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Remember when we used to get good movies like True Lies


Now we get this Mung of a movie

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And yet there were lame movies back then that everyone loved too. Flintstones and Speed were both very popular and came out the same year as True Lies. Those two movies sucked. People like what they like. Every year has its share of bad movies doing well.
Personally, I thought Cpt Marvel was a bad movie with a few cool parts. 4/10

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The 21st Century so far has had nothing but Bad Movies doing well

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Speed sucked? In what universe is Speed considered a bad movie?

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Dennis Hopper is great in Speed!

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Thank you! I loved Speed and it's funny because it came out around the same time as True Lies and I remember liking Speed way more.

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Speed is awesome wtf are you saying?

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I agree Speed was so awesome it suckered me in to going to see Speed 2 Cruise Control

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You know now that i'm thinking about it Speed 2:Cruise Control sucked because the man was gone and the Woman was in his place. Damn and i thought i never got dupped by any of this.

Well Hollywood there's an old saying in Tennessee "Fool me once shame on....Shame on you....If you fool me can't be fooled again"

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Trolling is original, unique and creative. You're totally not blandly parroting the exact styles and strategies copied by thousands of others. You totally don't sound indistinguishable from the other trolls, and it totally doesn't give the impression of an ultraconformist hive mind mentality.

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Didn't you copy and paste this from another post?

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Trolling is original, unique and creative. You're totally not blandly parroting the exact styles and strategies copied by thousands of others. You totally don't sound indistinguishable from the other trolls, and it totally doesn't give the impression of an ultraconformist hive mind mentality.

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AnubisRaydeen Speed 1 sucked to you? Are you on drugs lol? Yeah there were bad movies in the 20th century for sure but not nearly as much as you're seeing nowadays....standards seem very low these days and it's somehow making big money.

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Lol, looks like I kicked the hornet's nest.
Sorry to trample on common opinion but, yes, Speed sucked. Hopper was all it had going for it (and he was good). It started off pretty cool but quickly turned stupid. Need I remind you of the bus jump? There are worse movies but the best I can give Speed is 5/10. It is in that same category as Cliffhanger and Equalizer. Looks good and nearly is but ultimately sunk by going too far with the liberties taken against sense. Jan de Bont makes bad movies. Speed was just slick enough to disguise itself as something more. (I'll give de Bont credit for some of his productions, though)

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I ageee the bus jump pushed it to far but I loved everything else about it.

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Yeah the bus jump was bullshit but it was still fun! I do think it's better than Cliffhanger and Equalizer though.

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Speed is a fun popcorn movie and enjoyable enough but it's not the kind of movie I would ever watch a second time. It did have some suckiness and cheap thrills (the baby carriage full of cans is a prime example).

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Lol! Oh Wotan blind me! I forgot about that scene.

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You forgot the number 2 after "Speed".

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Speed is awesome! What the hell are you talking about?

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True Lies was a fun action romp that is not too far removed form comic movies and the like. Let's not pretend it was high art.

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I said good movies not high art. Tommy Wiseau's The Room is high art and it stinks

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How is True Lies a much better movie than every movie that has premiered since the year 2000?

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Did you see that Jamie Lee Curtis Strip Scene?

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It was indeed hot.

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Well you aint ever gonna see it on Blu Ray because Captain Save a Hoe erm i mean Captain Marvel says that movie is naughty.

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True Lies is widely available on all formats.

And Jason Patric took over from Keanu Reeves in Speed 2 and was 'the man'.

Numbnuts...

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At this point, True Lies is the James Cameron movie that James Cameron doesn't want you to see. 25 years after it's intial release, the movie has never been released on Blu Ray or remastered for High Definition TVs, and the only way you can stream it is by getting a subscription to Cinemax.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/captain-marvel-true-lies-blockbuster-james-cameron.html

True Lies is going bye bye

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I have it on DVD.

So why do you assume Cameron does not want it released on hi dad formats? Where is your evidence for this.?

Is the same also true of The Abyss?

Cameron just takes his time...always has.

