say, Bumblebee. Which opinion of the movie would have more impact on the decision to watch: The reviews of random professional critics, or the kid's friends giving feedback after having seen it?
"Also by calling people inels for their opinion and yes it is an opinion"
Nope, I called people incels for their leaps to frivilous conclusions, leaps that are based on misinterpretation and/or cherrypicking, as well as the tribalistic groupthink and this incessant whining by this incel crowd every time they pick up even a possible whiff of feminist opinion. Meanwhile these reactionary keyboard warriors fighting against... something... call others things like sjw and snowflake, as if being a reactionary keyboard warrior is any different.
There is a difference between opinion and misconception/bandwagonning.
"Brie Larson and many like her are not oppressed, "
RIGHT HERE. RIGHT FUCKING HERE. This is where you fall into the category I described because it tells me you did not read, listen to, or comprehend Brie's words. She said nothing about oppression. She also said nothing about politics as you referenced before this.
She spoke about movie marketing, and critic demographics versus audience demographics. That is all.
So yes, you are bandwagonning along with the tribalistic groupthink.
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VIDEOSTOREVANDAL (313)
5 years ago
SHE IS WHITE.OBVIOUSLY SAYING BLACK CHICK WOULD BE WORSE...IM WHITE..WHITE DUDES ARE LAME...NOT RACIST.BUT HEY YOU HAVE A POINT....LETS JUST CHANGE HER WORDS AND MAKE HER RACIST.
YOU ARE STUPID AND SEXIST.
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