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Roguemail Yeah and that "DVD" has not been remastered for the 21st century(it looks like shit!), in fact it's actually just the old LD transfer(look it up, same with Abyss) and slapped on a non anamorphic DVD.....it's pure trash and no respect has been given to that film on any modern home media formats. He keeps saying he's going to remaster those films for blu ray and 4K but never does it. It's all talk.

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And the True Lies scene in Captain Marvel pretty much all but assures they are gonna scrub True Lies from the History Books because Arnold spyed on his wife and has unlikable muslim villians both of which are very naughty and we need Captain Save-a-hoe ermm i mean Captain Marvel to save us.

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Not blu ray....not yet at least.

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And I am not disagreeing with you that True Lies and Abyss need to be properly remastered and released, but I don't think tnere is any reason Cameron does not want to people to see it.

If that we're the case it would not be available on any format.

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Read the damn article!!!

https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/captain-marvel-true-lies-blockbuster-james-cameron.html

i can't make it clickable so if you must just google "Captain Marvel True Lies" and you will see the SJW's don't want you to watch True Lies because its racist and sexist and John Cameron's ashamed of it so you can imagine what a pile of SJW excrement that Terminator:Dark Fate will be.

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Yeah...I read the article.. just some random person voicing their opinion.

The sad part is that you buy into this stuff and accept it as some sort of truth.

It isn't.

Like I said elsewhere...deluded.

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He buys into a lot of things people tell him.


He's easily swayed by carnival barkers.

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Yeah and it's also the only peoples opinion Hollywood is worried about SJW opinions. I highly doubt you see a True Lies release until this PC Police World goes away but hey maybe i'm wrong i never thought Donald Trump would beat Hillary but here we are.

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Roguemail It may not even be up to Cameron to release True Lies on blu ray since Disney owns Fox now and probably doesn't want that movie to get any exposure in this current SJW society. They probably want to bury it lol.

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Have you got any evidence for any of the above apart from just 'probably'?

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So all I'm seeing here is that any movie with a female lead (Captain Marvel, Spped 2) sucks because the woman is in charge (your words. Speed 2 sucked for a whole lot of other reasons) and that the part of True Lies you mention is where the woman strips.

Someone has a real problem anytime a woman in not in a sexualized roles, I see. Not at all surprising. I guess you'd prefer "Barefoot and Pregnant In the Kitchen....the Movie!"

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The strip scene reference was a joke because someone asked me "How is True Lies better than every movie released since the year 2000?"

I'm sure Captain Marvel would have been a decent film if it was released in the 90's instead of spitting vicious spew at the 90's and how exactly is Captain Marvel not a sexualized role? It's a hot chick running around in a skin tight outfit in a movie for Virgin Comic Fans.

I don't have a problem with women in lead roles, i'm not gonna watch it just like i haven't watch any other movies that came out since the 40 year old virgin/Harold and Kumar days but i don't have a problem with it but any feminist dribble that forces its way into movies for 90's nerds just to attack 90's nerds will get my wrath

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So wait....you haven't watched any movies since 40 year old virgin? Yet you're motivated to post critical threads about things you actually have no knowledge of?

Really?

I'm not sure which is sadder, the people who are complaining about "SJW" nonsense or someone bitching about movies they have no intention of seeing. I guess I'll complain about Yugoslavian politics since I have no knowledge of it.

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you haven't even seen captain marvel so how do you know its not good?

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The year it was released starts with a 20 for starters

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Bosdog Pretty much LOOOL....2010's is the worst decade for everything!

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People think i'm just a cranky old man but i'm only 34 everything really does just suck

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Which explains your viewpoints on the Trump board. He appeals to that mindset.

I bet you think those airplanes are just too darned complicated like he does, right?

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Everybody knows your modern movies are trash. Trump said alot of things but Ultimately his rant on Ghostbusters 2016 was what got him elected

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BWA-HA-HA!!!! Oh, yeah....THAT'S what got him elected.


BUFFOON!!!!

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Captain Marvel is better than True Lies.

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I respect your opinion, and that you very likely have developmental disabilities. You're here, using a computer or smartphone - must be a bit of a challenge. I respect that.

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maul Nah, I can't respect opinions that are that shitty lol....that's just me. Anybody who thinks this movie is better than True Lies is either mentally handicapped, a feminist soy boy, or was born after 2005 lol.

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No, I don't have development disabilities. I have no problem using a computer and smartphone. As a matter of fact, I'm a senior technical advisor that helps other people with their computers and smart phones.

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Allaby HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that's a nice joke! Wait....you were just joking right?!

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No, not a joke.

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True Lies wasn't a very good movie. I'd much rather watch Captain Marvel again than rewatch True Lies.

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FilmBuff That's because you have no taste.....FACT.

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If you think True Lies is a great film, perhaps it's you who has no taste? Or maybe our taste in films is different? True Lies was over-the-top campy at times, made the audience suspend its disbelief too often, and I don't like goofy humor like that.

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FilmBuff Nope....it's just you with zero taste and the reason why most action films are just political propaganda nowadays instead of just entertainment like movies should be or used to be because people like you keep giving them money and supporting this crap. True Lies is intentionally over the top and campy.....that's the whole fucking point of it lol! You just didn't get it! It's an action comedy....Captain Drivel is intentional feminist SJW propaganda that's about social politics and takes itself way too seriously for what it actually is, not art/filmmaking or entertainment. It's just a fucking comic book film! Why does it need to pander to social politics and ugly, butthurt feminazis.....why? True Lies didn't do that and didn't give a fuck about "offending" anybody or pandered to SJW safe spaces. There's a big difference here and it's not just taste either. This movie was made for an agenda.....not true Hollywood filmmaking. It's a piece of ultra leftist trash and doesn't belong in film, let alone a goofy ass Marvel film lol. Also, you mentioned "suspension of disbelief".....uh, Captain Marvel is about a super hero! I think it takes a far bigger effort to suspend disbelief while watching a Marvel film than True Lies which is still possible despite it being over the top: Terrorists and Jihadists do exist, the CIA does exist, Secret agents do exist, …..Captain Marvel and super heroes do not exist, what is your fuckin' point lol? That's a pretty poor argument right there. True Lies has a 7.2 on IMDB and this stupid site, Captain Marvel is 6.6 and probably will get much lower as time goes on.....so True Lies seems to be doing something better than your precious Marvel film.

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I think Captain Marvel is no more than a reasonably entertaining comic book movie, and nothing else.

I don't buy into all the agenda-pushing and feminist stuff that the film is credited with. I think that has nothing to do with the movie and I never got that vibe when watching the movie.

All that nonsense is stirred up OUTSIDE of the movie by various factions and campaigns.

And it's telling that most of the people telling us not to go and see the movie because of all this nonsense , especially Brie Larsons apparent 'man hating' comments have not actually seen the movie.

So effectively these people are buying into all this stuff and staying away from the movie, regardless of whether these things are even true. Which they clearly are not.

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Nah, the propaganda is in the trailers and it's very obvious what they are trying to push with it. Also take in the fact they casted(out of all the actress they could've casted instead) a left wing ultra feminist SJW to lead their film....you think an agenda has nothing to do with it? That's pretty naïve. I've talked to others who have seen the film and they all say otherwise to what you're claiming.....maybe you just see things differently IDK?

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Nope, I am still going to disagree.

I didn't see any feminist agenda being pushed either in the trailer or the movie.

I would not know anything about Larsons politics or agenda as I don't read that sort of stuff or watch those sort of programmes/broadcasts etc.

And I don't feel the need to, and therefore I enjoy the movie for what it is with no preconceptions.

You may call it naive, but I don't feel it necessary to be aware of politics and agendas before watching a movie.

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No agenda in the trailer, then you are blind.

"HER"o instead of hero or heroin, there's one that was in the trailer, so their goes your entire argument immediately, shall i continue to show what you didn't or don't want to see.

The entire advertising was agenda driven, even Fiege has recently come out and said as much, the director's also said this would be a feminist driven movie.

So you think it's ok for someone like Brie Larson to say sexist and racist comments but be allowed to get away with it because she is a white woman. If a man had said those same things about a woman they would have be lynched and literally run out of town. It was on her own twitter account she cannot hide it. But we have to protect the waman at all costs, we cannot criticize without being called sexist, your opinion if it is negative will be deemed as sexist.

Call it whatever you want it's agenda over story, idiology over entertainment. Even the actress is a straight up in your face femnist that at every turn attacks men.

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If you honestly believe that then you are simply deluded.

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What's delusional about the truth.

Everything i wrote happened, is a known fact and can't be bent or dissuade in any way, that's what facts are, that is why they trump feelings or opinions.

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There is no 'truth' here.

All of these ridiculous stories about Larsons man-hating comments, Disney's agenda etc have all been misquoted, misrepresented and blown out of all proportion.

People make generally innocuous comments and the media go wild with speculation about what they think it all means, and they then run shock/horror/sensationalist stories to get people like you to take notice.

And you fall for it every time. You were given a brain, and the capacity to question what is put in front of you. Try doing that once in a while, eh?

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Nothing has been blown out of proportion. I give you the reverse example from Brie Larson's quote;

"i don't need no 40 year old black dude to tell me about "insert any white cast movie", it was not made for you", you would be called racist without question, no argument.

So how is Brie Larson comments misquoted, misrepresented or blown out of proportion, i know why because it is against white men becuase that is fair game and cannot be racist because racsim only works one way, i forgot about that.

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Why don't you give me Brie Larsons actual quote instead?

And the actual quote, not filtered through other websites and interpreted to suit their agenda.

And no, please don't tell me to search for it. You need to convince me that you are not talking crap, you are the one making these ridiculous claims.

Balls in your court dude...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9WLj9mMhs

took 10 seconds to find

Also remember if you are going to try to prove someone wrong it is actually you who has to prove me wrong not the other way around. I told you the truth, you then said i was false and misinformed. The proof of burden then falls upon you because you have made the claim. If you are gonna call someone out make sure you are right in the first place otherwise like now you will look very foolish.

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Well the question still stands...show me a video where she says in her speech she hates white men? Because I ain't seeing it.

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Of course, typical reply to move the goalposts.

You asked for the quote, their it is, plain as day, from herself.

I put the question if someone replaced white with black they would be immedately called a racist but Brie Larson can say that and it is ok because it is against white men which is fair game these days. But of course go ahead and change the argument to suit your needs that's what SJW's do.

Also, what question still stands, please tell me where i mentioned the word "hate", you wanted the quote, again their it is.

Stop moving the goalposts and changing the argument.

And just for posterity here is your reply incase you decide to edit it.

"Why don't you give me Brie Larsons actual quote instead?
And the actual quote, not filtered through other websites and interpreted to suit their agenda.
And no, please don't tell me to search for it. You need to convince me that you are not talking crap, you are the one making these ridiculous claims.
Balls in your court dude..."

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Well for a start you shared a link which only shows part of the speech she gave...notably a link which leaves out the 3 times she clearly says she does NOT hate white men.

Try this link instead...again its edited but its far more complete than the one you provided, which was clearly designed to wind up people like yourself...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_DNrV6izw

In a way I pity you. You seem to be one of those people who allows themselves to be easily manipulated and wound up by people who target you with these skewed, edited and factually dubious versions of the truth...and you simply don't have the basic common sense to question it, or at least try to find out what the original quote/story was, rather than allowing people to push your anger buttons so easily.

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You keep using the word hate, who said hate, i didn't., i said agenda.

Is what she said sexist and racist, the answer is yes, so why is she getting a free pass. If the word white was changed to black their would be hell on, twitter would explode. Nothng is happening because she is a rich white woman, the most privaliged protected race/gender ever in human history. Again if a white male actor had said, "I don't need a 40 year old black woman to tell me what i didn't like about "insert movie", it wasn't made for you". He would been forced to apologise, probably have movies stopped because of it., be called sexist, mysogernistic and so on. But it's ok as it is a white woman.

Did she say it, yes she did, that is not skewed, not edited, she said it.

Again who said hate you keep pushing as your argument, i certainly haven't, so it is pointless to keep repeating it.

The quote she said is their clear as day, why defend what she said, it's racist and sexist and to be honest misandrist. By defending her you agree wth her.

I am more than happy to defend my point of view but stop trying to change or move the goalposts to fit your argument, the word hate was never used by me.

I'l repeat Cpatain Marvel is a straight up agenda driven movie. That has been confirmed by the director's, the acrtress herself even Kevin Feige has stated it but yeh i remember you can't use Google so you belive what you are told. The exact same thing you are saying to me, see how that works but my opinion will be seen as alt-right, sexist and what ever "ism" is thrown about but your opinion because you agree with the access media is fine.

Remember anything negative is seen as trolling no matter if you give facts, it is still trolling.

I watched your link, change everything she says to black and we wouldn't be having this conversation, why is it ok for her to say that but anything else is deemed racist.

That's the last i say as i'm going round in circles and you keep trying to change the narratve of the argument. Have a nice day.

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Agreed. Keep in mind the OP believes pro-wrestling's storylines are an intelligent reflection of mankind.

"Wrestling is smarter than you give it credit for and you can see the true nature of mankind reflected in the history of pro wrestling as pro wrestling itself is merely a reflection of mankind."

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Hollywood Hogan when he was the leader of the New World Order had a bitter conflict with his nephew Horace the same way the Egyptian God of War Set had a conflict with his nephew Horus of the eye of Horus for control over the Kingdom and there are many other examples of hidden meanings like this in Wrestling History, You just don't have the smarts to decipher any of it if it was right in your face.

I mean really think about that Hulk Hogan the blonde haired man superior to most men representative of the Aryan race becomes the leader of the New World order and has a conflict with his nephew "Horace" in a storyline that parraells The Egyptian God of War Set's conflict with his nephew "Horus" over control of the Kingdom. It's all very illuminati and Pro Wrestling is their space to play all this out under a guise of theatrics which throws off little pions like you.

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Or how about the late 80's tag team "The Twin Towers" who were represented by the Big Boss Man who represents the Police State and Akeem who represents the Muslim brotherhood that ultimately led to the storyline of "The Mega Powers Explode"?

I know all this is way over your head and thats why you spend your time watching movies like well Captain Marvel while i spend my time studying and pieceing together the media's predictive programming

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Politics itself is not too different from Pro Wrestling. Trump has always been a pro wrestling fan and understands how wrestling works and how to get the people behind you as a Heel or Bad Guy and his wrestling knowledge of how to control people's minds to win over a crowd with heel tactics took him all the way to the White House beating a Clinton along the way which is absolutely incredible.

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True Lies: 10/10
Cpt Marvel: 4/10

I wanted to like CM. Even the absurd notion that it was the first female led hero film did not deter me me. It was simply a poorly written and directed film with mostly empty performances. Some stuff was good though.

I would never watch CM again. I've watched TL at least 10 times.

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Finally......someone on here who likes True Lies!

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Dude, we may disagree about Speed but we ride in the same posse for TL! True Lies is one of the greats. Better than more than half of the 007 movies and nearly perfect in my mind. My one big complaint is the machine-gun-down-the-stairs but that's it. Perfectly paced, high octane action, funny, romantic and a brilliantly iconic end with the leads kissing with a nuclear cloud behind them.
What's with CM shooting Arnie's head off the standie?

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Yep.….those days are loooooong gone.

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I liked Captain Marvel and True Lies. I will admit I like True Lies more. I am a sucker for Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. I own most of his films on DVD. The only dumb thing in Captain Marvel was how Nick Fury lost his eye.

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I probably prefer Captain Marvel to True Lies but they are both very entertaining movies. When it comes to cheesy Arnie movies my favourite is probably Commando, I love that film (the Terminator movies are obviously superior films though).

Neither move (CM or TL) are particularly agenda or issue driven movies. They're just entertainment. Some people are so wedded to their agendas that they will see it everywhere, whether it's there or not. Their loss really, as they miss out on a fine film.

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